In as polite a manner as I could I tried to point out to Walker, and to encourage him to dialogue with me on the topic of Neoconservatism. One of his influences, and not without at least some good reasons, is Mark Levin. The more *unfortunate* side of Levin is that he is 1) a Neoconsoverative and 2) a Zionist. Note that by pointing out that he is a Zionist it makes it seem like this is a bad thing. I personally think it is a very questionable thing, and something that requires examination, but America today, if I can speak so generally, is dominated by a pro-Israel pro-Zionist perspective. And from my own perspective and background I know something of it because I grew up with it and to a degree in it.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:13 pm I find it to be very interesting that the Rabbi said that many non-religious Jews and Evangelical Christians support the criminal terrorist state of Israel. Having discussed with you before, I don't recall you as a non-religious Jew. However, you seem to be a supporter of the terrorist and pariah state of Israel, may I ask : are you an Evangelical Protestant Christian?
In my view, and taken generally and largely, Zionism is a destructive movement. It seems like it has been good, or resulted in good, but as we see now when the lid is ripped off one looks directly into an abyss of unsolvable problems that resulted from it. It is next to impossible to even imagine how they will be resolved. And that is why I make the assertion that Jewish history is not over. What I mean is that, for one reason of another, for a group of reasons, Jews and Jewish history have led them to an extremely difficult predicament. When I say this it is as a participant, not as an outsider.
My view of Walker -- he is not a Christian and he is not a Jew either (he is a post-Christian like so many, an entire topic unto itself) -- is that he is uniquely American in his outlook. His outlook seems to be informed by a set of people like Mark Levin. As such these people and their views and ideas can be examined from a critical perspective. I also submit that Neoconservatism, and the wars that they have encouraged, have resulted in an extremely heavy moral price that is being paid, even if unconsciously, by the nation itself. But I do not think that people can identify the ailment. They are the victims of it, it affects them at a psychic level, but they cannot see and identify what the cause is.
And Neoconservatism is deeply tied up into Jewish American and Israeli interests. This is a fact that everyone knows. It is not debatable. There is a profound problem -- a moral problem -- that revolves around America's association with the state of Israel. We need only examine what we are all embroiled in right now! It is so obvious.
There are a dozen different dimensions to the present political conflict. But not the least among them is that of Christian Zionism and its association with Jewish Zionism. Is the topic off-limits? Why? It is discussed fervently within Jewish and Israeli circles. Israel itself is in a social and political crisis that has a great deal to do with the issue and problem of Zionism. What, is this new information for the people who read here?!?
So things have come to a head. And each person who has an opinion, deals with an idea, or has feelings that connect with this issue, has been lit up by the intensity on-going. Or to use another metaphor they resonate as if they are vibrating strings. Some, like Veggie, resonate off the rails. Walker resonates with the talking points from the list of a Neocon.
I suggest that we have many different alternatives to how we view this crisis.
Finally, Evangelical Christian Zionism is a disease of the mind and of the soul (or spirit). It itself is a sickness. One gets it but that also implies that one can recover from it. It is a complex mental and spiritual disease but it can be sorted out by an individual. My interest is in examin ing what the medicines of recovery are.
It is unlikely, at this late point, that the Christian Zionist disease in America can be cured in time though. And this must also be understood. There is no alternative for responsible people.
And yes, you are a sociopath. Get over it.