The Existential Crisis

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Re: The Existential Crisis

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Of course there are many ways of perceiving and responding to life. In my experience, I have never labeled what I was going through as suffering at the time of going through it. Neither did I have such a concept as a child. Things were scary and terrible, but I was focused on exploring and surviving in the moment. Life was, and always has been for me, an adventure to be explored, in whatever way/time I have. Generally speaking, I've noticed a resiliency in children regardless of their circumstances, and I feel like I understand that. Of course there are going to be many perspectives on what the child's concept is -- and I'm simply offering my perspective and whatever truth I see in it. That can be added to all the other truths. :)

Of course my philosophical perspective does NOT condone or dismiss the cruelty of adults onto children. Anyone who suggests that is an idiot. If I were to see an adult abusing a child, I would intervene. If I were to see a man sexually abusing a child, I would cut off his dick and cram it down his throat, then tape his mouth shut. I think child molesters should be neutered -- no second chance.

Amazingly, most children appear to be naturally/innately equipped/capable to handle all kinds of hideous things they're subjected to. I think that's an astounding thing to consider and THAT'S what I'm focusing on here! I think it demonstrates the true giant-ness of the human spirit -- even in a being that looks small and young and inexperienced and uneducated. And for such giant spirits, the ravages of the world are a playing field to be explored and to rise above. Who knows if we ALL didn't choose to incarnate here? Children are as much spiritual giants as adults are. They seem more clearly in tune with energy/nature than most adults -- and they seem more accepting of life than most adults who are wound up in concepts, stories, and control. So, who/what is more deficient?
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Re: The Existential Crisis

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Age wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:48 pm bla bla bla
Well I think we can conclude this little experiment. Looks like you are genuinely and irreparably insane, you aren't just making it up. Sucks for you :) I don't really understand though how delusions of this magnitude can happen, maybe people are dumber than I can comprehend.
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Re: The Existential Crisis

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Age wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
What is the actual truth of reality ?
To answer this properly and correctly for you I will need to know what is the definition of the words truth and reality
I just want you to tell me what they mean from your perspective - what they mean from mine is not relevant here
Whether I understand your answer or not makes no difference - the only thing that matters is the answer you give
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Re: The Existential Crisis

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Age wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
And can you give some specific examples ?
I can only give you some specific examples from the perspective of me and from how I specifically define and use words which obviously may
not yet be comprehensible and understandable by you from the perspective of you and from how you specifically define and use the same words
Once again it is not about being comprehensible or understandable but just simply answering the question being asked
Now I may understand you or I may not - but that has absolutely no bearing on you just giving the answer that you can
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Age wrote:
By the way a hint as to what Reality actually IS can be found in the proper and correct answer to the question
Is this world or this way of living which you human beings are living in now when this is being written Reality Itself ?
Reality is simply that which exists but whether it is the right way for human beings to live is another matter entirely
Ultimately it is for human beings to decide how best they can / should live but how they really do live is still reality
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Re: The Existential Crisis

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Atla wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:55 pm
Well I think we can conclude this little experiment. Looks like you are genuinely and irreparably insane, you aren't just making it up. Sucks for you :) I don't really understand though how delusions of this magnitude can happen, maybe people are dumber than I can comprehend.

Everything is an absolute expression of wholeness aka the infinite. Absolutely nothing needs to be added or taken away. Nothing is more valid or sacred than anything else. No condition need to be filled in order to become worthy. The infinite is unconditionally here, it IS all there is.

The delusion is believing there is an I who is being am. There is no I to be am. There is only the infinite in all it's expression, ever boundless, free, and appearing as every conceivable concept, sensation, feeling, and thought.

What is done to the self, the self that is believed to exist, is done to the whole self, so there's always just what's happening, there's just what's appearing from within it's own source, the only source there is, which is known as the physcial brain, the only source available, the only knowable source of all knowledge. . also known as consciousness, which is just another label for what in reality is the ever elusive mysterious unknowable that can never be described.

I hardly think the brain which is nothing more than a lump of fleshy meat substance knows of it's existence, in the same context the hair on the head has no idea it is brown, or black or blonde, or red.

So what is there here at the end of the day? ...there is here absolutely nothing but a fictional idea, a very huge one at that, probably the size of infinity itself.


Reality is happening, it's appearing as it is evidently sensed, but it's not happening or appearing to a 'someone'

You already know this, so there is no need for you to keep beating your shadow. You just need to let it go.
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Re: The Existential Crisis

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Atla wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:55 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:48 pm bla bla bla
Well I think we can conclude this little experiment. Looks like you are genuinely and irreparably insane, you aren't just making it up. Sucks for you :)
WHY do 'you' propose it "sucks for 'me'", AT ALL?

Did you forget that 'I' am "irreparably insane", to 'you'? And, in case 'you' are NOT YET aware being "insane" MEANS that it does NOT "suck for me".
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:55 pm I don't really understand though how delusions of this magnitude can happen, maybe people are dumber than I can comprehend.
What "delusions of this magnitude" EXACTLY?

Or, are you incapable of CLARIFYING this very simple question, just like you were with ALL of the other VERY SIMPLE clarifying questions posed to you?
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Re: The Existential Crisis

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surreptitious57 wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:36 pm
Age wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
What is the actual truth of reality ?
To answer this properly and correctly for you I will need to know what is the definition of the words truth and reality
I just want you to tell me what they mean from your perspective - what they mean from mine is not relevant here
Whether I understand your answer or not makes no difference - the only thing that matters is the answer you give
Okay GREAT.

But what you have written here tends to lead to the conclusion that you did NOT read ALL of my reply to you. See, in that reply I ALREADY actually answered your clarifying question here, which you posed to me.

Did you read ALL of my reply to you?

If no, then my answer to your question is there.

But if yes, then HOW did you NOT see my answer to your question?
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Re: The Existential Crisis

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surreptitious57 wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:48 pm
Age wrote:
By the way a hint as to what Reality actually IS can be found in the proper and correct answer to the question
Is this world or this way of living which you human beings are living in now when this is being written Reality Itself ?
Reality is simply that which exists but whether it is the right way for human beings to live is another matter entirely
Okay. So, to you, 'reality' is relative to a human being, correct?

If yes, then there are as many different 'realities' as there are human beings, which, by the way, both; 'reality' AND 'a human being', are evolving, and thus changing, things, correct?
surreptitious57 wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:48 pm Ultimately it is for human beings to decide how best they can / should live but how they really do live is still reality
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Lacewing wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:25 pm Of course there are many ways of perceiving and responding to life. In my experience, I have never labeled what I was going through as suffering at the time of going through it. Neither did I have such a concept as a child. Things were scary and terrible, but I was focused on exploring and surviving in the moment. Life was, and always has been for me, an adventure to be explored, in whatever way/time I have. Generally speaking, I've noticed a resiliency in children regardless of their circumstances, and I feel like I understand that. Of course there are going to be many perspectives on what the child's concept is -- and I'm simply offering my perspective and whatever truth I see in it. That can be added to all the other truths. :)

Of course my philosophical perspective does NOT condone or dismiss the cruelty of adults onto children. Anyone who suggests that is an idiot. If I were to see an adult abusing a child, I would intervene. If I were to see a man sexually abusing a child, I would cut off his dick and cram it down his throat, then tape his mouth shut. I think child molesters should be neutered -- no second chance.

Amazingly, most children appear to be naturally/innately equipped/capable to handle all kinds of hideous things they're subjected to. I think that's an astounding thing to consider and THAT'S what I'm focusing on here! I think it demonstrates the true giant-ness of the human spirit -- even in a being that looks small and young and inexperienced and uneducated. And for such giant spirits, the ravages of the world are a playing field to be explored and to rise above. Who knows if we ALL didn't choose to incarnate here? Children are as much spiritual giants as adults are. They seem more clearly in tune with energy/nature than most adults -- and they seem more accepting of life than most adults who are wound up in concepts, stories, and control. So, who/what is more deficient?
Not to be "wound up in concepts, stories, and control " is to be pre-linguistic. I am not sure, but I think it's possible people from childhood to old age suffer less if what you and I take to be suffering is accepted as normal and unremarkable.
Hope for better is cruel when you know what is hoped for is impossible.however you cannot hope for better unless you know what 'better' is, and you need language for the concept of better when you can't experience or have never experienced better first hand.

The sort of suffering which is not mental but physical pain , hunger, or thirst I think must be a different matter from mental suffering. In the absence of anaesthesia or similar such as analgesia, hypnosis, or acupuncture I think all experiences of physical suffering are much the same, across all ages.
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Re: The Existential Crisis

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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:36 am
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:55 pm
Well I think we can conclude this little experiment. Looks like you are genuinely and irreparably insane, you aren't just making it up. Sucks for you :) I don't really understand though how delusions of this magnitude can happen, maybe people are dumber than I can comprehend.

Everything is an absolute expression of wholeness aka the infinite. Absolutely nothing needs to be added or taken away. Nothing is more valid or sacred than anything else. No condition need to be filled in order to become worthy. The infinite is unconditionally here, it IS all there is.

The delusion is believing there is an I who is being am.
To me, believing any thing is true, right, and/or correct BEFORE any actual evidence and/or proof is obtained is a form of delusion.

Also, is it possible that this 'Everything', 'Wholeness', or thee, also known as, 'Infinite' just be an 'I', who is just BEing?

Or is this NOT possible?
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:36 am
There is no I to be am.
According to 'who'?
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:36 am
There is only the infinite in all it's expression, ever boundless, free, and appearing as every conceivable concept, sensation, feeling, and thought.
Could this 'Infinite' just be an 'I', and just a Being, being Its Self?
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:36 am
What is done to the self, the self that is believed to exist, is done to the whole self, so there's always just what's happening, there's just what's appearing from within it's own source, the only source there is, which is known as the physcial brain, the only source available, the only knowable source of all knowledge. . also known as consciousness, which is just another label for what in reality is the ever elusive mysterious unknowable that can never be described.
But the, so called, "elusive mysterious unknowable" that, supposedly, "can never be described" might have just been unknowingly described ALREADY?
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:36 am I hardly think the brain which is nothing more than a lump of fleshy meat substance knows of it's existence, in the same context the hair on the head has no idea it is brown, or black or blonde, or red.
But hair, itself, does not have a brain, and hair does NOT have NOR hold knowledge. A brain, however, can gather and store information, and turn information into knowledge.
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:36 am
So what is there here at the end of the day? ...
The amount of 'things' that are here, "at the end of the day", is quite a lengthy list. Would you like the FULL list?
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:36 am
there is here absolutely nothing but a fictional idea, a very huge one at that, probably the size of infinity itself.
Okay.

Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:36 am
Reality is happening, it's appearing as it is evidently sensed, but it's not happening or appearing to a 'someone'

You already know this, so there is no need for you to keep beating your shadow. You just need to let it go.
But I do NOT know this.

From my perspective there are 'ones'. So, there is 'some one' that 'this' is appearing to.
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Re: The Existential Crisis

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Age replied to Dontaskme:
Could this 'Infinite' just be an 'I', and just a Being, being Its Self?
#

Many theists believe in a God Who is a Person. Within the concept that is DAM's usual interest and belief, God Who is a Person is part of the whole of existence itself same as all other concepts.
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Re: The Existential Crisis

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Age wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:35 am
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:55 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:48 pm bla bla bla
Well I think we can conclude this little experiment. Looks like you are genuinely and irreparably insane, you aren't just making it up. Sucks for you :)
WHY do 'you' propose it "sucks for 'me'", AT ALL?

Did you forget that 'I' am "irreparably insane", to 'you'? And, in case 'you' are NOT YET aware being "insane" MEANS that it does NOT "suck for me".
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:55 pm I don't really understand though how delusions of this magnitude can happen, maybe people are dumber than I can comprehend.
What "delusions of this magnitude" EXACTLY?

Or, are you incapable of CLARIFYING this very simple question, just like you were with ALL of the other VERY SIMPLE clarifying questions posed to you?
Denying anything you said before still won't save you. You have only proven that you are the one incapable of such things, especially provide any evidence for your claims.

Anyway I'm not the one you have to convince about anything, but people in your real life (in the unlikely case that there are any).
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Re: The Existential Crisis

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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:36 am
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:55 pm
Well I think we can conclude this little experiment. Looks like you are genuinely and irreparably insane, you aren't just making it up. Sucks for you :) I don't really understand though how delusions of this magnitude can happen, maybe people are dumber than I can comprehend.

Everything is an absolute expression of wholeness aka the infinite. Absolutely nothing needs to be added or taken away. Nothing is more valid or sacred than anything else. No condition need to be filled in order to become worthy. The infinite is unconditionally here, it IS all there is.

The delusion is believing there is an I who is being am. There is no I to be am. There is only the infinite in all it's expression, ever boundless, free, and appearing as every conceivable concept, sensation, feeling, and thought.

What is done to the self, the self that is believed to exist, is done to the whole self, so there's always just what's happening, there's just what's appearing from within it's own source, the only source there is, which is known as the physcial brain, the only source available, the only knowable source of all knowledge. . also known as consciousness, which is just another label for what in reality is the ever elusive mysterious unknowable that can never be described.

I hardly think the brain which is nothing more than a lump of fleshy meat substance knows of it's existence, in the same context the hair on the head has no idea it is brown, or black or blonde, or red.

So what is there here at the end of the day? ...there is here absolutely nothing but a fictional idea, a very huge one at that, probably the size of infinity itself.


Reality is happening, it's appearing as it is evidently sensed, but it's not happening or appearing to a 'someone'

You already know this, so there is no need for you to keep beating your shadow. You just need to let it go.
Yeah most of which has fuck all to do with what Age believes. He/she is even more crazy than you, no spotlight here for DAM.
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Re: The Existential Crisis

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Atla wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:04 pm
Age wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:35 am
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:55 pm
Well I think we can conclude this little experiment. Looks like you are genuinely and irreparably insane, you aren't just making it up. Sucks for you :)
WHY do 'you' propose it "sucks for 'me'", AT ALL?

Did you forget that 'I' am "irreparably insane", to 'you'? And, in case 'you' are NOT YET aware being "insane" MEANS that it does NOT "suck for me".
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:55 pm I don't really understand though how delusions of this magnitude can happen, maybe people are dumber than I can comprehend.
What "delusions of this magnitude" EXACTLY?

Or, are you incapable of CLARIFYING this very simple question, just like you were with ALL of the other VERY SIMPLE clarifying questions posed to you?
Denying anything you said before still won't save you.
But I am NOT denying anything that I have actually said.

I am just asking you to CLARIFY what 'it' is that you are talking about.
Atla wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:04 pmYou have only proven that you are the one incapable of such things, especially provide any evidence for your claims.
But I have ALREADY informed you that I am NOT here, in this forum, to provide evidence for my claims, unless of course it is specifically asked for.
Atla wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:04 pmAnyway I'm not the one you have to convince about anything, but people in your real life (in the unlikely case that there are any).
But you have concluded that I am "insane". Therefore, I would NOT have a 'real' life, correct?

Also, the VERY LAST thing that I want to do is to convince you, nor anyone "else", of absolutely ANY thing.

You are certainly old enough to be able to think, and see things, for and by 'your' own 'self'.
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