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Hope not, that would be a terribly obvious mistake that's terribly easy to avoid. Just by looking at the words I've said, and not adding words I didn't say, it could be easily avoided.
Compatibilist free will. You're kinda, sorta creatively and causally active while, at the same time, you're kinda, sorta creatively and causally impotent and therefore are only kinda, sorta responsible.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:08 pmYeah sure, which is why I say the words "I believe in free will".
That he intuits self-responsibility? I certainly do take that as libertarian free will. He knows the buck starts and stops with him. That he sez I believe in free will? No. His notion of free will is not mine.
No. I really do think you're a libertarian free will. And I can't see how it's a mistake to point this out or treat you as such.
I've read your words. I think you're mistaken, just as you think I'm mistaken.Just by looking at the words I've said
Seems like there wasn't all that much point in you asking me about my intuition.
You don't understand what I was calling a mistake.henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:41 pmNo. I really do think you're a libertarian free will. And I can't see how it's a mistake to point this out or treat you as such.
Okay.
If you took the words I said, and interpreted them to think I mean that I believe in libertarian free will, that would be a mistake. That's what the exchange between phyllo and I was about. You started talking about how you believe that I'm "a libertarian free will", which has literally nothing to do with the words exchanged between phyllo and I, and is not what I was calling a mistake.
There was to me.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:50 pm Seems like there wasn't all that much point in you asking me about my intuition.
Did you learn something?henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:03 pmThere was to me.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:50 pm Seems like there wasn't all that much point in you asking me about my intuition.
I know this.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:02 pmIf you took the words I said, and interpreted them to think I mean that I believe in libertarian free will, that would be a mistake.
That's what I figured.That's what the exchange between phyllo and I was about
I take my jumping off points where I find them.You started talking about how you believe that I'm "a libertarian free will", which has literally nothing to do with the words exchanged between phyllo and I
I know.and is not what I was calling a mistake.
So you know you were saying irrelevant nonsense as if it was in response to the words exchanged between phyllo and I, and you posted it as if it was relevant... knowing it wasn't relevant.henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:07 pmI know this.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:02 pmIf you took the words I said, and interpreted them to think I mean that I believe in libertarian free will, that would be a mistake.
That's what I figured.That's what the exchange between phyllo and I was about
I take my jumping off points where I find them.You started talking about how you believe that I'm "a libertarian free will", which has literally nothing to do with the words exchanged between phyllo and I
I know.and is not what I was calling a mistake.
It was relevant, if only to me.
Yes, I'm sure.Fucking fascinating
Projection, I think.You obviously have no intention of moving any kind of conversation forward towards any understanding.
You could have decided not to waste time at any point. That's entirely up to you how long you'd like to keep wasting everyone else's time.henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:12 pmIt was relevant, if only to me.
Yes, I'm sure.Fucking fascinating
Are we done wasting time? Can we get back to the subject?
1- If necessitarianism holds, then: no, it's not up to me.