Lost in the flood of beliefs

[Lacewing]

Chill the fuck out Age before you create another dimensional spacetime vortex and blow someone's flux capacitor.

But he NEEDS to tell everyone that THEY don't KNOW what HE knows!

He does not tell them WHAT they don't know, just that they aren't YET ready or able to know. And only when they are ready and able to know, will they know. So what is the point of that? To claim that he knows NOW, what they eventually will. Whoopee! Big fucking deal.

[Lacewing]

Eh? I have only one thing in common with IC - belief in the life of Christ. Sage/God informed me that Christ did what is purported in the Bible, so Y should I do_u_bt that?

God is akin to A.I. as if we are in a matrix with God as the Operating System, ever present. I'm open to such considerations based on my experiences of "IT" whereas IC believes everything in the buy_bull.

Everyone has a different experience, right? Individual and unique... even if they group together with like-minded individuals who are having similar experiences to themselves.

You have criticized me for saying that I'm spiritual although I don't believe in God. You can consider that God is like A.I., yet you can't fathom my view that all is spiritual and ONE (of the same stuff) without some notion of a god?

If the word 'God' and the concept of 'God' is experienced in so many different ways by so many different people, what the fuck difference does it make whether someone sees a reason to use it or not? What matters is how they think and live, doesn't it?

As you know, people who claim to believe in God are not any better than those who don't. Nor are their lives any better. Some may even spiral into doing worse things because they imagine their God is involved somehow... which supposedly gives them more credibility and/or releases them from responsibility. People can twist their concepts of God in so many ways! So what difference does it make if someone rejects all of that entirely -- perceiving, instead, a network/collective of natural energies that work very well when one flows in harmony with them? In other words... being part of a larger flow (as all of nature clearly is) rather than imagining divisions and hierarchies.

[iambiguous]

I was watching a show on TV tonight about the supposed Giants of Puma Punku, and the story goes that they were created from the dirt by a god, but then they angered the god, so the god sent a great flood to destroy them. How many times has such a story been used as a framework for beliefs, I wondered? Here's a list...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

Do we human beings just not raise our awareness long enough to recognize how much of our beliefs are built on endlessly recycled stories? The intent of many such stories being religious lures for the fearful. How many repetitions do we need to go through before we move on from it?

Pick a story:

1] God does exist. And with Him comes objective morality, immortality and salvation. This comforts and consoles you enormously.

And then all you have to do is to narrow your own leap of faith [wager] down to one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions

2] God does not exist. And with that comes an essentially meaningless and purposeless existence that ends in oblivion. This disturbs and distresses you enormously.

On the other hand, there are those secular/ideological paths that can "here and now" give your life meaning and purpose. As long as you come up with a way of accepting that when you do die you become nothing at all other than on your way back atomically and sub-atomically to star stuff.

And then, as with Carl Sagan, this comforts and consoles you?

[Age]

Just breath deep, inhale-exhale..inhale-exhale..

Chill the fuck out Age before you create another dimensional spacetime vortex and blow someone's flux capacitor.

Another one?

WHY 'this False PRESUMPTION' came about is the EXACT SAME REASON ALL OF THE OTHER False PRESUMPTIONS come about.

You only barely recovered last time that happened...too bad for those other forum posters. God bless them, may they rest in peace.

[Age]

Chill the fuck out Age before you create another dimensional spacetime vortex and blow someone's flux capacitor.

But he NEEDS to tell everyone that THEY don't KNOW what HE knows!

But YET AGAIN ANOTHER False PRESUMPTION' being TOLD to 'everyone' here.

Was this False PRESUMPTION' NEEDED TO BE PRESENTED and TOLD, to 'everyone', ALSO?

He does not tell them WHAT they don't know, just that they aren't YET ready or able to know.

BUT 'you' ARE ALL ABLE, TO KNOW, ALSO.

That there ARE those of 'you' who are CLEARLY NOT YET READY, though, IS EXTREMELY OBVIOUS.

And only when they are ready and able to know, will they know. So what is the point of that?

The ANSWER to 'this QUESTION' BECOMES CLEAR and OBVIOUS.

To claim that he knows NOW, what they eventually will. Whoopee! Big fucking deal.

Were 'you' under some sort of DELUSION that absolutely ANY one was MEANT TO feel 'excited' in ANY WAY AT ALL here?

[Age]

Eh? I have only one thing in common with IC - belief in the life of Christ. Sage/God informed me that Christ did what is purported in the Bible, so Y should I do_u_bt that?

God is akin to A.I. as if we are in a matrix with God as the Operating System, ever present. I'm open to such considerations based on my experiences of "IT" whereas IC believes everything in the buy_bull.

Everyone has a different experience, right? Individual and unique... even if they group together with like-minded individuals who are having similar experiences to themselves.

SO, WHY do 'you', human beings, 'group' 'you', individual human beings, into labelled and named 'classes' for, EXACTLY?

'you' are ALL absolutely NOTHING more NOR less than just 'individual human beings' right?

If yes, then absolutely EVERY ATTEMPT to 'class' 'you', individual human beings, INTO 'groups' will ALWAYS BE False, and be bound to FAILURE, anyway, correct?

You have criticized me for saying that I'm spiritual although I don't believe in God. You can consider that God is like A.I., yet you can't fathom my view that all is spiritual and ONE (of the same stuff) without some notion of a god?

If the word 'God' and the concept of 'God' is experienced in so many different ways by so many different people, what the fuck difference does it make whether someone sees a reason to use it or not? What matters is how they think and live, doesn't it?

As you know, people who claim to believe in God are not any better than those who don't. Nor are their lives any better. Some may even spiral into doing worse things because they imagine their God is involved somehow... which supposedly gives them more credibility and/or releases them from responsibility. People can twist their concepts of God in so many ways! So what difference does it make if someone rejects all of that entirely -- perceiving, instead, a network/collective of natural energies that work very well when one flows in harmony with them? In other words... being part of a larger flow (as all of nature clearly is) rather than imagining divisions and hierarchies.

[Age]

I was watching a show on TV tonight about the supposed Giants of Puma Punku, and the story goes that they were created from the dirt by a god, but then they angered the god, so the god sent a great flood to destroy them. How many times has such a story been used as a framework for beliefs, I wondered? Here's a list...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

Do we human beings just not raise our awareness long enough to recognize how much of our beliefs are built on endlessly recycled stories? The intent of many such stories being religious lures for the fearful. How many repetitions do we need to go through before we move on from it?

Pick a story:

1] God does exist. And with Him comes objective morality, immortality and salvation. This comforts and consoles you enormously.

And then all you have to do is to narrow your own leap of faith [wager] down to one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions

2] God does not exist. And with that comes an essentially meaningless and purposeless existence that ends in oblivion. This disturbs and distresses you enormously.

On the other hand, there are those secular/ideological paths that can "here and now" give your life meaning and purpose. As long as you come up with a way of accepting that when you do die you become nothing at all other than on your way back atomically and sub-atomically to star stuff.

And then, as with Carl Sagan, this comforts and consoles you?

But, then one could just LOOK AT, SEE, DISCOVER, KNOW, and then just SPEAK OF and TELL the One and ONLY ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE True STORY, ONLY, INSTEAD.

But, OF COURSE, absolutely ANY, and/or EVERY, one is absolutely FREE to just pick and choose ONLY one of the ONLY two stories above here.

[Lacewing]

Pick a story...

Why pick any story? Can't we function without a story?

[attofishpi]

Pick a story...

Why pick any story? Can't we function without a story?

I pick HIS_STORY ->> Je sus Christ.

Y

[Lacewing]

Why pick any story? Can't we function without a story?

I pick HIS_STORY ->> Je sus Christ.

Whatever.

Doesn't seem to do you much good.

[Lacewing]

Do the stories we cling to for comfort or security actually keep us in captivity?

Like a holding cell of familiar 'known' walls, we might prefer it over the limitless unknown 'outside' of it. We impose the limits and then insist to others (especially on this forum) that it's the only true reality. But why would the Universe be so small and contrived according to any person's limited reality... and what might be beyond that 'known space', truly?

I think it's like learning that we can float in an immense body of water, and then swim. Which suddenly reminds me, when I was seven years old and didn't know how to swim, my abusive stepfather threw me in the deep end of a pool and kept pushing me away from grasping onto the sides of the pool or anything else. It only further taught me that I was on my own in life. I ran away from home that afternoon, only to return a short while later to the abuse because I didn't know where else to go.

My life's experiences have always inspired me to explore further, and that is how I know that there's always more to discover than wherever I am at any particular moment. It just doesn't make sense to 'lock it down' anywhere -- which essentially locks 'me' down. I need to be free to keep moving... mainly with my mind/perspective... as I discover more territory and potential. If I feel unreasonably restricted, I start manifesting a way to move beyond the restrictions. It has worked out very well for me.

This is perhaps why stories, especially religious ones, don't hold much sway for me. I already feel like I'm part of all-that-is, and I've been swimming in it my whole life without assurances. I would rather flow with it instead of clinging onto something. There's a difference between utilizing different elements and 'handholds' while moving along... versus... committing myself to them. I know that my psychedelic use in my twenties helped me to see that I was safe in the Universe (beyond this physical world). That was a pivotal realization for me, and I've moved much more freely and effectively (and joyfully) through life ever since.

Our greatest limits are typically those that we impose on ourselves. No matter what the world throws at us, we have options in how we perceive and manifest. Life and death come and go -- sometimes full of terror -- but often not. What do we do with the moments that we have, in any circumstance? Naturally, I will always be discovering more ways that I am getting stuck and creating what I don't want... so that I can move and manifest beyond that, because I know there is greater potential all the time.

So it's not surprising that the rigidity of religion not only makes no sense to me, but it seems quite demented as well, in that it is the exact opposite of the vast and vibrant nature of the Universe which can be experienced and utilized by those who aren't 'locked down' or afraid of it.

[attofishpi]

Thanks for sharing that Lacewing.

The only difference between your outlook on the universe of things and mine pretty much, is that I have a pro_found respect for what Christ went through to instil hope and faith in love for humanity.
"Christianity" as a man made construct that includes Christ teachings (rather poorly - as so much bigotry exists) can kiss my arse.

In the UK some people go to church every Sunday...Christ didn't say "do this every week to remember me.." - so I go once in a blue moon. I do my "faith" my way and that DOES NOT restrict me in my thoughts about this 'potential' you often mention of other things. It's nice to know that when someone I love passes away, that there are these lovely old churches that can be places where we can gain solace and contemplation for our deceased loved ones...and this is thanks to the great man and what he went through - showing us we share our suffering, life is difficult but there is more to it.

If you think I am in some way restrained by the fact that I am a Christian, sure kindly point it out..

[Lacewing]

Thanks for sharing that Lacewing.

I think it's interesting to look at the things we come through, and see how they set our path in motion... but not dwell on it because there is so much change that can happen in any moment.

The only difference between your outlook on the universe of things and mine pretty much, is that I have a pro_found respect for what Christ went through to instil hope and faith in love for humanity.

Well, it's nice to know that there are things we agree on. I do not know that Jesus was any greater than so many other people and the sacrifices they have made for others. Nor that he was uniquely of God. And I do not know how much of a zealot he might have been. My understanding is that there were a lot of those in those days. If he was, instead, a progressive hippy dude, it would be great fun to sit and talk with him... and ask him what he thinks about the trip/journey he was on, and what he thinks about the ways in which it has been interpreted since? Does he have any regrets? Did it turn out like he expected? Everything that is written is made up by man and re-interpreted for all kinds of purposes. What was the truth for Jesus?

I do my "faith" my way and that DOES NOT restrict me in my thoughts about this 'potential' you often mention of other things. It's nice to know that when someone I love passes away, that there are these lovely old churches that can be places where we can gain solace and contemplation for our deceased loved ones...

Very nice. I'm more inclined to go sit in nature, looking out at the mountains and sky, feeling that all is one and perfect. I think Jesus might appreciate doing that.

If you think I am in some way restrained by the fact that I am a Christian, sure kindly point it out..

I think we all are restrained at times by the things we hold onto too exclusively. If we aren't open to seeing more than that, we don't. And isn't there more in everything? Layers, connections, phases... shifting and flowing like a sparkling stream of clear water... but we get mesmerized by the shimmer and the reflections and the physical sensations. Very intoxicating world we live in... with all of its stories. Can we sense the vast clarity underneath/behind all of that if we get our noise out of the way?

[Age]

Pick a story...

Why pick any story?

BECAUSE IF 'it' IS an IRREFUTABLY True, Right, Accurate, and Correct STORY, then one would be VERY FOOLHARDY to NOT 'go along' WITH THAT STORY.

Can't we function without a story?

The VERY Fact that 'you' can NOT STOP "your" OWN 'self', "lacewing", FROM EXPRESSING and SHARING 'your OWN stories' with "others" HIGHLIGHTS the NEED and DESIRE FOR 'story', also known as UNDERSTANDING and/or KNOWING.

Oh, and also, I do SUGGEST NEVER 'picking' ANY story UNTIL one COMES ALONG that IS Truly WORTHY OF EXPRESSING, and SHARING. Which would ONLY be A STORY that IS ACTUALLY IRREFUTABLY True.

[Age]

Pick a story...

Why pick any story? Can't we function without a story?

I pick HIS_STORY ->> Je sus Christ.

Y

What, EXACTLY, is THE, one and only, story of "jesus christ"?

Or, do 'you' have 'your' OWN personal story here "attofishpi"?