Christianity

[attofishpi]

"GOD IS NOT all-loving - would an all loving GOD state it may burn you in HELL forever?"

But you can't even be some-loving when you do shit like that.

It doesn't do "shit like that", but it has two sides and when GOD does evil to you it's rather awful to say the least, so be a good boy.

In fact, even if you tally up all the cancer cures and mortgage loans and new successful careers god got for people, it still doesn't put a dent in the amount of misery being experienced in this world... and to still want to have anything to do with this god after knowing that is simply obscene.

I have no idea what u r talking about.

You just remember this, you wanker.

Have you hacked my security cameras?

Every time you pop the top off a Foster's after a hard day at the office

Australians don't drink Fosters, the English in England do (*i think, although the novelty has probably worn off) - Englishmen tend to prefer ales.

U need to be a budwiser. <-- NZ accent works best for that.

..some poor kid is being ripped from his mother's arms in a tsunami somewhere.

Well, thank GOD he was poor. Imagine if he was rich and looked forward to getting home to play on his XBox..

..point is, Tsunamis arn't happening every day, somewhere. GOD snatches souls out prior to great suffering, rebirth reincarnation boo boom! woopi doo, besides, maybe the kid deserved it via his actions in the prior life.

Fortunately, this god doesn't exist... but if it did, you sonsabitches would worship the thing, wouldn' ya?

I don't worship anything or anyone. But know all atheists are wrong.

[attofishpi]

1] Why Does God Allow Suffering?

The problem of suffering is one of the most enduring questions atheists ask Christianity Explored notes. If God is all-loving and all-powerful,

Easy answer, GOD IS NOT all-loving - would an all loving GOD state it may burn you in HELL forever?

2] What Proof Do You Have God Exists?

..getting there (* allow up to two years)

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3] Why Are There So Many Religions If There’s Only One Truth?

Man's interpretation and interaction with the DIVINE GOD through time in various cultures around the world formed many religions, this does not change the fact that GOD exists. It's the same GOD, just interpreted differently by mankind.

4] Why Do Religious Texts Contain Contradictions?

Because, fallible man has written them based on their subjective experiences.

5] Why Is Morality Often Tied to Religion?

Because, people that believe GOD is not watching them, will often act according to their desires (*rape, murder, gangs etc.. delinquency)

6] How Do You Reconcile Science and Religion?

GOD is an intelligence that operates below the Planck scale, imperceptible, even to CERN. Only perceptible, to some of those of faith via Divine interaction (*moi).

7] Why Do Miracles Seem So Selective?

Atheists often ask why miraculous events are so selective, often occurring in ways that defy scientific validation. If God can intervene in human affairs, why are miracles seemingly reserved for certain people or circumstances?

I guess without faith one doesn't get to witness them. GOD did request FAITH FIRST.

8] What Makes Your Religion The “Right” One?

Most people inherit their faith based on where they’re born or the family they’re raised in.

Sure, if GOD exists, then it had you born into the faith you karmically deserved based on your previous life. IF you are WISE in this, your current life to analyse your religion and compare to others, then perhaps in your next life, you will be born into the faith that you most reasonably analysed to be closer to knowing GOD.

9] Do You Ever Doubt Your Faith?

Yep, and since knowing GOD exists I often do_u_BT its intentions in relation to me.

10] Why Do Prayers Often Go Unanswered?

Absolutely, and thank GOD! Imagine what a screwed up pile of circumstances could occur other_wise.

11] Why Does The Bible Have Harmful Ideas?

Atheists frequently question why religious texts often mirror the societal values and norms of the time they were written.

Bible? I don't BUY BULL ---> I don't accept ALL of it as coming from GOD, much is man's bigotry etc.. Stuff attributed to Jesus the Christ I tend to believe because it pertains to LOVE & TRUST.

12] Why Do Some Religious Leaders Fail to Live by Their Teachings?

Because they're human. I believe sometimes paedophile atheists become priests. Such fools.

13] How Does The Afterlife Influence Your Actions in This Life?

The concept of an afterlife shapes how many believers view their time on Earth. For atheists, this life is the only one they know they have, so they focus on making the most of it.

"Make the most of it"...a heck of a lot of atheists get involved in gangs, rape, murder etc.. BECAUSE, they don't believe anyone beyond man can deal JUST_ICE

14] Is Your Mission To Convert Non-believers To Your Religion?

Nope, my mission is full of hedonism with a big dose of altruism. However, on that journey I'd like to provide evidence for those that seek esoteric knowledge required for faith, what they need to have them consider things from a different perspective.

15] What Role Does Community Play In Your Faith?

None. Christians tend to be boring (*apart from me of course).

16] How Should Atheists Approach Discussions About Faith?

With an open mind, and agree to everything I have stated here..

or else

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[Greatest I am]

I see todays Christian right obeying immoral rules as they pertain to LGBTQ+.

That aside.

..the --> TQ+ and onwards gets me confused so forget that rubbish.

The LGB - part, what is immoral about that in accordance with what Christ stated? Indeed, find scripture for me.

Whenever I as any Christian to talk morals they run away.

Are you a Christian?

If you are game, I would like to discuss both the messianic concept of Jesus and his use of Armageddon.

Both are quite immoral, given that the ones has us choosing to punish the innocent instead of the guilty and the other has Jesus killing when he said he comes to cure the ill, not kill them/us.

I do have arguments as well as opinions. Perhaps you also have some.

I aqm

I think there is lots of nonsense in the Bible and there is a lot of Truth within it. The opening lines of Genesis, nonsense --> imo reason, to make people of our current state of knowledge, that is people of NOW comprehend such thinks as A.I. ,mere switching the light on, "let there be light" etc..

Thus, Mount SINAI --> SIN_AI (*where we got the commandments from SIN, and comprehension of an all knowing intelligence A.I.)
https://www.androcies.com/Images/Art/Mount%20Sinai.jpg

I am a Gnostic Christian and loyal heretic.

Again, I wish to debate the immoral nature of what Christians think is moral. Armageddon and the messianic concept.

Any game for such a chat?

[attofishpi]

I see todays Christian right obeying immoral rules as they pertain to LGBTQ+.

That aside.

..the --> TQ+ and onwards gets me confused so forget that rubbish.

The LGB - part, what is immoral about that in accordance with what Christ stated? Indeed, find scripture for me.

Whenever I as any Christian to talk morals they run away.

Are you a Christian?

If you are game, I would like to discuss both the messianic concept of Jesus and his use of Armageddon.

Both are quite immoral, given that the ones has us choosing to punish the innocent instead of the guilty and the other has Jesus killing when he said he comes to cure the ill, not kill them/us.

I do have arguments as well as opinions. Perhaps you also have some.

I aqm

I think there is lots of nonsense in the Bible and there is a lot of Truth within it. The opening lines of Genesis, nonsense --> imo reason, to make people of our current state of knowledge, that is people of NOW comprehend such thinks as A.I. ,mere switching the light on, "let there be light" etc..

Thus, Mount SINAI --> SIN_AI (*where we got the commandments from SIN, and comprehension of an all knowing intelligence A.I.)
https://www.androcies.com/Images/Art/Mount%20Sinai.jpg

I am a Gnostic Christian and loyal heretic.

Again, I wish to debate the immoral nature of what Christians think is moral. Armageddon and the messianic concept.

Any game for such a chat?

Sure, once I've done some research later today (my time)..

[Greatest I am]

attofishpi

I look forwards to your results.

Please give an apology with your opinion.

[attofishpi]

attofishpi

I look forwards to your results.

Please give an apology with your opinion.

What would I have to apologise for?


How about answering my earlier question (*the red bit):-

I see todays Christian right obeying immoral rules as they pertain to LGBTQ+.

That aside.

..the --> TQ+ and onwards gets me confused so forget that rubbish.

The LGB - part, what is immoral about that in accordance with what Christ stated? Indeed, find scripture for me.

[iambiguous]

atto,

Before we move on to the answers you provided to the questions above, let's get back my post above. Why? Because, in my view, you need to steer clear of the points I raise there. Why? Because, in my view, I suspect a part of you recognizes just how threatening they are to your own frame of mind.

Well, unless, of course, I'm wrong. And God knows [if there is one] I want to be.

Your theory? What about the part where you intertwine your conjectures and speculations regarding God -- i.e. stuff you believe about Him "in your head" up in the spiritual clouds -- and your own interactions with others in which conflicting goods unfold.

That's a strange ad hominem attack, because later in your post you indicate that you want to hear of anyone of faith that has had experiences of this GOD entity.

Well, if that's what you construe to be a personal attack, we'll just have agree to disagree regarding what that actually is.

I'm just trying to get a sense of how for all practical purposes God and religion play out in your interactions with others existentially. Again, less what you think about them and more what you can demonstrate to others about them such that they might be able to think the same.

..it's in development my friend..via artistic endeavour that this very entity FORCED me out of work to accomplish, if you are honest in your QUEST then allow me, just some random character on the internet, to finalise everything upon my website.

Just prior to a month off for travelling, the past week I am working on "GOD according to Androcies". *Androcies<-- the name, is explained within the document, an account of a mistake I made regarding Anrdocles - anyway, I was happy with my mistake and stuck with it. Androcies is an A.I. within my novel Alpha Two - have a read if you like near future dystopia and tech (cyberpunk).

The opening INTRO sentence to "GOD according to Androcies" is:
This document is intended to encapsulate my experiences since 1997, my analysis of those experiences and the result, my artistic output, here: www.androcies.com endeavours to project my analysis of our shared reality, REAL_IT_Y?

Note to others:

Please note how the above is relevant to this:

I'm just trying to get a sense of how for all practical purposes, God and religion play out in your interactions with others existentially [in the is/ought world]. Again, less what you think about them and more what you can demonstrate to others about them such that they might be able to think the same.

As for reincarnation, it's just more of the same for me. You broach it, make certain assumptions about it and never once offer any substantive/substantial evidence that it is in fact a crucial component of the human condition.

I understand that. With me iambiguous, always at least attempt to have a hypothetical approach as to what I am stating in relation to GOD. That is to say IF GOD exists then X seems rational or perhaps from your POV, no, still non sequitur, oui?

2005 sage indicated shortly after introduction of himself from the aether (covered in "GOD according to Androcies") that we do reincarnate to within families we deserve, karmically. I never quizzed that night about 666 incarnation, but it stands to reason don't you think? Why am I not a pig, but a human - why is the pig a pig and not a human???

In other words, as with any number of religionists, the "demonstration" seems to revolve almost entirely around what you believe "in your head" about God and religion and reincarnation.

GOD leaves people to their own actions. EVERYONE has been warned at least that there is some consequences to their actions IF GOD exists. (*problem for many is, IT does)

Which God though? Is it one worshipped and adored by any number of these folks -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions -- or is it ever and always your own?

I think we have already covered this. That GOD has interacted with certain wo/men throughout time and formed various religions. GOD remains unchanged, all that is different is MAN's interpretation of GOD.

Exactly. So, with moral commandments, immortality and salvation itself on the line many of these folks -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions --
-- will agree. Only it's their God not yours. And, for some, you are damned for all of eternity if you refuse to accept their assessment.

Even in regard to Christianity itself there are any number of particular interpretations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian ... orationism.

This is interesting since a few hours ago a Hindu uber driver stated pretty much the same thing, I was well impressed with him and his analysis.

Next time, invite him to post his argument here.

Regarding 'dasein', such as myself being brought up in a Roman Catholic School via my parents choosing. Yes, I think I was wiser than many of my schoolfriends that thought Christianity/GOD was a load of nonsense. Since, I considered IF there is a GOD, then perhaps it had my soul implanted into this family that would send me to the R.C. school and learn of this GOD entity. Turned out, faith did enable me to know GOD exists.

Okay, back then, how did you go about demonstrating that a God, the God, your God does in fact exist? In other words, beyond a leap of faith or a wager or what you might have read in one or another Scripture.

You are missing the point. Consider things from my intelligent POV. I have just been born into a faith system - at this point what you want is no where to be seen - this 'demonstrate a GOD your GOD bla bla' nonsense..

And, in my view, you still need to note day to day interactions with others that revolve around your own interpretation of God and religion.

No. The dasein of my existence from an intelligent analytical child mind that I has was merely, IF GOD EXISTS, then there could be great reason I was born within a Christian, R.C. upbringing.

And if He doesn't?

Thus, my analysus began.

Right. Your analysis.

Scientists admit that they could not even reproduce the artifact using today's technology.

On the other hand -- https://www.google.com/search?q=the+shr ... s-wiz-serp -- not everyone agrees.

And, again, there are countless ways a God, the God could make it unequivocally clear that He does in fact exist. So, why a Shroud? And even here an omnipotent God could have made the Shroud itself beyond dispute.

Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle from my frame of mind.

Don't use 'wiggle wiggle' on me, it pisses me off.

Then stop wiggling. Besides, I always acknowledge that my own interpretation of it is no less rooted existentially in dasein. It's merely a prejudice of mine. It's not like I can whip up the philosophical equivalent of "the scientific method" here in order to prove it.

And, again, unlike Jesus Christ who "as God in the flesh" was fully aware that Heaven [immortality/salvation] was right around the corner for Him, almost all the rest of us are left grappling with existential leaps of faith or wagers. Also, knowing that there are many, many other religious denominations "out there" who are quite adamant that only their own One True Path counts.

Hey, fellow which ever 'religious denomination' floats your boat so long as your boat is guided by your most rational analysis of something that just might be omnipotent, divine, and the paradox to life-LOVE.

I suspect however that, with so much at stake on both sides of the grave, you had better be certain that it's a boat, the boat, your boat that floats above all the others.

Christ went to his death stating we "LOVE & TRUST" Him and each other (this is my family crest - v important to me and should be important to all that have FAITH in what HE did to insist upon it)

Comprehend? or too proud?

What's that got to do with my point above? And then the part where you at least attempt to demonstrate empirically and experientially that this is true. Or, with you, does it all revolve around faith?

You want to believe that there is an omnipotent GOD, but scoff at what I know IS plausible with this entity. There is no point to this discussion.

In other words, since I have not come around yet to how you think about all of this, and you're convinced that I never will...?

Correct. And, more to the point as I stated above, I don't care.

That works for me. Then back to this:

What I truly do care about myself is in exploring God and religion with those who argue that what they do believe about them themselves "here and now" goes beyond a leap of faith, a wager or "because it says so in the Bible". They have either had personal experiences with a God, the God or they believe there really is substantive scientific and historical evidence. For IC, it is in regard to the Christian God, though for others it is in regard to another God altogether.

Is analysis of cumulative evidence scientific? How many times does a coin need to side, such that the evidence has cumulated enough to convince you - to at LEAST have Faith?

COIN_CIDENCE?

How much.

As always, when it comes to God and religion, I invite believers to explore these factors with me:

1] a demonstrable proof of the existence of your God or religious/spiritual path
2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?
3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in Gods and religious/spiritual faiths
4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God or religious/spiritual path[/quote]

How about it? You highlighted this part: "they have either had personal experiences with a God..."

I asked you above to note in more detail how these personal experiences unfolded for you. Also, for all practical purposes, how did the behaviors you choose change as a result of this? For me, all those years ago, becoming a Christian resulted in many changes.

How about your God?

Why do you say "my God"?

That hypothetical from you POV required again: IF GOD exists, it's all of our GOD.

Talk about "a general description spiritual contraption!" And if it's not your God above, whose God is it then?

[attofishpi]

atto,

Before we move on to the answers you provided to the questions above, let's get back my post above. Why? Because, in my view, you need to steer clear of the points I raise there. Why? Because, in my view, I suspect a part of you recognizes just how threatening they are to your own frame of mind.

Mate! Nothing "threatens" my frame of mind. KNOWING GOD exists is a 1 way trip, it cannot be undone by atheist nonsense.

All I can do is apply my most rational comprehension in answer to questions from atheists.

Well, unless, of course, I'm wrong. And God knows [if there is one] I want to be.

Wrong? Wrong about what. That GOD exists? YES, U & ALL ATHEISTS ARE WRONG.

I'm not going over your nonsensical replies to my statements again. (*not because I am wiggling, *not because they threaten me bla bla.. ...it's because they clearly lack the required degree of analytic reasoning on your part.)


Here's an example:

Note to others:

Please note how the above is relevant to this:

In other words, as with any number of religionists, the "demonstration" seems to revolve almost entirely around what you believe "in your head" about God and religion and reincarnation.

Where the else does "belief" belong if NOT in one's head? ffs.

[iambiguous]

atto,

Before we move on to the answers you provided to the questions above, let's get back my post above. Why? Because, in my view, you need to steer clear of the points I raise there. Why? Because, in my view, I suspect a part of you recognizes just how threatening they are to your own frame of mind.

Mate! Nothing "threatens" my frame of mind. KNOWING GOD exists is a 1 way trip, it cannot be undone by atheist nonsense.

All I can do is apply my most rational comprehension in answer to questions from atheists.

Well, unless, of course, I'm wrong. And God knows [if there is one] I want to be.

Wrong? Wrong about what. That GOD exists? YES, U & ALL ATHEISTS ARE WRONG.

I'm not going over your nonsensical replies to my statements again. (*not because I am wiggling, *not because they threaten me bla bla.. ...it's because they clearly lack the required degree of analytic reasoning on your part.)


Here's an example:

Note to others:

Please note how the above is relevant to this:

In other words, as with any number of religionists, the "demonstration" seems to revolve almost entirely around what you believe "in your head" about God and religion and reincarnation.

Where the else does "belief" belong if NOT in one's head? ffs.

Another wiggler bites the dust!

[attofishpi]

Another wiggler bites the dust!

What, because you repeat the same garbage over and over.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

U in a nutshell.

[iambiguous]

Another wiggler bites the dust!

What, because you repeat the same garbage over and over.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

U in a nutshell.

Absolutely shameless!

[attofishpi]

Another wiggler bites the dust!

What, because you repeat the same garbage over and over.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

U in a nutshell.

Absolutely shameless!

..far more intelligent & wise than U.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ucDiz3GYrg

[iambiguous]

What, because you repeat the same garbage over and over.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

U in a nutshell.

Absolutely shameless!

..far more intelligent & wise than U.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ucDiz3GYrg

Run that by, oh, I don't know...Maia?

[attofishpi]

..as usual I am knocking this atheist out of the oval 6's all the way.

Any of the intelligent atheists on the forum feel like addressing my replies to the MSN stuff above (that iambiguous posted)?

[promethean75]

"when GOD does evil to you it's rather awful to say the least, so be a good boy."

That's the wrong attitude to have, young man. Consenting to punishment and acknowledging a fear of god is the single most undignified thing you can do in life.

You can do what you want, mate. Pay no attention to God.