Lost in the flood of beliefs

[Walker]

Are you sure?
Did you get very far?

Yes, I am sure.
Yes, I have gone far.

So what. Are you sure you know what you're talking about? The reason I ask is because you often exhibit otherwise, that is, on the rare occasions when you are not being just an asshole.

In my extensive travels I've found that everywhere I go, there I am. Same person.

[Age]

Age, please take your narcissist know-it-all crap that you idiotically like to incessantly brag about somewhere else.

If you do NOT like to be Corrected, QUESTIONED, and/nor CHALLENGED OVER your ALLEGATIONS and/or CLAIMS here, in a philosophy forum, "lacewing", then I suggest that you take your False, Wrong, Inaccurate, DISTORTED, and/or Incorrect VIEWS and BELIEFS ELSEWHERE.

You are just a troll who clearly isn't aware enough to find a more suitable audience in space and time.

Oh I am pretty SURE that the ACTUAL audience, who IS LOOKING and OBSERVING OVER this philosophy forum, IS PERFECTLY SUITABLE.

[Age]

Age, please take your narcissist know-it-all crap that you idiotically like to incessantly brag about somewhere else. You are just a troll who clearly isn't aware enough to find a more suitable audience in space and time.

@Age

Yes even without reading your latest post I have to agree with Lacewing. You are interminable.

Okay.

[Age]

<<TYPICAL RAMBLING CRAP>>

I ignore 99% of your posts - I didn't read a word of the above CRAP. so why bother putting in so much effort with me?

Someone should take away your access to electricity.

Do you really think Age has a choice?

Are you asking whether Age has a choice of putting in so much effort with his posts (even though many people are ignoring him)?

WHY do SOME of 'you', people, think or imagine that just putting a few words on a screen in front of 'you' is so-called 'much effort'?

JUST EXPRESSING and USING WORDS is REALLY VERY QUITE SIMPLE, and EASY, INDEED.

Do you think his compulsion is unavoidable? Maybe he's just really addicted to constantly elevating himself above the human race. Maybe he gets off on it. Do people like that have a choice? I don't think your question is that simple to answer yes or no. What do you think the answer is (yes or no), and why?

ONCE AGAIN, as can be SEEN here, VERY CLEARLY, speaking ABOUT "others" was a VERY COMMON practice, among the elderly, BACK in those 'OLDEN DAYS'.

[Age]

You also said you didn't expect him to answer. You can't step on him... you're just avoiding your own dumb question.

Well if I said I didn't expect him to answer, I was mistaken, or likely made some typing mistakes, which I often do. I fully expect him to answer. He is intelligent, witty, and insightful.

I must not have thought it was dumb, whatever it is you're talking about, although by now I've forgotten the question thanks to your weaving, your bobbing, slippin' and slidin', twistin' and jivin.'

The question is, as I recall, is if can Age be other than what he has been, because Fish wants to know and he wants to see it demonstrated.

My God man you are good at kissing arse! I shall now proceed to answer what you insist was requiring a simple YES or NO..

<<TYPICAL RAMBLING CRAP>>

I ignore 99% of your posts - I didn't read a word of the above CRAP. so why bother putting in so much effort with me?

Someone should take away your access to electricity.

Do you really think Age has a choice?

Answer with a simple Yes or No:

So.

Q1: Do I really think Age has a choice about bothering to put so much effort in with me?

As can be CLEARLY SEEN here, ONCE MORE, 'these people', BACK THEN, REALLY did think or BELIEVE that just expressing a few words TOOK, SO MUCH EFFORT.

There is NOTHING much MORE SIMPLER and EASIER than to just EXPRESS a few 'thoughts'.

A: YES

Q2: Do I really think Age has a choice about someone taking away his access to electricity?
A: NO

[Age]

Why pick any story? Can't we function without a story?

No, not just any story. God and religion are deemed by many to be the story.

I don't care what many deem to be the story.

People represent a small fraction of this planet's history. What was their supposed god doing all that time? They don't care. They're making up stuff to suit themselves... which doesn't suit everyone.

EXACTLY LIKE "lacewing" makes up stuff to suit 'itself', which, obviously, does NOT suit everyone. Although "lacewing" 'TRIES' 'its' HARDEST to GET "others" to think THE SAME WAY and/or to FOLLOW and/or BELIEVE 'its' OWN MADE UP personal STUFF.

[Atla]

Oh I am pretty SURE that the ACTUAL audience, who IS LOOKING and OBSERVING OVER this philosophy forum, IS PERFECTLY SUITABLE.

HOW so? WHAT kind of AUDIENCE are you referring to here, EXACTLY? And are THEY OBSERVING OVER this forum NOW or in the FUTURE?

WILL you tell US? If NO, then WHY NOT?

[Age]

I wonder who gave him access to electricity *bastards*

Maybe if like minded people on the forum were to donate money towards buying Age a HUGE box of lego, we could get rid of him for a while?

Count me in!

What 'these people' are DISPLAYING here is more or less EXACTLY like WHAT HAPPENED when one was JUST TRYING TO EXPRESS 'its' VIEW about HOW ACTUALLY it is the earth that revolves around the sun, and NOT the other way AROUND, while the "others" were BELIEVING that 'they' KNEW MORE, and BETTER.

'These people', here, just like 'those people', back then, REALLY could NOT YET SEE, nor FATHOM, just HOW Truly LOST and CONFUSED 'they' ALL WERE in their OWN, CREATED, FLOOD of BELIEFS.

[Age]

Do we human beings just not raise our awareness long enough to recognize how much of our beliefs are built on endlessly recycled stories? The intent of many such stories being religious lures for the fearful. How many repetitions do we need to go through before we move on from it?

All of these reiterated stories from ancient to modern I see as nothing more than metaphors of power usually contained in paradigms of good and evil and the battles between them.

Yes... and threats about what will happen to you if you don't stay in line.

Well considering the IRREFUTABLE Fact that 'the ACTUAL threats' HAVE OCCURRED, and ARE CONTINUING TO OCCUR, just REINFORCES the how Truly DISTORTED the MISINTERPRETATION and False INFORMATION IS, EXACTLY. which 'you', adult human beings, have OBTAINED, and ARE CONTINUALLY EXPRESSING and SHARING, here

All the superhero bullshit now so popular whether they be machine-like or inflated humans are simply an instance of these ancient archetypes. Its modern version is merely a derivative or lesser incarnation from a super-entity called god and its mandatory structured belief into a more subsidiary version of machines, AI and genetically modified humans

It's still the same old story only one was meant for serious and mandatory belief while its more current version is consigned to the nether regions of entertainment only. Such, I think, may for many even take the place of abandoned religious rituals in its effect.

Interesting.

I don't pay much attention to the super-hero phenomenon...

Okay, which PARTLY EXPLAINS WHY 'you' ARE SO LOST IN, and FROM, the BELIEFS that 'you' DEARLY HOLD ONTO here.

probably for the same reasons I don't pay much attention to religion... or even, Age. Just a lot of people pretending to be uniquely superior. It's self-indulgent fantasy.

What can be CLEARLY SEEN here is ANOTHER PRIME example OF PROJECTION, itself, and ANOTHER False ACCUSATION and CLAIM.

[Age]

No, not just any story. God and religion are deemed by many to be the story.

I don't care what many deem to be the story.

People represent a small fraction of this planet's history. What was their supposed god doing all that time? They don't care. They're making up stuff to suit themselves... which doesn't suit everyone.

Once again, all I can do is to iterate the entirety of my post:

Pick a story:

1] God does exist. And with Him comes objective morality, immortality and salvation. This comforts and consoles you enormously.

And then all you have to do is to narrow your own leap of faith [wager] down to one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions

2] God does not exist. And with that comes an essentially meaningless and purposeless existence that ends in oblivion. This disturbs and distresses you enormously.

On the other hand, there are those secular/ideological paths that can "here and now" give your life meaning and purpose. As long as you come up with a way of accepting that when you do die you become nothing at all other than on your way back atomically and sub-atomically to star stuff.

And then, as with Carl Sagan, this comforts and consoles you?

You might not care what others think about the "God story", but even now events may well be unfolding in the Middle East that precipitate a catastrophic escalation in a conflict that revolves almost entirely around the God fanatics. And that it's the same God doesn't seem in the least pertinent to these extremists.

'you', human beings, ARE ABSOLUTELY FREE TO CHOOSE, and TO DO, ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' 'you' WANT, LIKE, and/or DESIRE.

If 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, REALLY DO WANT TO GO and KILL "yourselves", and/or DIE TRYING, then, BY ALL MEANS, GO ON and DO 'it'. ABSOLUTELY NO one HERE is going to STOP 'you'.

"US warns of 'elevated risk' of war spreading in Middle East" CNN

"Israel has 'crossed the red lines' in Gaza, which 'may force everyone to take action,' Iran's President Ebrahim Raisi said Sunday."

[Age]

You might not care what others think about the "God story", but even now events may well be unfolding in the Middle East that precipitate a catastrophic escalation in a conflict that revolves almost entirely around the God fanatics. And that it's the same God doesn't seem in the least pertinent to these extremists.

"US warns of 'elevated risk' of war spreading in Middle East" CNN

"Israel has 'crossed the red lines' in Gaza, which 'may force everyone to take action,' Iran's President Ebrahim Raisi said Sunday."

If you had an ounce of intelligence you'd under_stand it's got very little to do with people(s) belief in God.

So, what has 'it' got to do WITH, EXACTLY, if 'it' has only got VERY LITTLE to do WITH 'you', people's, BELIEF in God?

The MAIN REASON FOR 'it' IS 'your' BELIEF in God.

[Age]

Woteva makes you happy Walker.

I trust you have the capacity to "grok" the positive relevance of this link to our discussion.

Runaway train MANNY'S SPEECH (HD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyoC_MRaAQ

Question: Manny says he wishes he could. Why can’t he?
Answer: His attachment to his self-concept doesn’t allow it, and everything he does is to maintain his self-concept. Self-concept is the motive force for everyone's actions, from the most insignificant to the most significant. Self-concept is the silent advisor.

YET there is NOT a one of 'you' who has A True Self-concept, as ALL of 'you' STILL do NOT YET KNOW what the ANSWER TO the QUESTION, 'Who AM 'I'?', correct?

EACH and EVERY one of 'you' could have SOME 'self-concept', but ALL of 'you' could be Wrong, Inaccurate, AND Incorrect. Which would MEAN that the so-called 'silent advisor' is LEADING 'you' in the VERY Wrong, Inaccurate, AND Incorrect DIRECTION.

WHEN, and IF, ANY of 'you' ALSO COME TO DISCOVERING and KNOW WHO and WHAT thy True Self IS, EXACTLY, then 'you' WILL ALSO SEE and RECOGNIZE what the ACTUAL True, Right, Accurate, AND Correct DIRECTION and PATH IS, EXACTLY, IN Life.

*
What I see in the link is:

If Manny’s silent advisor rather than some external boss had told him to get it shiny clean he might have had a chance in society rather than being caged off like an animal for refusing to compromise, but to shiny clean his life he would have had to own the shiny clean for himself, and not just because it was expected by someone else ... which is in part what explains the driving force that set the standard for Apple Products, manifested as Steve Jobs.

What do you see? Anything worth writing about?

[Age]

Woteva makes you happy Walker.

It's why I write here. It's my practice afforded by the conditions that define this existence here, to say just the way things are

Do you imagine that your idea of the way things are is anything more than your own trip through this wonderland?

Do 'you', "lacewing", imagine that 'your' idea of the way things are is anything more than 'your' OWN trip through this wonderland?

[Age]

Take some responsibility and go write your own dumbass essays about why you're like you are.

Okay. I did as you suggested. I wrote my own dumbass essays, adapted to dialogue. I did so with a happy spirit, as you also suggested with your emoji.

So now, take some responsibility for the consequences of your demands, and pay back. Praytell, what do you see in the above link ... and in this case neither of us is following your lead with a prejudgment of whatever you might write, or not.

Hmmm?

I'm not interested in viewing any links you post... as I've told you before. I consider you to be rather demented, and your sources severely skewed, so it makes no sense for me to invest energy in viewing things that you think are compelling or of interest. It's enough that I interact with your own words here from time to time.

Here we have AGAIN ANOTHER PRIME example of 'CONFIRMATION BIAS' AT WORK and AT PLAY.

'This one' will, literally, NOT even consider just VIEWING, LOOKING AT, and/or DELVING INTO absolutely ANY 'thing' that "another" thinks IS COMPELLING, or even OF INTEREST, BECAUSE of SOME ALREADY GAINED and HELD ONTO PRECONCEPTION, and PRESUMPTION.

A PRIME example of one who IS BEING COMPLETELY DEAF, BLIND, AND CLOSED is PRESENTED here in 'its' PUREST FORM.

AGAIN, talk ABOUT one being COMPLETELY and UTTERLY LOST IN, and BECAUSE OF, their OWN STRONGLY HELD ONTO and FIXED BELIEFS.

[Sculptor]

Are you sure?
Did you get very far?

Yes, I am sure.
Yes, I have gone far.

So what. Are you sure you know what you're talking about? The reason I ask is because you often exhibit otherwise, that is, on the rare occasions when you are not being just an asshole.

In my extensive travels I've found that everywhere I go, there I am. Same person.

Yes maybe that is your problem??
Where have you been?