The Existential Crisis

[surreptitious57]

Reality or your external objective reality from a Gods Eye perspective IS and is KNOWN by what EVERY one agrees with

Two human beings having an argument about objective reality is still a part of objective reality
The words they are speaking or writing exist as part of it even if they cannot agree on what it is

Reality is therefore not what all human beings agree on but is just what simply exists
What exists does not require the agreement of all human beings or even one of them

[surreptitious57]

This is because to me there are NO other minds

But I can explain to you exactly how the thoughts within this body came about and thus also explain the way thinking itself is the way it is

To me a mind IS thoughts within a body but I am not going to write thoughts within a body every time when I can simply write minds
Apart from anything else I do not like the phrase as its too clumsy but if you want to describe minds like that then its absolutely fine

[surreptitious57]

What exactly do you mean by the word minds ? I mean all the words here on the forum and the words and thoughts of human beings in general
I dont usually ask myself questions as they are superfluous and I dont have the mental energy but Age would only ask me and so its to save time

But WHY did you make the ASSUMPTION that i was going to ask that question ?

Because you always ask that question !!! Every single time !!!
And so I said it was just to save time as that is the reason why

[Dontaskme]

But the, so called, "elusive mysterious unknowable" that, supposedly, "can never be described" might have just been unknowingly described ALREADY?

Describing any thing is an apparent appearance known by no thing. Descriptions are seemingly somethings appearing from nothing.

This Nothingness appearing as Everything cannot be descibed because it's unknowable, any thing that is known is a fiction, a fiction is a concept which is both real and unreal simultaneously.

What's being expressed here is a fictional idea...aka nothing...no thing.

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[Dontaskme]

The delusion is believing there is an I who is being am.

To me, believing any thing is true, right, and/or correct BEFORE any actual evidence and/or proof is obtained is a form of delusion.

Believing things to be true is within the fictional dream story of 'me'...which is an artificial construct of nothing, no thing. So it's just an energy that appears from nowhere, and does so spontaneously without reason, purpose or meaning.

Another artificial construct could manifest as the believe you are going to be happy for the rest of your life, but that belief will not make it happen or be true. No belief is true or false, because there is no believer, any idea of there being a believer is also a belief. Again, beliefs are just an energy arising within the dream story of a 'me' which is an artificially constructed fiction.

There is no one to prove anything, there's just what is....and what is does not have to prove anything, it just is, nor can what is disprove what is.

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[Dontaskme]

But hair, itself, does not have a brain, and hair does NOT have NOR hold knowledge. A brain, however, can gather and store information, and turn information into knowledge.

Yes and so knowledge is ALL there is.

There is no knowledge of a knower, for that too is knowledge.

Knower, known and knowing is all ONE.

ONEness is no-thingness arising as everything.

[Dontaskme]

From my perspective there are 'ones'. So, there is 'some one' that 'this' is appearing to.

The 'some one' is an appearance of 'no one' . The 'some one' is an artificial construct of the brain when the brain becomes self conscious, conscious of itself, but it's a phantom 'some one' it's just the brain braining...which is a construct of no thing thinking it is a thing.

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[Dontaskme]

There is no I to be am.

According to 'who'?

According to no one.

All actions / non-actions, doings or no-doings, that originate from humans do not need to pass the test of Good or Bad, Right or Wrong, as these are part of (but not separate from) the totality of functioning of this phenomenal World.

You will never ever get answer to the question to ''who'' ? The simplest answer is acceptance of ''what is'' at this moment will remove all doubts.

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[Age]

Ehh your lies are obvious to most people, in case you didn't know this.

But there are still NONE that you can prove, correct?

Already have, lying won't help.

You say my "lies" are obvious to most people, but you are YET to provide just one example of where you BELIEVE I have lied.

Also, how do you KNOW what is supposedly "obvious" to supposedly MOST people?

[Age]

I have already proven you wrong, you just lie about it. What does this tell about you?

WHERE and WHEN have you, supposedly, proven me wrong? What you have proven to "your" own 'self', which is in that body only, is NOT actually PROVEN. That is just what 'you' BELIEVE is true.

And, what am I supposedly lying about, this time?

What 'you', "atla", BELIEVE is true, which you are YET to prove, does NOT say ANY thing about 'me' actually.

No one cares about you pretending to have amnesia and projecting

Who is, so called, "pretending?

I ask you two VERY SIMPLE clarifying questions. You, once again, FAILED COMPLETELY to CLARIFY.

[Age]

Reality or your external objective reality from a Gods Eye perspective IS and is KNOWN by what EVERY one agrees with

Two human beings having an argument about objective reality is still a part of objective reality

Okay.

The words they are speaking or writing exist as part of it even if they cannot agree on what it is

Okay.

Reality is therefore not what all human beings agree on but is just what simply exists

Okay.

What exists does not require the agreement of all human beings or even one of them

IF SOME one does NOT agree that Reality is 'just what simply exists' and can prove this with evidence and/or sound logical reasoning, then Reality is NOT 'just what simply exists'. As you ALREADY agree with; What exists does not require the agreement of ANY one. Now, IF EVERY one agrees that Reality is 'just what simply exists', then as I was saying; Reality IS, and is KNOWN by, what EVERY one agrees with.

'your', "surreptitious57's", words are the actual evidence, proving this.

'you' agreeing, and saying; Reality IS 'just what simply exists' is SHOWING how it is through agreement, with ALL, thee Truth of 'things' is found. True Reality also being one of these 'things'.

[Age]

This is because to me there are NO other minds

But I can explain to you exactly how the thoughts within this body came about and thus also explain the way thinking itself is the way it is

To me a mind IS thoughts within a body but I am not going to write thoughts within a body every time when I can simply write minds

Okay.

But you could just write 'thoughts' instead of 'minds' and it would still mean the EXACT SAME 'thing', right?

If yes, then you would NOT have to add the words 'within a body' to the word 'thoughts' just like you do not have add 'them' with the 'mind' word. So, the only thing that would be, so called, "difficult" is just the writing of three more letters ONLY.

Apart from anything else I do not like the phrase as its too clumsy but if you want to describe minds like that then its absolutely fine

But I do NOT want to describe the word 'minds' like that AT ALL.

WHY would you even ASSUME and/or SAY this?

Also, the way you responded here it looks like you completely misunderstood what I actually said and meant and have misconstrued what i have said and meant.

[Age]

What exactly do you mean by the word minds ? I mean all the words here on the forum and the words and thoughts of human beings in general
I dont usually ask myself questions as they are superfluous and I dont have the mental energy but Age would only ask me and so its to save time

But WHY did you make the ASSUMPTION that i was going to ask that question ?

Because you always ask that question !!! Every single time !!!

REALLY?

And, I supposedly "ask that question, every single time" 'what happens', EXACTLY?

And so I said it was just to save time as that is the reason why

But as I said I was NOT going to ask that question.

[Age]

But the, so called, "elusive mysterious unknowable" that, supposedly, "can never be described" might have just been unknowingly described ALREADY?

Describing any thing is an apparent appearance known by no thing. Descriptions are seemingly somethings appearing from nothing.

Even if this was true, descriptions are still describing some 'thing'. And, one of those 'things', which has ALREADY been described is the 'thing', which is you BELIEVE is absolutely TRUE is that there is a 'thing' that is "elusive", "mysterious", and is "unknowable". YET 'It' has ALREADY been described, in and through words and language.

This Nothingness appearing as Everything cannot be descibed because it's unknowable, any thing that is known is a fiction, a fiction is a concept which is both real and unreal simultaneously.

But just because you BELIEVE this to be true does NOT make it true.

Also, if what you allege and say is known to you, then by your own, so called, "logic", then it is just fiction anyway.

What's being expressed here is a fictional idea...aka nothing...no thing.

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If you say so.

But WHY do you say this, and thus say so?

Also, do NOT forget that you are FREE to BELIEVE whatever 'it' is that you WANT to BELIEVE is true, but also remember that this does NOT necessarily make what you BELIEVE to be true, true at all.

[Age]

The delusion is believing there is an I who is being am.

To me, believing any thing is true, right, and/or correct BEFORE any actual evidence and/or proof is obtained is a form of delusion.

Believing things to be true is within the fictional dream story of 'me'...which is an artificial construct of nothing, no thing. So it's just an energy that appears from nowhere, and does so spontaneously without reason, purpose or meaning.

So, ABSOLUTELY EVERY WORD under the label "dontaskme" is spontaneously written WITHOUT REASON, PURPOSE nor meaning, CORRECT?

Another artificial construct could manifest as the believe you are going to be happy for the rest of your life, but that belief will not make it happen or be true.

I do NOT have BELIEFS. See, 'I' do, and say, 'things' for, unlike 'you', very specific REASONS.

No belief is true or false, because there is no believer, any idea of there being a believer is also a belief. Again, beliefs are just an energy arising within the dream story of a 'me' which is an artificially constructed fiction.

There is no one to prove anything, there's just what is....and what is does not have to prove anything, it just is, nor can what is disprove what is.

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So, what 'I' say is; 'just what IS', correct?