compatibilism

[phyllo]

Danger Will Robinson,

He's going to take that to mean libertarian free-will.

[Flannel Jesus]

Danger Will Robinson,

He's going to take that to mean libertarian free-will.

Hope not, that would be a terribly obvious mistake that's terribly easy to avoid. Just by looking at the words I've said, and not adding words I didn't say, it could be easily avoided.

[henry quirk]

Yeah sure, which is why I say the words "I believe in free will".

Compatibilist free will. You're kinda, sorta creatively and causally active while, at the same time, you're kinda, sorta creatively and causally impotent and therefore are only kinda, sorta responsible.

He's going to take that to mean libertarian free-will.

That he intuits self-responsibility? I certainly do take that as libertarian free will. He knows the buck starts and stops with him. That he sez I believe in free will? No. His notion of free will is not mine.

Hope not, that would be a terribly obvious mistake

No. I really do think you're a libertarian free will. And I can't see how it's a mistake to point this out or treat you as such.

Just by looking at the words I've said

I've read your words. I think you're mistaken, just as you think I'm mistaken.

I think you're a libertarian free will, you think I have compatibilist free will, biggy thinks we're all meat machines (disclaimers aside). We each think we're right and the other guy is wrong. This is SOP.

[Flannel Jesus]

Seems like there wasn't all that much point in you asking me about my intuition.

[Flannel Jesus]

Hope not, that would be a terribly obvious mistake

No. I really do think you're a libertarian free will. And I can't see how it's a mistake to point this out or treat you as such.

You don't understand what I was calling a mistake.

[henry quirk]

You don't understand what I was calling a mistake.

Okay.

[Flannel Jesus]

You don't understand what I was calling a mistake.

Okay.

If you took the words I said, and interpreted them to think I mean that I believe in libertarian free will, that would be a mistake. That's what the exchange between phyllo and I was about. You started talking about how you believe that I'm "a libertarian free will", which has literally nothing to do with the words exchanged between phyllo and I, and is not what I was calling a mistake.

You have to get your bearings on what the level of conversation is. Am I talking about a belief? Am I talking about your belief? Am I talking about your belief about what I believe? If you don't understand the nesting level of the conversation, you're going to rant about irrelevant stuff.

[henry quirk]

Seems like there wasn't all that much point in you asking me about my intuition.

There was to me.

[Flannel Jesus]

Seems like there wasn't all that much point in you asking me about my intuition.

There was to me.

Did you learn something?

[henry quirk]

If you took the words I said, and interpreted them to think I mean that I believe in libertarian free will, that would be a mistake.

I know this.

That's what the exchange between phyllo and I was about

That's what I figured.

You started talking about how you believe that I'm "a libertarian free will", which has literally nothing to do with the words exchanged between phyllo and I

I take my jumping off points where I find them.

and is not what I was calling a mistake.

I know.

[Flannel Jesus]

If you took the words I said, and interpreted them to think I mean that I believe in libertarian free will, that would be a mistake.

I know this.

That's what the exchange between phyllo and I was about

That's what I figured.

You started talking about how you believe that I'm "a libertarian free will", which has literally nothing to do with the words exchanged between phyllo and I

I take my jumping off points where I find them.

and is not what I was calling a mistake.

I know.

So you know you were saying irrelevant nonsense as if it was in response to the words exchanged between phyllo and I, and you posted it as if it was relevant... knowing it wasn't relevant.

Fucking fascinating.

Now I feel more vindicated than ever about what I said to iwannaplato. You obviously have no intention of moving any kind of conversation forward towards any understanding. Who knows what you're doing?

[henry quirk]

irrelevant nonsense

It was relevant, if only to me.

Fucking fascinating

Yes, I'm sure.

You obviously have no intention of moving any kind of conversation forward towards any understanding.

Projection, I think.

Anyway we done wasting time? Can we get back to the subject?

[Flannel Jesus]

irrelevant nonsense

It was relevant, if only to me.

Fucking fascinating

Yes, I'm sure.

Are we done wasting time? Can we get back to the subject?

You could have decided not to waste time at any point. That's entirely up to you how long you'd like to keep wasting everyone else's time.

[Flannel Jesus]

Danger Will Robinson,

He's going to take that to mean libertarian free-will.

Do you think he's aware he's trolling, or do you think he's doing it on accident somehow?

[henry quirk]

1- If necessitarianism holds, then: no, it's not up to me.

2- If libertarian free will holds, then: absolutely, it's up to me.

3- If compatibilism holds, then: kinda, sorta it's up to me and kinda, sorta it's not.

I, of course, go with 2. Surprisingly, so do you.