The Existential Crisis

[Age]

Whatever children are enduring is included in the big perspective of perfection. Whatever suffering is going on is included in the big perspective of perfection. Anything you suffered as a child is included in the big perspective of perfection.

But children ONLY 'suffer' from what 'you' adult human beings do.

If there were no adults, life would still include suffering for children.

Will you provide any examples?

From my perspective I have NOT observed what children could possibly 'suffer' from, without adult interference.

But then again it might just come down to how we both define the word 'suffering' differently? But until you provide some examples of what 'suffering' children could possibly endure we have nothing to LOOK AT and DISCUSS.

Whatever children are enduring -- for any reason -- is included in the big perspective of perfection.

Again, without examples I am NOT seeing what children would be 'enduring'. So, until examples are provided, from my perspective, children ONLY 'suffer' and 'endure' because of adults.

Do you need to learn understanding?

I think I have found it ALREADY.

Do you think it is a single, static, non-expanding knowing/understanding? If understanding is something you have found "already", is there no further understanding?

A part of True 'understanding' is KNOWING that there is always MORE to learn, and thus MORE to understand as well.

Do you think that you are different from humans?

simply put the 'one' known as "age" is just another one of 'you', human beings.

But that is not all there is in regard to Age, right?

No.

That is all there is to the label "age" on this forum.

That label is associated with just another name for one of 'you', human beings.

The name "age" is just the name i use in this forum, and i am just human being. A 'human being' is just made up of two things; a human body, and, a set of thoughts and emotions.

The visibly seen body is just the 'human' part of the 'human being', and, the can not be visibly seen thoughts and emotions is just the 'being' part of the 'human being'. Each one of these beings is usually given a name. The name I use for this human being writing this, here in this forum, is "age".

So why would 'being human' be all there is in regard to anyone else?

I do not understand this question at all.

Did you write this question on the presumption that I was going to answer your previous question in some particular way?

If no, then will you rephrase this question in another way?

But if you did ask this question on some already presumed answer to the previous question, then what was the presumed answer you were thinking of?

Instead of speaking to "you humans", why don't you speak to that which is throughout all? That which is perfect.

That One ALREADY KNOWS what is happening.

What you are asking, more or less, is why do you not speak to thy Self? Which in a sense is futile. But, in another sense, is what is EXACTLY happening, in one form. See, when the human being is being Truly Honest, with its Self, then what comes-to-light, or is REVEALED, is the coming-together or Unification of thee One True Self. This One is within EVERY thing, including the 'human being', and so this One is speaking so to draw-out thee True Self, (the potential), within ALL.

See, that which is PERFECT and throughout ALL, actually 'needs' a species to evolve with enough intelligence for Its Self to become KNOWN. For 'It' to KNOW thy Self can not happen until an intelligent enough species, like the human being, to evolve, and as the human being species is continually evolving 'that' which is throughout ALL, and which is PERFECT, gradually becomes more and more KNOWN. The more OPEN and Honest an intelligent enough species is, at the right time of its evolutionary process, then the more thy Self is REVEALED.

The human being species 'needed' this 'Self', the Universe, for this species to have evolved or be created. But, also, this 'Self', 'needed' an intelligent enough species to become evolved enough for this 'Self' to come to KNOW Its Self. This 'Self' actually 'needed' some thing like the human brain, and its 'computer-like power', which is capable of storing AND processing the information/knowledge that it obtains, through the body and its five senses, of the environment/Universe that it lives within. This ability, which only comes from the evolved species - human, combined with the OPEN Mind which is capable of learning, understanding, and reasoning absolutely ANY and EVERY thing is what allowed thee True Self to obtain the ability to learn and understand, and thus KNOW thy Self.

When 'you', human beings, learn how to answer the question, 'Who am 'I'?', properly and correctly, then 'ALL-OF-THIS' in relation to speaking to 'you', human beings, and speaking to 'that' which is throughout ALL, and PERFECT, will be much better 'understood' and 'reasoned'.

To me, a 'problem' is just a question posed for a solution. Until that is made, there is, literally, NO PROBLEM at all, anywhere.

Yet, you see a problem with the suffering of children?

WHY do 'you', "lacewing", and some "other" human beings make the ASSUMPTION and/or JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION that I see a 'problem' with the suffering of children?

Look, I ALREADY KNOW the EXACT REASONS WHY children suffer. Therefore, I ALREADY ALSO KNOW the EXACT REASONS of HOW to prevent, and thus SOLVE the suffering of children from EVER happening EVER AGAIN.

If I ALREADY KNOW the SOLUTION, which will PREVENT children from EVER suffering AGAIN, and 'prevention is better than the cure', then I ALREADY HAVE what is better than the cure. This means I ALREADY HAVE what will make and create EVER-LASTING peace and happiness here, in this Life. Therefore, there is NO 'problem'.

Now, if you see a 'problem' with the suffering of children, then GREAT. You have, from my perspective, at least a question, to pose, for a solution, which, by the way, I will be glad to answer any specific question asked.

However, if you do NOT see a 'problem' with the suffering of children, then I would sadly suggest that you are NOT looking hard enough or NOT looking at all. To me, in the days of when this is being written children are suffering very severely in all sorts of extremes from NOT being listened to and heard to dying just because they 'need' a tiny bit of nutrients.

Maybe what they cause is part of the perfect experience they want to create and have.

OF COURSE what human being cause is part of the PERFECT EXPERIENCE. And, of course, what human beings cause is part of what they want to create and have. But what adult human beings are causing, and creating, is NOT what they as children, and ALL children, Truly want to create and have. This should be CLEARLY OBVIOUS by now. If not, then WHY NOT?

Maybe you're misunderstanding it.

What is the 'it' here?

I will gladly ADMIT that I am TOTALLY MISUNDERSTANDING 'it'. This is because I have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what 'it' IS, here.

Do you think that children have no greater power/influence/essence than their small physical presence?

To me, there is One, and understand this ONLY One True power/influence/essence. This One is within EVERY thing, or as you said, 'throughout ALL'.

This Essence, however, sadly and unfortunately, can NOT transfer this power and influence onto those who do NOT listen NOR hear It. As I have previously alluded to greatest moment of when this One, Essence, is in Its most undisturbed, or, literally, most un-adult-ered form, is in young children. The younger the child the more PURE this One Essence is able to be HEARD. That is WHY I have suggested previously to learn more about what is actually Right and Wrong in Life is BEST learned by observing and listening to the youngest of 'you' all - the newly born.

If 'you', adults, were to LISTEN to them, then they will TELL you and TEACH you more about life and living, then you could ever possibly learn from an already "grown-up", adult. This is because these adults have 'grown-up' in a 'world' of greed and hate, and so have been influenced to see and believe that this is "normal". Whereas, a new born has not been influenced YET by what is WRONG.

I remember feeling very in-tune when I came into this world, regardless of what the adults were doing.

For you to have consciously felt that at such a young age I think is a very special and unique experience, which I would have dearly LOVED to have experienced. But, sadly, most children are NOT allowed to feel NOR experience that 'in-tune' feeling with this One and ONLY Universe, or Life, Itself. Most children are very quickly taught, and thus learn, to be associated with the 'world', culture and customs, that they are being brought up in and are FORCED to follow and adhere to the rules and customs of that 'world', culture and custom.

There was a sense of being part of something greater.

This 'greater' is STILL 'within' ALL of 'us'. It NEVER leaves. It just gets replaced with, as you would say, "the noise", from the current 'world', culture and custom, in which one is living in.

The greatest of ALL is thee Universe, Itself, and to feel, or have a sense of, being a part of It, and NOT apart from It, is a Truly wonderful feeling to experience and sense.

The suffering is part of the theater on this stage.

But again, to me, children do NOT suffer. That is; until they are taught, and thus learn, the concept of 'suffering'.

See, if a child is dying, for whatever reason, they do NOT suffer from this. They just accept this, without adult influence. This can be SEEN in the younger the child is, then less they, so call, "suffer". It is only when adults tell the child things like; "Oh you poor thing", "You MUST BE suffering", et cetera. And when the adult is also shedding tears and/or feeling 'distraught' or 'worried', because they are 'suffering' knowing their child is dying, then it is ONLY THEN that this "suffering" then gets passed on to the child.

Children do NOT 'suffer' UNTIL they learn to 'suffer'. This can be Truly recognized/SEEN in the younger the child is.

Now, in saying this, OF COURSE children feel pain, now and then, from when the body gets injured, BUT, this is NOT "suffering". This is just a part of Life, and living, and at the speed children get over that pain, especially the younger they are, then it is VERY CLEARLY OBVIOUS that they are NOT "suffering".

If the body 'hurts', then that is just obviously a pain, which is 'needed' in a species, that is; if that species wants to keep on living and surviving. If, however, there is internal or emotional 'hurt', from, for example, not being listened to, not being accepted, not feeling belonging, (or not feeling a part of something greater), or just from feeling, forgotten, neglected, rejected, or ridiculed and humiliated, then this, again, is because of adults doing ONLY.

Now, some might say that children can be the cruelest. But, I will ask the clarifying question, WHERE did they LEARN this behavior from? And, as far I have observed, it ALWAYS comes back to an adult somewhere. Unless, of course, a person is under the BELIEF that people are born the way they are. Then I could write pages and pages and pages in regards to this, which involves asking a series of clarifying questions as will to get to the actual bottom and Truth of this as well.

Our physical forms, young or old, seem to have little to do with the same energy/essence that animates all of us.

When 'you' say, " 'our' physical forms ", then who and/or what is the 'our' referencing? See, I ask this type of question frequently because when answered Honestly it is usually in reference to 'our', human being, form. BUT, as you just rightly pointed out, this form has actually little to do with thee Essence within, or throughout, ALL, which is what 'thy' True Self actually IS. 'This' physical, human, form is just part of the evolutionary Nature of Life, Itself. The human form is just one of the many forms, which are ALL just a part of the One True Form, or thee Universe, Itself.

To me, from a larger perspective, everything appears to be a non-serious interplay of possibilities, of the same energy. Judgments about it are human.

To me, 'judgments' about ANY thing are also 'human' only. And, 'from the larger perspective', Life is very simple and easy and is just about living and having fun, or enjoying, and NOT to be taken seriously. Any thing else is just human construct, of which by the year that this is being written in it should be CLEARLY OBVIOUS that the possibility of human construct, with the Truly OPEN Mind, as they say, is endless. However, in saying all of that, I also take the abuse of children VERY SERIOUS. What adults do to themselves is of NO real concern to me, as they are, supposed, to be "old enough" already KNOW BETTER to NOT be "affected" by what "others" do to them. Children are completely different as they did NOT choose to come into this life, they have absolutely NO power NOR control what happens to them, by adults, and have had absolutely NO experiences or very little experiences to learn how to control their own thoughts and emotions.

And, the larger perspective of PERFECTION does NOT want children to suffer, OBVIOUSLY.

According to who, is it this way? Who is not wanting?

The Essence within, or throughout, ALL, is thee One that does NOT want children to suffer.

Ask any child, or any one when they were a child, if they want/wanted to suffer? If there is NO one who says they want/wanted to suffer, as a child, then that is 'who' 'this' is according to.

The 'things', which are in 'agreement' with EVERY 'one', are the 'things' that are aligned with PERFECTION, and which thee True Self, thee Essence within or throughout ALL, says, 'It is this way'.




I will respond to the rest later.

[Lacewing]

But children ONLY 'suffer' from what 'you' adult human beings do.

If there were no adults, life would still include suffering for children.

Will you provide any examples?

From my perspective I have NOT observed what children could possibly 'suffer' from, without adult interference.

Children have different characters, just like humans of all ages. Some are brave, some are fearful, some are happy, some cry a lot, etc. They encounter injury and experience fear just like any living creature. They may also experience rejection or cruelty or insecurity from being around other children. Depending on their character, they may handle this in many different ways. Although it may be true that children in general are more spiritual or pure, they are still human with varying characteristics regardless of the families they are born into.

Likewise, adult's characters are varied regardless of the experiences/lives they've had. To think that a simple, sweet, loving life -- or a horrific, traumatic life -- produces a certain kind of human is very simplistic thinking. It appears to me that there is much more in play in humans of all ages.

I think I have found it ALREADY.

Do you think it is a single, static, non-expanding knowing/understanding? If understanding is something you have found "already", is there no further understanding?

A part of True 'understanding' is KNOWING that there is always MORE to learn, and thus MORE to understand as well.

Then what is it actually that you have found? A piece of understanding?

So why would 'being human' be all there is in regard to anyone else?

I do not understand this question at all.

Age is not the only human that essence speaks through. Essence animates and speaks through all humans and all life.

Instead of speaking to "you humans", why don't you speak to that which is throughout all? That which is perfect.

That One ALREADY KNOWS what is happening.

So is that one talking to itself? Who ELSE is there to talk to? That one is ALL, yes?

See, that which is PERFECT and throughout ALL, actually 'needs' a species to evolve with enough intelligence for Its Self to become KNOWN.

How do you know this?

Why would all-that-is be a 'self'?

Why would there be any need for being known? 'Known' seems meaningless beyond the human reality.

For 'It' to KNOW thy Self can not happen until an intelligent enough species, like the human being, to evolve

Do you think human beings are the intelligent species this must occur through?

When 'you', human beings, learn how to answer the question, 'Who am 'I'?', properly and correctly, then 'ALL-OF-THIS' in relation to speaking to 'you', human beings, and speaking to 'that' which is throughout ALL, and PERFECT, will be much better 'understood' and 'reasoned'.

Who do you think is speaking, and who is that one speaking to?

WHY do 'you', "lacewing", and some "other" human beings make the ASSUMPTION and/or JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION that I see a 'problem' with the suffering of children?

Oh, you don't? Okay.

I ALREADY HAVE what will make and create EVER-LASTING peace and happiness here, in this Life. Therefore, there is NO 'problem'.

Ah... as long as you think you know the solution, then there's no problem.

However, if you do NOT see a 'problem' with the suffering of children, then I would sadly suggest that you are NOT looking hard enough or NOT looking at all.

But like you, I don't think there's a problem either. Do my reasons have to be your reasons?

Maybe you're misunderstanding it.

What is the 'it' here?

The word "it" isn't really needed. The phrase "maybe you're misunderstanding" is good enough. You can read it alongside the other text it was next to. I'm not going to repeat everything for you here.

Do you think that children have no greater power/influence/essence than their small physical presence?

To me, there is One, and understand this ONLY One True power/influence/essence. This One is within EVERY thing, or as you said, 'throughout ALL'.

Then that includes adults and children equally. Essence is manifesting through all of the forms.

This Essence, however, sadly and unfortunately, can NOT transfer this power and influence onto those who do NOT listen NOR hear It.

Hmm. Your idea of essence sounds pretty weak and contrived to me. I think you're creating a story as it suits you.

I remember feeling very in-tune when I came into this world, regardless of what the adults were doing.

For you to have consciously felt that at such a young age I think is a very special and unique experience, which I would have dearly LOVED to have experienced. But, sadly, most children are NOT allowed to feel NOR experience that 'in-tune' feeling with this One and ONLY Universe, or Life, Itself.

I didn't need to be "allowed", I just felt it and was aware of it. I wasn't even speaking yet. My environment was somewhat hostile and unpredictable. As I've said before, I sensed that the adults didn't know what they were doing. So they were not impeding me. They were challenges to face... that's all. And as I grew, I saw that they were more like children themselves. Lost, frightened, etc. I felt compassion for them, and tried to reassure them at various times throughout my life. But I also recognized that they were part of the same stuff I was part of, and their journeys were their own. Sacred... although not the paths or characteristics I would choose.

Most children are very quickly taught, and thus learn, to be associated with the 'world', culture and customs, that they are being brought up in and are FORCED to follow and adhere to the rules and customs of that 'world', culture and custom.

I don't think you give children or adults enough credit. They are the same essence and beings going through the motions as humans in their own ways -- and it's beautiful, not tragic. We all do it... and we are beautiful in our essence. The human life can be grueling... but that's a fantastic opportunity to be creative.

There was a sense of being part of something greater.

This 'greater' is STILL 'within' ALL of 'us'. It NEVER leaves.

It's who we are -- there is nothing to leave.

It just gets replaced with, as you would say, "the noise", from the current 'world', culture and custom, in which one is living in.

I don't think it's replaced... I think it can be clouded or veiled. It can still function. Essence can come forth in an instant, in all varying degrees of clarity. When people come together and bring it out in each other, it's brilliant. It doesn't require effort -- it's natural. Rather, we cover it up so that we can have this convincing theater for awhile.

Children know it's make-believe and love to play. Adults tend to take it seriously. That's the only difference, I think.

to feel, or have a sense of, being a part of It, and NOT apart from It, is a Truly wonderful feeling to experience and sense.

Yes, it is. And to have a sense that EVERYTHING is a part of it, and NOT apart from it, is a truly wonderful feeling to experience and sense.

You've asked some other questions in your response... but I think you're over-complicating some things and I have no desire to spend time on that.

To me, from a larger perspective, everything appears to be a non-serious interplay of possibilities, of the same energy. Judgments about it are human.

To me, 'judgments' about ANY thing are also 'human' only. And, 'from the larger perspective', Life is very simple and easy and is just about living and having fun, or enjoying, and NOT to be taken seriously. Any thing else is just human construct, of which by the year that this is being written in it should be CLEARLY OBVIOUS that the possibility of human construct, with the Truly OPEN Mind, as they say, is endless. However, in saying all of that, I also take the abuse of children VERY SERIOUS. What adults do to themselves is of NO real concern to me,

Who is "I" and "me" (in the section I've underlined)? Age? So, NOT the larger perspective.

If you cannot see perfection in all, then you have some kind of human-held thought interference which is limited.

as they are, supposed, to be "old enough" already KNOW BETTER to NOT be "affected" by what "others" do to them.

Why would a human's age be an indicator of what they should know and be affected by? Have you even had much experience with humans? They are all over the map! Many adults still seem like scared and foolish children. But you do not care about their suffering?

Children are completely different as they did NOT choose to come into this life

How do you know what essence "chooses"?

And, according to your logic, adults who were once children didn't choose to come into this life either, right?

The Essence within, or throughout, ALL, is thee One that does NOT want children to suffer.

What makes you think there is any "wanting"?

Ask any child, or any one when they were a child, if they want/wanted to suffer?

Of course you'll get an answer from humans: they LIVE in a realm/reality of wanting and feeling. Why would essence have any such notions?

The 'things', which are in 'agreement' with EVERY 'one', are the 'things' that are aligned with PERFECTION, and which thee True Self, thee Essence within or throughout ALL, says, 'It is this way'.

How can one agree with itself? Are the parts somehow being and acting separately from the one? Is that why you think the parts must agree? Do the waves of the ocean need to ebb and flow in a certain way in order to be in alignment with perfection? Is perfection how anyone thinks things should or need to be, or is perfection how things actually are?

[Age]

You don't have to say it at all. It is simply what you think. It doesn't matter. What you think is no more important than what anyone else thinks.

This is like saying; "You have a right to your own beliefs", which is just downright WRONG and STUPID.
Does an adult human being have a right to their own beliefs if those beliefs include abusing children or "others"?

You asked how many times you have to say and explain... and I answered that you don't have to say it at all. Do you think you have to say it?

What I asked was; How many times do I have to say an explain ... [some thing] BEFORE this is comprehended and gets fully understood?

You did NOT answer the question. You responded to the question, which is HUGE DIFFERENCE. You then asked me; Do I think I have to say it?

The answer is NO. Do you think you have to say what you do?

Also, if you want to become Honest and have a philosophical discussion, thus want to ANSWER my questions, then just let me know.

Remember you asked me a question, I then answered it. I then asked you the clarifying question in regards to how many times do I have to tell you the same thing and explain that exact same thing that I did, BEFORE what I have previously said, explained, and answered to your clarifying question, is comprehended, and gets fully understood.

Do you really believe that some thoughts have absolutely no more importance than other thoughts do?

Ultimately, for the larger perspective.

LOOK AT the question I asked, and then LOOK AT how you RESPOND to it.

How does what you wrote here apply to my question to you?

It all seems to be coming from the same place and is all connected... so what we're doing here is just dancing and making some noise on a stage (some, much more than others).

Okay this is what you think or believe is true.

Now, this is YOUR dance and YOUR NOISE. Okay. I can SEE and HEAR this.

But, if I was to ask you a clarifying question in regards to what is this 'same place', which you mention, will you elaborate on this at all?

Also, what is this, so called, "larger perspective", which it appears you believe that some thoughts have no more importance than other thoughts do in relation to this "larger perspective", whatever that means to you?

And, how can ALL thoughts come from the 'same place' and how are they ALL connected? Will you explain fully what it is that you talk about here?

I have said all along; Absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer, which means that what views are being expressed are being spoken in of 'how 'it' appears to that one'.

Good. Then you can refer back to that when you think you are speaking of anything other than that.

BUT, I NEVER think I am speaking of anything other than that.

This is SOLELY your own ASSUMING, here.

You have continually SHOWN that you keep assuming and believing that I am speaking of anything other than that. Even though I have keep telling you Absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer. Now, can you provide absolutely ANY evidence at all where I have, supposedly, spoke other than that?

If you CAN, then WILL you?

If you CAN and WILL, then I would LOVE to SEE it.

Perhaps you haven't yet comprehended what ELSE you know unconsciously, and so YOU don't fully understand it, in the time that this is written.

OBVIOUSLY, and OF COURSE, I have NOT YET comprehended what ELSE I know unconsciously. It is, after all, STILL 'unconsciously' KNOWN. Why would this appear to be funny to you?

Why would you NOT see how funny this is?

But I am SEEING just how funny this REALLY IS. I am the one clarifying that one can NOT YET comprehend what is 'unconsciously KNOWN'. 'you', "lacewing", is the one suggesting that it could even be possible.

Some are now wondering if 'you' can even SEE the irony of this?

you've simply not explained much of anything -- that's the truth.

OF COURSE IT IS. I have ACTUALLY SAID and POINTED OUT, many times ALREADY, that I am NOT here in this forum to explain much about anything. Unless of course I am asked specific clarifying questions, then I will EXPLAIN EVERY thing, regarding those questions.

Specific clarifying questions according to your relative observer position.

What do you find so funny?

If you want to KNOW what my specific thoughts and views are, then just ask me specific clarifying questions.

Such a convenient excuse for not producing anything.

Listen: IF you ask me specific clarifying questions, then, unlike you, I will answer them.

If, however, you do NOT ask these questions, then do NOT expect me to produce ANY thing, for you.

I KNOW what 'it' IS that I want to share and express. But I am in absolutely NO hurry at all to do so. I have also made it KNOW, specifically, that this forum is NOT the place where I am going to share and express 'that'. I am on here for another reason.

You are free to explain anything you think you understand that you think is worth explaining.

OBVIOUSLY.

Your failure to do so is a reflection of your own lack of understanding and ability --

That is SOLELY your OWN ASSUMPTION. What you ASSUME does NOT necessarily reflect thee actual Truth of this. Thank you for MORE of your ASSUMPTIONS. This kind of EVIDENCE is great.

NOT a reflection of people not asking you the right questions.

WHY did you use the term 'right question' here, now? I have NEVER used that term.

People NOT asking me 'clarifying' questions, is a reflection of their disinterest and lack of inquisitiveness, and/or their assumptions and beliefs.

And nobody gives a crap about your claims that you'll explain something someday, somewhere.

GREAT. And, if this was even somewhat true, then "nobody", at all, would be bringing this up nor mentioning it, AT ALL. However, the opposite can be CLEARLY SEEN.

You've said you WILL...

YES I HAVE. So, this is CLEAR EVIDENCE of what I intend to do ONE DAY, SOMEWHERE.

Your evidence and intention are meaningless. What are you capable of right now?

WHEN will you comprehend and fully understand that I am here, in this forum, to LEARN SOME THING, and what I have said I will do is of ABSOLUTELY NO IMPORTANCE AT ALL.

You are right in that what I intend to do is completely meaningless, to you. So, why not just completely forget it or just completely ignore it, at least?

What I am capable of right now is LEARNING, which would be of absolutely NO real importance at all, to you, nor anyone else here.

However, if any one has the slightest bit of interest in what I want to share and express, one day, then I will recognize them when, and IF, they happen to come along in the meantime, while I am here in this forum. Until then I will just continue doing what I really came here for.

The ONLY barrier to my revelations, is my lack of being able to communicate with 'you', human beings, succinctly and fully.

We're more than human beings, don't you know? [/quote]

I do not yet know what you are talking about there. This is because I do not yet know who and/or what is this 'we' you are referring to here, which you say is more than human beings?

So, who and/or what is this 'we', which you are referring to here?

If you do NOT clarify this, then I will still not know.

By the way, If 'you', human beings, do NOT YET KNOW how to live in peace and harmony together as One, in the days of when this is being written, then I would suggest that there is actually a 'need' to enlighten 'you', human beings, to SOME thing.

"Need" is a human idea.

So is EVERY other word and/or idea.

Or, are you 'trying to' suggest that there are some words or ideas that are NOT a human idea?

If you are, then will you say what they are, and where they came from?

But if no, then there is NO 'need' for 'you' to come on here and enlighten any one of any thing as well.

I'm entertained by it.

Okay.

I don't think there's a need.

So, we agree. We both think there is absolutely NO 'need' at all for 'you' to come on this forum and enlighten any one of any thing, correct?

That does not sound true at all.

WHY make an ASSUMPTION, jump to a conclusion, and feel the 'need' to enlighten me to what you think, or believe, is true?

Why are you making assumptions about me?

Are you suggesting that you did not make an ASSUMPTION, jump to a conclusion, nor feel the 'need' to enlighten me to what you think, or believe, was true?

If yes, then okay.

But, if you made an ASSUMPTION, jumped to a conclusion, or felt the 'need' to enlighten me to what you thought, or believed, was true, then I am NOT making an assumption about you.

Why don't you just explain further what you're referring to by claiming: "EVERY human being shares the EXACT SAME childhood experiences"?

Why I have not explained further regarding that is because NO one has asked me to.

BUT, adults just do NOT YET KNOW how to access this KNOWLEDGE that is ALREADY WITHIN them.

If that is what you think, then that is all you see.

This is so far from thee actual Truth of things that you could not get any further away or any further opposite.

I have ALREADY EXPLAINED the difference between the words 'think' and 'believe', from my perspective, which when KNOWN EXPLAINS FULLY how and why you are so far from thee actual Truth of things here.

It does not accurately reflect how it is for other beings.

How would you KNOW, when I have NOT YET expressed ALL I have to express regarding this, AND, especially when you have NOT even bothered to clarify what I actually meant by this?

Or, are you ASSUMING what I meant by this?

Also, if 'it' does not accurately reflect how it is for other beings, then how do these "other adult beings" ACCESS 'this knowledge'?

By the way, what is 'this knowledge' to you, which I have referred to, and which you made your response in relation to?

It could be argued that 'you' do NOT recognize what it is that I am actually saying, AND MEANING, as you are frequently focusing on the "noise", which, by the way, on most parts is NOT even there, but is of your own making.

Of course I try to see what you're actually saying despite all your noise --

But there is NO actual evidence of this. So, if you are, supposedly, doing this, then will you provide actual evidence of when or even of how you 'try to' 'see' what I am actually saying?

How do you 'try'? By GUESSING and ASSUMING, or by some other means?

If it is by some other means, then by what other means are they EXACTLY?

but it's a lot of noise.

If this is what you BELIEVE, then this IS what you WILL SEE, and HEAR.

By the way, if you do NOT CHECK, through CLARIFICATION, then it is ONLY an ASSUMPTION of yours. Until you KNOW, you are essentially ONLY GUESSING.

You seem oblivious of it, probably because you're so used to it.

Or, there might be ANOTHER actual and True reason WHY I seem oblivious to the, so called, "it".

But the WHOLE POINT of what it is that I WILL share AND explain IS; For the time being I have absolutely NO interest in the Right and Good ALL adult human beings do. It is ONLY the WRONG and BAD that ALL adult human beings do

Wrong and bad are human judgments/ideas.

OF COURSE THEY ARE.

What else could ANY one think they could be?

What else do you think or imagine they could be?

You seem to forget or struggle with understanding and accepting the greater perfection of everything,

Do I?

If you want to CLAIM such a thing, then that would MEAN that you actually 'understand' and 'accept' the, so called, "greater perfection of everything". So, will you now PROVE how you, supposedly, 'understand' and 'accept' the "greater perfection of everything"?

How about you start this by explaining WHAT the "greater perfection of everything" actually is, to you?

See, what might be uncovered and discovered is that is actually YOUR OWN ASSUMPTIONS, which is leading this to appear to you.

as you wrestle with certain human judgments/ideas.

Once again, ANOTHER CLAIM of yours made about 'me'. So, what do you now allege that I am, supposedly, actually "wrestling with".

See, until you CLARIFY what 'it' IS that you are actually talking about, or referring to, then we can NOT see what you actually mean. Therefore, we can NOT discuss 'it'. Until I KNOW what 'it' is you refer to, I OBVIOUSLY do NOT KNOW what you are talking about. But some people do use this tactic, unconsciously and/or unknowingly, in order to NOT have a discussion because of the actual outcome that would be REVEALED.

Evidenced by the way you vacillate between speaking as if you are separate from humans, and speaking from a limited human perspective.

How many times do I NEED to inform you that from my perspective the 'you' is NOT separate from human beings, BEFORE you comprehend and FULLY understand this?

Also, if this is what APPEARS to 'you', then that is NOT 'evidence' NOR 'proof' that I, supposedly, wrestle with certain human judgments/ideas.

To prove this, you HAVE TO provide examples, and then EXPLAIN your reasons for WHY you think or believe that this is true. THEN, we will have to SEE if your "reasons" are actually logical or not. Also, your reasons HAVE TO be based on what I ACTUALLY MEANT and not just based on what you ASSUMED I meant, understood?

ALL of the GOOD done by ALL adults is ALREADY recognized by me, but just focusing on that is what just about ALL adults solely want to focus on, and this is WHY adult, human beings, do NOT seriously want to, NOR actually do, change for the better.

Are you aware of how much shit you make up to justify the stupid things you claim?

Are you aware that I OBSERVED, RECOGNIZED, and SEEN/UNDERSTOOD these things, BEFORE I make the, so called, "stupid", claims?

From what you have written here you appear NOT TO BE.

So, to answer your question I do NOT and am NOT making up any thing AFTER the claims I make. If you are UNAWARE I have said that I can back up and support EVERY thing I have said and claimed on this forum. This is because I ALREADY HAD ALL of the EVIDENCE and PROOF to back up and support ALL of what I say and claim on this forum. In fact I ALREADY HAVE ALL of the EVIDENCE and PROOF I NEED in order, which will back up and support in ALL I want to express and share, one day.

I just NEED to learn how to communicate better with 'you', human beings, BEFORE I express AND share.

This is probably why you don't want to explain anything when asked --

It "might" be for that reason, but it is NOT. That is just your ASSUMPTION.

I ALREADY KNOW the reason WHY I do NOT want to explain the, so called, "anything when asked".

By the way, when, and IF, our writings are actually looked back over, then just how much actual clarifying question is asked of me will be SEEN, then what will also be NOTICED is just how much of 'it' I actually answer AND explain.

Your OBVIOUS over exaggeration of "don't want to explain anything when asked" speaks for itself.

because your explanations show how limited and skewed you are.

If that is what you BELIEVE, (remember also without CLARIFYING), then that is what YOU WILL SEE.

By the way, if we want to TALK ABOUT and LOOK AT 'limitation' and 'skewered', then let US take a LOOK AT your sentence here. In the first part of your sentence you make the claim that I do NOT want to explain ANY thing when asked, which, if this was true, then would HAVE TO BE based on the FACT that I have NEVER explained ANY thing when asked. But if we now move on to LOOKING AT the second part of your sentence it can be seen that you make the claim that my explanations show some thing. So, HOW can you have TWO completely skewered, limited, AND contradictory views in just one sentence of yours?

Will you CLEAR this up for US?

By the way, do not forget that I have repeatedly said that I am NOT here in this forum to explain ANY thing, unless, of course, I am ask specifically to do so through clarifying questions.

You are telling a story over and over to yourself, and that story becomes your whole purpose and identity, so you maintain it by creating whatever noise and unconsciousness is needed to do so.

Do 'you' do this? Or, is it only "others" who do this?

We all tell stories and commit ourselves to them in varying ways and to varying degrees.

IF WE LOOK AT my question, it asks, very specifically; Do 'you' do this?

Yes or No?

Some people, such as yourself, seem to become especially entrenched in their stories/missions which often cast themselves as being uniquely 'more knowing' than other humans.

And NOTICE the instant dismissal of the ACTUAL question, and the extremely quick deflection from looking at one's own self and almost instantly changing the perspective to look at an "other".

It appears to be a fairly common psychosis exhibited on Philosophy forums.

But NOT by 'you', correct? It is only "commonly" done by "others", correct?

Talk about NOT looking at one's self, and looking at "others" AND the judging of "them".

My journey is to just explain HOW it is possible to gain True and FULL 'understanding' and 'awareness'.

Have fun fantasizing about what is relative for you.

Okay. And, you also have fun fantasizing about whatever it is that you fantasize about.

Oh, and by the way, do you think and/or BELIEVE that I can NOT do what I said my journey is?

If it is, then what are you basing this on, EXACTLY?

"Other's" journey is to have and show absolutely NO interest in this at all, "other's" journey is say that this is IMPOSSIBLE, while "other's" journeys are to point out that there is NOT just one way.

People may not be interested in doing things your way.

VERY TRUE, they MAY NOT. But they also MAY. In fact they MAY BE EXTREMELY INTERESTED, when, and if, they ever get to here 'it'.

Also, when they SEE who the 'I' actually IS, then I KNOW they will be EXTREMELY interested in My way.

Because you have been SO AFFECTED, by, and from, your past experiences, you REALLY can NOT see ANY thing other than what has AFFECTED you SO MUCH.

For all 'you' know there is actually ONLY One way, AND 'that way' is 'My way', which is unfolding before US right now, which would really drive 'you' insane to find out and discover IS thee actual Truth of things, correct?

Or, are you so far under a BELIEF that this could NOT ever even be a POSSIBILITY in 'your world'?

Is 'your way', that there is NOT 'one way' the REALLY ONLY TRUE WAY?

People may not be interested in doing things 'your way' BECAUSE 'your, divisive, way' is 'the way' that actually caused this 'war-torn, greedy, polluted, and stressful world', which 'you' are ALL living in now, when this is being written.

'The One AGREED UPON way' is what WILL UNITE US, as One, and which is OBVIOUSLY what WILL bring about EVER-LASTING PEACE, and HARMONY.

I am pretty SURE what 'you' will find is MORE people are EXTREMELY interested in 'this way' of living when HOW it is possible is learned and understood.


I will respond to the rest latter.

[Lacewing]

...

Age, as has happened many times before, when you misunderstand what I say, you distort it into various weird directions with whatever kind of thinking you use. That's the noise you create. And I see no need or value in wading through so much of your noise to show you clarity/truth about what has been communicated.

At times I am entertained by responding to you. Other times, like now, I have no interest.

Maybe another time.

[Dontaskme]

Latest Age Post:

The post that was a thousand miles long.

WoW!!!



To think all that came pouring out of a meatball.

Just WoW!

[Dontaskme]

[Age]

Just like we do NOT 'need' you to explain any thing in 'your way'.

But, if people do NOT express and share their views, then they can NOT have them critiqued and/or discredit nor have them agreed with and/or accepted.

Also, are you suggesting that I share my views, in 'your way' and not in 'my way'?

I'm just giving you feedback, Age, on the things you say and claim.

Okay, but just remember what I say in this forum is NOT necessarily what I want to share, eventually. Also, do not forget that you consistently misinterpret what I am actually claiming, some times, and so at those times misconstrue what 'it' actually IS that I am actually claiming, and thus you do NOT YET fully understand what I am actually claiming, okay?

I'm not asking you to think the way I do.

I NEVER thought you were.

I'm saying that your claims about "adults" and "children" and all the other relative and skewed ideas you come up with, are not true for everyone else.

Okay.

And I might also say back to you that your claims about all your skewered ideas that you come up with, are not true for everyone "else" either.

But, since JUST LIKE 'YOU', I have NOT YET CLARIFIED FULLY what your seemingly 'skewered ideas' ARE, then I would only be BASING this off of ASSUMPTIONS, ONLY. So, will NOT say the same back to you.

It is typical for you to blame others for not understanding what you're saying even though you admit that you're not trying to explain anything.

So, where is the ACTUAL EVIDENCE, which REVEALS that I, 'typically', "blame others" for not understanding what I am saying.

From what I recall I have specifically made it KNOWN that the VERY and SOLE reason WHY I am NOT YET being FULLY understood is because of my lack of knowledge in being able to communicate with 'you', human beings, FULLY, concisely and succinctly.

It's a big joke: an apparent fantasy you are playing which blames all of us humans and adults for blah, blah, blah whatever grievances you have from when you were a child -- over and over, and you have failed to explain it as anything other than that.

'you' writing, "blah, blah, blah, in relation to what I have have said and written, more or less explains FULLY my interpretation that 'you' are NOT YET FULLY understanding 'me'.

Also, if this is what you SEE and BELIEVE, then I do NOT want to explain it as anything other than that.

I WANT 'you' to carry on SEEING and BELIEVING what you do now.

You can share what you think you know, but the world is not doomed or failed if you don't.

How do 'you' KNOW this?

Because your view is relative... and there is vastly more involved, in addition and in contrast.

I would ask you to elaborate on this and explain what IS vastly more involved, in addition and in contrast, but going solely off past experiences with you, you could NOT and so would NOT anyway.

Also, have 'you' EVER considered; what if 'My' view is the EXACT SAME as EVERY one "else's" view IS?

That view would still be 'relative', with nothing at all more involved, correct?

I think the greatest mistake anyone can make is to deny that the same essence is throughout all, regardless of the form it takes.

I have been CLEARLY STATING that what 'it' IS that 'we' ALL agree with is what will unite us, which in turns is what leads EVERY one to a living a Truly peaceful and harmonious life as One. Obviously this INFERS that there is the SAME 'essence' throughout ALL.

Why would the same essence require agreement?

'I', thee Essence throughout ALL, do NOT require agreement. Why would you ask such an obviously foolish question?

Just about EVERY sentence I make you appear to misconstrue them, and on a majority of occasions you twist and misconstrue my statements in such a distorted way that you bring about the EXACT OPPOSITE conclusion.

You are focusing on superficial separation because you have human ideas of need, and human judgments of good and bad.

But I am NOT the one focusing on these things, which, obviously, 'you' are the one focusing on here.

By the way, human beings, and their ideas AND judgments are a part of thee Essence. ALL-OF-THIS 'NEEDS' to be LOOKED AT and DISCUSSED, that is; If ANY one of 'you' WANTS to uncover AND discover what thee actual Truth of things IS.

So you are proposing, as many people do in their own ways, what is needed, and how things should be --

This is the VERY THING that I have been continually TELLING 'you' is NOT what I am proposing nor doing at all.

You talk about me talking/reacting from my past experiences, YET what you wrote here is actual PURE EVIDENCE and PROOF of exactly what you are doing.

Because of 'your' past experiences, and how they have affected you so much, you CONTINUALLY SEE in my writings what you claim here.

From just about the first contact with 'you', 'you' have been claiming that I am proposing how things "should be".

Just to let you KNOW, when you FREE 'your' 'self' from this BELIEF, then 'you' AND 'I' can have a much more OPEN and Honest discussion. Until then you will continue to ONLY SEE what you ALREADY BELIEVE is true.

as if you somehow possess some uniquely keen insight that overrules the larger perspective of perfection throughout all.

And what you are doing, right here and now, is proposing that you KNOW what the 'larger perspective of perfection throughout all' actually IS. And, by doing this, you also are, unknowingly, proposing that you KNOW what is 'needed', and how things 'should be'.

If you ever become Honest and OPEN ENOUGH, then you will discover and/or learn that the 'actual WHOLE perspective of PERFECTION, throughout ALL'
does NOT work how 'you' think and/or believe It 'needs' to NOR how 'you' think It 'should'.

Contrary to what 'you' BELIEVE, thee One WHOLE perspective of PERFECTION, throughout ALL, actually works PERFECTLY IN 'ONE WAY', ONLY.

'That' WAY ALLOWS 'you', human beings, to LOOK AT the SAME ONE thing differently, which thus ALLOWS ALL of 'you' to SEE things differently, and thus ultimately think differently.

PERFECTION works through, and by, LETTING 'you', human beings, think and/or believe that there are MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, in the Truly ONE and ONLY Universe.

We can wrestle with forms -- we can believe them to be important and real -- and/or we can enjoy them. Whatever suits/entertains you.

We KNOW this is what 'you' think. You have repeated this previously. But, in telling "others" this, what purpose does this suit you?

I find entertainment and value in expressing and exchanging ideas here.

Yet you have SHOWN, repeatedly, you only find entertainment and value in exchanging ideas AS LONG AS any one "else's" ideas are worthy of your ideas and perspectives.

I hope to hear people give feedback on the things I say.

The majority of the things that you say, in reply to what I have written, completely show a misinterpretation, a misconstruing, and/or a misunderstanding of what 'it' IS that I am actually MEANING.

Why have you repeated yourself (almost word for word) incessantly for many years, yet you still seem no more skilled at your goal of communicating?

But what I WANT to become 'skilled' in may NOT necessarily be anything at all what you are thinking or believing here.

Also, some people have repeated "them" 'self' (almost word for word) incessantly for many years, yet, to "others", they still seemed to be "insane" and NOT capable learning things. For one example, it took one person many years of repeating "them" 'self' (almost word for word) incessantly that the sun the does NOT revolve around the earth.

Also, there are MANY WAYS to explain things. To explain some things FULLY, so that they are to be understood FULLY, this is done in completely unexpected ways. For example, to SHOW and REVEAL some thing, like just HOW the Mind and the brain actually work, and how they sometimes work in COMPLETE OPPOSITION of each other, then this might be, being done, is the most unlikely AND unexpected ways. But because of how thee Mind actually works, It might use many different brains to communicate with, for example say in a philosophy forum website, so that in MANY YEARS LATER will have the ACTUAL EVIDENCE and PROOF to be able to explain FULLY to other brains, so that they can FULLY understand, just HOW things actually work.

To explain ALL-OF-THIS, FULLY, might just NEED a bit more time, and is being accomplished in a different WAY, than most YET realize.

I might be using the very words communicated by the 'you' and by the 'I' in this forum as being the EVIDENCE to REVEAL the actual GOAL of what 'it' IS that I WILL, eventually, communicate. As I continually say, 'We will just have to WAIT and SEE'.

What purpose is your repetition serving here?

For me to inform you of what specific purpose I have for my, so called, "repetition", and "that" serving me, you will have to FIRST provide the ACTUAL SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of where I have done this.

If you do NOT do this, then either you have NO actual specific examples to SHOW and REVEAL, or you just have NO real interest at all.

When 'you' discover the, proper AND correct, answer to the question, 'Who am 'I'?', then you will 'understand' the, so called, "glorifying", of thy 'Self'.

Your view and answer do not apply to me -- so you are mistaken to claim them as "proper" and "correct" for anyone but yourself.

LOL

When, and IF, 'you' discover and/or learn who and what the 'me' is in relation to who and what thee 'I' is, then you will also SEE how thee 'I' is NOT mistaken AT ALL.

Thy 'Self', if you want a hint, is the One same 'Essence'.

I don't need your "hints".

I did NOT say you did.

I said if you 'want'.

'Need' is a COMPLETELY different thing, OBVIOUSLY.

you NOT even LISTEN to what is actually being said by "others", who you ASSUME have some underlying and/or ulterior motive.

You are assuming, and you are mistaken.

Okay. But are you in any way able to PROVE this claim of yours here?

If yes, then will you?

just HOW do you, supposedly, KNOW that "presenting ANY 'thing' as some kind of sacred/divine/greater 'truth' is just another "delusion"?

Because there are countless relative versions and views and stories from the human perspective -- yet we are all of the same essence which does not require any structure/idea.

But this does NOT answer my clarifying question.

1. Just because there are countless relative versions, views, and stories from the human perspective this does NOT show NOR reveal how you supposedly KNOW that they are ALL delusions.

2. Just because thee One and ONLY Essence does NOT, supposedly, 'require' any structure/idea, this also does NOT show NOR reveal how you supposedly KNOW what you claimed here.

Also, how do you, supposedly, KNOW what thee One Essence does or does not 'require'? Could your OWN version, view, and/or story be a delusion as well, or is that just NOT possible?

And, how do you KNOW, for sure, without any doubt whatsoever, that presenting any thing that way is not even clever to use anymore? Just maybe some one might use that way to further instill an already held fear in "others", which makes them ASSUME and BELIEVE things, which may NOT even be 'truths' at all, from the outset?

It might be useful comfort or inspiration in the world depending on how it is used, but it is not clever to lord it over people as if it represents some ultimate truth.

Are you even slightly AWARE that just because some one might claim to have the ULTIMATE Truth that this in NO WAY AT ALL means that they are trying to "lord it" over ANY one.

Is it EVEN POSSIBLE for you to ALLOW some one to claim they have the ULTIMATE Truth and you be even somewhat OPEN to it? Or is this just NOT possible at all?

Does EVERY time any one uses or even remotely suggest a term like 'ultimate truth' do you ALWAYS ASSUME and/or 'jump to the conclusion' that they are trying to or wanting to "lord this" over some one?

Is it POSSIBLE that some one might just uncover the 'ultimate truth' without any necessity to, so call, "lord it" over "others"?

That is obviously in service to the person who claims to possess and deliver the "ultimate truth". Such a person is clearly not clever enough to realize that.

Just how BLINDED you have become, because of your OBVIOUS past experiences, can be CLEARLY SEEN here.

Could such a person, as the one, who BELIEVES that; 'whenever a person claims to possess and deliver the 'ultimate truth', without YET hearing 'it' FULLY, really be the NOT CLEVER one?

Is it really a clever thing to do, to propose that one who claims to have uncovered the 'ultimate truth' is not clever? Especially if the one who claims this has NOT YET even expressed the 'ultimate truth'?

Some one might use this way to present things to get "others" to expose their own ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, in order to EXPOSE just how the brain can and will only work on previous past experiences, and by its self is just NOT able to LOOK AT things from a Truly OPEN perspective?

Whatever you imagine yourself as doing is your own trip.

AND, whatever it is you imagine yourself as doing is your own trip. But, WHY express thee OBVIOUS?

You are imagining what it means.

AND, you are imagining what it means. But, SO WHAT?

People are attempting to "show" you things, as well, which you may or may not see because of your own ideas.

AND, some one is attempting to 'show' you things, which you are OBVIOUSLY NOT SEEING because of your own ideas.

This is a bit like some one was attempting to 'show' "others" that really the earth revolves around the sun and NOT the other way around, but "others" were OBVIOUSLY NOT SEEING this because of their own ideas.

We can each gather and create as we see fit.

AND, this is OBVIOUSLY TRUE. But, WHY express it?

Also, does saying to present anything in that way might only work on the "very gullible people" self-"justify" your reasons for NOT even giving what is to be presented ANY chance at all?

I've been talking with you for years -- seeing and listening intently, answering sincerely, trying all different approaches, etc.

But you could NOT be, so called, "seeing and listening intently", to 'intently', if this is what you have taken away from talking with me for years.

I have INFORMED YOU, enough times now the one and only BEST approach, which I KNOW of. But, from what you have written here is STILL appears that you are completely UNAWARE of this approach. I am NOT sure WHY you would 'try all different approaches" when I have CLEARLY described for you the BEST approach.

I've seen countless claims of people talking AT humans.

Have you really?

And, are you going to base EVERY single NEW claim of people talking AT humans on ALL of those other ones?

What happens if a NEW claim actually holds thee True, Right, and Correct knowledge?

Obviously, if you are NOT OPEN to ANY new claim, then you will OBVIOUSLY NOT discover or learn any thing new or more.

It's ridiculous. It's mentally unbalanced. It's ego-centric. And it's stupid... because it casts the "knowing one" above others who are OF THE SAME STUFF!!!

Well, OBVIOUSLY how OPEN, or CLOSED, you REALLY ARE is SHOWN and REVEALED here, LOUD AND CLEAR.

So, yes... people who fall for that are being gullible...

AND, you could NEVER "fall" for ANY thing like that, could you?

This is because you would OBVIOUSLY NEVER give 'any thing like 'that' even the remotest of chance to be expressed AND heard.

and I think humankind is evolving beyond such absurdity in large part (although we clearly still have a ways to go).

AND, just how CLOSED some human beings REALLY ARE, in the days of when this is being written, can be CLEARLY OBSERVED here.

And, the alluding to, the ones who present that way "only reveals the level of the one who uses it" is just ANOTHER WAY of degrading, ridiculing, and humiliating those ones, in front of "others", so that they feel better about themselves, and further outcasts as well.

I DO think it reveals the level of the one who does that.

Just like 'you' are REVEALING the level that 'you' are on.

You REVEAL this by doing 'that', what you continually do.

Do you want me not to say that?

Nothing could be further from thee Truth of things here.

I WANT 'you' to keep saying what 'you' are here.

I also WANT 'you' to feel completely FREE to say whatever 'it' is that you would like to express and share here.

If you don't agree with me, you can dismiss what I think.

If you also do not agree with me, then you can also obviously dismiss what I think. But, WHY point out what is OBVIOUSLY True?

It is not my intention to hurt anyone here.

It is NOT my intention to hurt anyone here ALSO.

In fact it is my intention to create peace AND harmony, here on earth, for EVERY one.

I do want to point out when people are using absurdity and dishonesty and delusion to make false claims and to project falsely onto other humans in general while they position themselves as more divinely aware than those other humans.

AND OBVIOUSLY you would FIRST 'have to' FIND OUT what 'it' IS EXACTLY that people are 'using'. In other words you would OBVIOUSLY have to FIRST FIND OUT what 'it' IS that people WANT TO express AND share BEFORE you could make such claims, which you are proposing here.

It is easy to see --

AND, as I have ALREADY POINTED OUT, what 'you', a person, ALREADY BELIEVES IS TRUE is what they WILL SEE, which, by the way, would be very 'easy' for them to see.

it masquerades as uniquely and divinely "helping/informing" humans while condemning or hating them (or seeing them as lowly) --

You REALLY DO have a very ONE WAY vision and perspective of things here.

Is this REALLY ALL you can "see"?

and I think it deserves to be called out.

Please do call things out as how 'you' "see" them.

It makes my job of EXPLAINING things here so much easier AND simpler, for me.

It is a fucked up trip that denies the perfect essence in all.

AND, what can be CLEARLY SEEN here is that 'you', "lacewing", actually BELIEVE that you KNOW HOW the 'perfect essence in all' actually works, and 'should' behave.

Some are actually SEEING and SAYING, right now, that it is actually 'you', "lacewing", who is using absurdity and dishonesty and delusion to make false claims and to project falsely onto other humans in general while they position themselves as more divinely aware than those other humans.

These ones are also actually SEEING and SAYING, right now, that it your words, "lacewing", which masquerades as uniquely and divinely "helping/informing" humans while condemning or hating them (or seeing them as lowly)

These ones are also THINKING that what 'you', "lacewing" are doing, right now, deserves to be called out.

Which they SEE as 'your' trip "lacewing" that denies the perfect essence in all.

[Lacewing]

...

Age, I do not find value in what you think and say, nor the way you say it. And (as I've told you before) when you start analyzing/claiming what you think I see/think or don't see/think, there is no truth in what you say -- it is completely what you are making up. That is very foolish, and there is no sense for me to engage with that.

[Atla]

Thanks to the tax payers, people like Age can live on welfare and spend all day writing 500 pages long posts about their special insights, and about how dumb and closed everyone else is for not listening. And still fail to demonstrate anything of substance.

[Lacewing]

I was just looking at some past posts by Bob Evenson for laughs, and I happened to see something that Ken/Age said years ago...

Anyway here are my experiences; only on reflection 'i suffered', but in the moment, as a child, i never thought i was suffering. To me that was just how life was.

In contrast to his current claims...

ALL of 'you' CAUSE the 'hell-like' conditions that children are living and suffering in 'now'.

But children ONLY 'suffer' from what 'you' adult human beings do.

Ken/Age seems to have become more fanatical and spun up over the years.

Truly, children appear to accept how life is -- and they do not think of it as suffering. It is only adults reflecting back who assign their ideas and stories and accusations onto it. In the moment -- which is where children exist -- the Universe is flowing and unfolding. It is an adventure to play with. Even if sometimes wild. This can be an interesting state of being/awareness to practice as an adult. And it seems naturally accessible for anyone to tune into any moment (if they want to) -- no stories or religions or certain steps required.

[Belinda]

Lacewing wrote:

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ruly, children appear to accept how life is -- and they do not think of it as suffering. It is only adults reflecting back who assign their ideas and stories and accusations onto it. In the moment -- which is where children exist -- the Universe is flowing and unfolding. It is an adventure to play with. Even if sometimes wild.

Children as young as five or six had to work as coal miners and the bigger ones be harnessed to coal trucks and crawl into spaces where adults could not go. Some of these children's comments have been preserved verbatim and these children judged and were able to judge what was suffering.They wished they could play instead.

[Age]

If there were no adults, life would still include suffering for children.

Will you provide any examples?

From my perspective I have NOT observed what children could possibly 'suffer' from, without adult interference.

Children have different characters, just like humans of all ages.

So, to you, all human beings of all ages have different characters. Okay.

Some are brave, some are fearful, some are happy, some cry a lot, etc. They encounter injury and experience fear just like any living creature.

But, as I have already proposed children do NOT 'suffer' from an 'injury' nor an experience of 'fear'.

They may also experience rejection or cruelty or insecurity from being around other children.

This, as I was pointing out, is the result of adults doing, and more specifically adults WRONG doing.

Depending on their character, they may handle this in many different ways.

Children may handle 'what' EXACTLY in many different ways.

From my perspective ALL human beings, children AND adults, handle ALL 'things' in many different ways.

Although it may be true that children in general are more spiritual or pure, they are still human with varying characteristics regardless of the families they are born into.

But what is 'it' EXACTLY that makes children 'human', to you?

If, for example, children were brought up differently, then could they be some thing other than 'human'?

Likewise, adult's characters are varied regardless of the experiences/lives they've had.

And, what actual EVIDENCE and/or PROOF do you have for this claim?

To think that a simple, sweet, loving life -- or a horrific, traumatic life -- produces a certain kind of human is very simplistic thinking.

So, WHY was it 'you' then, that had this simplistic thinking?

I have NOT seen anyone "else" express this simplistic thinking here.

It appears to me that there is much more in play in humans of all ages.

Like 'what' EXACTLY, for example?

Do you think it is a single, static, non-expanding knowing/understanding? If understanding is something you have found "already", is there no further understanding?

A part of True 'understanding' is KNOWING that there is always MORE to learn, and thus MORE to understand as well.

Then what is it actually that you have found?

In regards to 'what' EXACTLY?

A piece of understanding?

Is there even such a thing as a "piece of understanding"?

If yes, then what is 'it'?

But if no, then WHY ask such a question?

So why would 'being human' be all there is in regard to anyone else?

I do not understand this question at all.

Age is not the only human that essence speaks through.

Obviously not. And, this is what I have been saying, and expressing, all along.

Remember, I have been saying 'that', what EVERY one agrees with and accepts is thee actual Truth of things.

What the Essence KNOWS, and is saying to, and/or through, EVERY one, could ONLY BE 'that', what EVERY one agrees with and accepts as True. EVERY thing else is just an individual's perspective of things, which may or may not be true, right, and correct, or not.

Essence animates and speaks through all humans and all life.

Does ANY 'one' disagree with this and/or not accept this?

If no, then this is thee actual Truth of things, obviously.

However, if any one does disagrees with this or does not accept this, then what EVIDENCE, PROOF, and/or sound, logical reasoning do they have for their view?

Instead of speaking to "you humans", why don't you speak to that which is throughout all? That which is perfect.

That One ALREADY KNOWS what is happening.

So is that one talking to itself?

To me, 'one' is an individual thing, of the One Universe/ALL-THERE-IS.

'you' is 'one' of the individual things of ALL.

To me, the 'one' here is speaking to ANY 'one' that WANTS to listen. Thee 'One' hears, and responds. But, if this 'one' WANTS to listen is another matter. And, even when 'one' WANTS to listen how much 'it' actually HEARS, and does NOT misinterpret and misconstrue is another matter.

If 'you' REALLY WANT to have a Truly OPEN and Honest discussion, then let 'us' proceed.

'you', the one known here as "lacewing", informed 'me', the one known here as "age", and asked, "Instead of speaking to "you humans", why don't you speak to that which is throughout all?"

Now, because you proposed and asked this to 'me', can 'I' clarify with 'you' who and/or what is the 'you', you were referring to here, and who and/or what is 'that', which is throughout all, which you were referring to also?

See, once 'you' FULLY understand who and what these different things are EXACTLY, then 'you' will understand who and what is speaking AND listening.

Who ELSE is there to talk to?

There are the different and individual human beings. There other the "other" life forms, like the "other" animals and/or the plants/vegetation, or the "other" forms of life, in whatever form they are in, which is who "else" there is to talk to.

'you' are FREE to talk with ANY life form as so may please 'you'.

That one is ALL, yes?

No. 'one' is NOT ALL. But, 'One' is ALL. 'One' is ALL, in the sense of EVERY 'one' combined.

That 'one' is NOT ALL. As EVERY 'one' is just an individual part of that 'One', which is ALL.

What individual 'one's' view and think is NOT necessarily aligned with what thee 'One' observes and KNOWS.

See, that which is PERFECT and throughout ALL, actually 'needs' a species to evolve with enough intelligence for Its Self to become KNOWN.

How do you know this?

From what i have experienced, and observed. And, to EXPLAIN all-of-this, so that it is FULLY understood is what i am in the process of learning how to communicate better.

Why would all-that-is be a 'self'?

No one is saying that it HAS TO BE.

I hope it is FULLY understood by now, that the views that I want to express and share and NOT expressed as though they are true and right. They will ONLY be expressed as this is ONLY what this 'one', human being, has experienced and observed, from its own individual different past experiences, but which appear to this 'one' as being some of the answers, which some "others" of 'you' have been seeking for millennia.

The views expressed are in NO WAY being proposed as being correct in any way, shape, nor form, but are only going to be proposed as IF 'you' can SEE just HOW I obtained this perspective of things, from the experiences that I was so fortunate to have experienced, then I am just curious to LEARN, when LOOKED AT from this perspective does this or could this help in anyway provide closure to some of the seemingly unanswerable questions?

If the answer ends up being No, then okay. And,

If the answer ends up being Yes, then okay also.

From my perspective, from my past experiences, what I am observing is that the, "seemingly", endless of task of KNOWING Thy Self is just thee Universe, Its Self, or Life, Itself, which is just also known as Essence, Itself, which is animated and speaks through all humans and all life, is just in the process of KNOWING Its 'Self'. This, 'I' say, Can be explained AND understood in very simple and very easy terms.

Why would there be any need for being known?

Is not one of the natural traits of the human being to learn, and to understand, and thus TO KNOW?

This may NOT be about to be 'known', but rather to just 'know', through learning. Is it not a human quest, 'to know'?

Does not EVERY near born human being 'want' to be heard, recognized and accepted for who they Truly ARE?

Could it be that 'Life', the animated Essence within EVERY 'one', 'wants' to be animated or listened to as much as It could be, so that 'It' will be recognized and accepted for what 'It' Truly IS?

There may not be a 'need' for this, but what purpose would there be for Life, Itself, or for living, itself, if the 'you', or 'I', were NEVER recognized nor EVER 'known'?

'Known' seems meaningless beyond the human reality.

Is this coming from a human being, or from some thing "else"?

How is the, so called, "human reality" different from the actual 'Reality', Itself?

Also, and as I have been pointing out, 'that', which is PERFECT, and the Essence, throughout ALL, ALREADY KNOWS. So, 'known', in that sense, is meaningless. That is; if 'it' is ALREADY KNOWN, then 'known', itself, is meaningless.

For 'It' to KNOW thy Self can not happen until an intelligent enough species, like the human being, to evolve

Do you think human beings are the intelligent species this must occur through?

You appear to really like adding the words 'must' and 'need' into or onto My sentences, when I have OBVIOUSLY NEVER used those words.

Now, NO. I do NOT think human beings are the intelligent species this "must" occur through.

If thee Truth be KNOWN, the adult human being, at times, still falls VERY SHORT of providing evidence for the human being to be an intelligent species. However, WITHIN the adult human being the ability to learn, understand, and reason is still there, just like it was when they were born.

Also, and to make this VERY CLEAR, because of HOW thee Universe, Itself, is eternal AND infinite, there could have been countless of times that an intelligent ENOUGH species have evolved to uncover the Truth of Thy Self'. BUT, that/those species could have also easily carried on with there old WRONG behaviors and wiped their One and ONLY home and/or themselves out completely. OR, they could still be living, but just in another part of this One and ONLY Universe, and either continually evolving learning and understanding more and/or anew and moving towards living in peace and harmony with 'one' "another', or, ALREADY be living in in 'world peace' as 'One'.

See, to me, human beings are NOT more special than ANY other living thing IS. Human beings are just 'one' species, which has evolved into being because of and from EVERY other 'thing' BEFORE it.

Human beings CAN BE the intelligent ENOUGH species, which 'Life', Itself, comes to KNOW thy 'Self' through. Or, human beings CAN BE a pretty stupid lot, which means they could wipe themselves out completely, BEFORE realizing the True BEAUTY of what recognizing, and accepting, of one's True Self and what can be could CREATED, and the actual life which that could have unfolded before their eyes, just like ANY other, supposed, 'intelligent enough' species.

Life, Itself, is "designed", or, works in a way in which It is continually evolving. Therefore, An 'intelligent enough' species will, "always", be coming into Existence. Whatever the name of that species is of absolutely NO REAL importance, but A species will be created, which thy Self can be KNOWN by, and through. If that species just happens to be known as the 'human beings' species, then so be it. But, it is CERTAINLY NOT a 'must' that uncovering and KNOWING thy 'Self' occurs by, and through, the species, 'human being'.

When 'you', human beings, learn how to answer the question, 'Who am 'I'?', properly and correctly, then 'ALL-OF-THIS' in relation to speaking to 'you', human beings, and speaking to 'that' which is throughout ALL, and PERFECT, will be much better 'understood' and 'reasoned'.

Who do you think is speaking, and who is that one speaking to?

WHERE and WHEN?

Obviously at different times there are different 'ones' speaking, and speaking to.

Remember, if you WANT specific answers, then you just 'have to' ask specific questions.

WHY do 'you', "lacewing", and some "other" human beings make the ASSUMPTION and/or JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION that I see a 'problem' with the suffering of children?

Oh, you don't? Okay.

WHY do 'you', "lacewing", now make the ASSUMPTION and/or JUMPED TO THE CONCLUSION that I do NOT see a 'problem' with the suffering of children.

How many times do I have to suggest that if you want to KNOW thee Truth of things, then it is far simpler, easier, and quicker to find this KNOWING when you are NOT assuming and/or believing ANY thing at all.

Also, notice how you, seemingly, asked ME a clarifying question, but 'you', 'your' 'self', JUMPED IN and answered it?

I SEE a VERY BIG 'problem' with the suffering of children, which was and is CAUSED and CREATED solely by 'you', adult human beings. BUT, I also KNOW the SOLUTION, and thus thee Answer, to this 'problem'.

I ALREADY HAVE what will make and create EVER-LASTING peace and happiness here, in this Life. Therefore, there is NO 'problem'.

Ah... as long as you think you know the solution, then there's no problem.

Even though I KNOW thee Answer, and thus thee SOLUTION, to this, and ALL of human being's created 'problems', 'problems' are still caused and created by human beings.

However, if you do NOT see a 'problem' with the suffering of children, then I would sadly suggest that you are NOT looking hard enough or NOT looking at all.

But like you, I don't think there's a problem either. Do my reasons have to be your reasons?[/quote]

But what "see" in regards to 'me' are ONLY your ASSUMPTIONS, and NOT necessarily true at all.

See, unlike you I do SEE and THINK there is a 'problem' with 'you, adult human beings, causing the suffering of children.

If you do NOT think there absolutely any problem at all with the suffering of children, for example when they are being abused and are starving to death, then so be it. If you think there is NO problem here, then there is obviously NOTHING for you to do to even try to alleviate this suffering of children.

As you say, this is ALL 'entertainment' to you. So, it could be argued and/or said that you actually enjoy watching and observing the suffering of children.

Maybe you're misunderstanding it.

What is the 'it' here?

The word "it" isn't really needed.

I KNOW the word 'it' is NOT really needed. So, WHY would you say such a thing?

In fact, if you did NOT use the 'it' word, and instead replaced with what you actually MEANT, then that would have actually PROVED just HOW the 'it' word was NOT really needed AT ALL.

The phrase "maybe you're misunderstanding" is good enough.

LOL. That is one way of getting out of CLARIFYING and/or DEFLECTING AWAY from the fact that you do NOT even know what the 'it' word, which you used was actually referring to.

You can read it alongside the other text it was next to. I'm not going to repeat everything for you here.

But I do NOT want you to repeat ANY thing at all here. I just want you to be CLEAR about what 'it' is that you are actually talking about, and meaning.

Is this too much to ask for, especially in a philosophy forum?

If you can not or will not CLARIFY, then so be it. But, do NOT expect "others" to understand 'you' FULLY.

Do you think that children have no greater power/influence/essence than their small physical presence?

To me, there is One, and understand this ONLY One True power/influence/essence. This One is within EVERY thing, or as you said, 'throughout ALL'.

Then that includes adults and children equally.

Yes, that includes adults and children of the human species EQUALLY, AND EVERY thing else as well EQUALLY, also.

Essence is manifesting through all of the forms.

Yes, to me, Essence is manifesting, or Self-actualizing, through ALL of the different and varied 'perceived forms'.

Essence comes to KNOW Its Self, and comes to be Self-actualized, through Its One and ONLY True form, which is; Thee Universe, Itself.

This Essence, however, sadly and unfortunately, can NOT transfer this power and influence onto those who do NOT listen NOR hear It.

Hmm. Your idea of essence sounds pretty weak and contrived to me. I think you're creating a story as it suits you.

Okay. And, 'you' are ABSOLUTELY FREE to see, observe, think, and believe ABSOLUTELY ANY thing you like.

Also, you STILL have absolutely NO REAL idea of what my idea of what Essence actually IS, YET.

This is because you make ASSUMPTIONS about what my idea is, and because you have also JUMPED TO A CONCLUSION about what my idea of 'Essence' is.

Would you be kind enough to convey what your idea is, of what my idea of Essence is, EXACTLY?

Then we could AND would find out, for sure, if your idea is Right, Wrong, or partly right and wrong.

I remember feeling very in-tune when I came into this world, regardless of what the adults were doing.

For you to have consciously felt that at such a young age I think is a very special and unique experience, which I would have dearly LOVED to have experienced. But, sadly, most children are NOT allowed to feel NOR experience that 'in-tune' feeling with this One and ONLY Universe, or Life, Itself.

I didn't need to be "allowed", I just felt it and was aware of it.

As I implied before feeling and/or being aware of things such as this at birth is a very special and unique experience. I wish I was aware of what I felt at birth.

A lot of children are/were smacked at birth, and thus abused at, and from, birth, and so were not necessarily 'allowed' to experience and be aware of a feeling of 'very in-tune' with this Universe. These children, who were not as fortunate as you to feel what you did, were made to feel to actually be WRONG, different, or 'separated', from this Universe.

I wasn't even speaking yet.

Yes I KNOW. Most, if not ALL, human children are not even speaking yet when they "came into this world". Or, did you actually mean you had this experience actually 'AFTER you came into this world'?

My environment was somewhat hostile and unpredictable. As I've said before, I sensed that the adults didn't know what they were doing.

Yet you seem to want to disagree with me when I suggest and say that 'you', adult human beings, do wrong, or in other words, 'you' do NOT know what you are actually doing?

So they were not impeding me. They were challenges to face... that's all. And as I grew, I saw that they were more like children themselves. Lost, frightened, etc.

But children would NOT be lost and/nor frightened, that is; IF adults taught them Right and WELL. But, OBVIOUSLY, because 'you', adult human beings, are lost and frightened yourselves, and do NOT YET, consciously, KNOW right from wrong, then 'you' could NOT possibly be able to teach children what is Right and WELL. Therefore, ALL of 'you' will continue to be lost and frightened, and thus continue to 'suffer'. That is; Until 'you' learn what thee actual Truth IS.

I felt compassion for them, and tried to reassure them at various times throughout my life. But I also recognized that they were part of the same stuff I was part of, and their journeys were their own. Sacred... although not the paths or characteristics I would choose.

So, this is the story that 'you' have created along the way, as it suited 'you', and continue to suits 'you', correct?

Most children are very quickly taught, and thus learn, to be associated with the 'world', culture and customs, that they are being brought up in and are FORCED to follow and adhere to the rules and customs of that 'world', culture and custom.

I don't think you give children or adults enough credit.

Enough credit for 'what' EXACTLY?

What do you want me to give them credit for, EXACTLY?

They are the same essence and beings going through the motions as humans in their own ways -- and it's beautiful, not tragic.

'What' is NOT tragic, to 'you'.

If you do NOT SEE 'tragic' in the suffering of human beings, which can all so easily be prevented, very quickly, and once and for ALL, then so be it. If you see the suffering of human beings, and especially children, as being 'beautiful', then that is what 'you' SEE. But this is NOT what "others" SEE.

We all do it... and we are beautiful in our essence.

Who and/or what is this 'we', which 'you' refer to here?

And, HOW is this 'we' in its own essence.

If Essence is throughout, and thus within, ALL, then there is NOTHING 'in' essence. And, who and/or what is the one with 'our' essence.

Until you CLARIFY this and make it CLEAR, then some are suggesting that it is actually 'you', "lacewing", who is actually creating your own story, to fit in with and suit your ALREADY HELD ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS.

The human life can be grueling... but that's a fantastic opportunity to be creative.

Will you provide examples of how human life can, supposedly, be grueling?

To me, ALL Life is just simple AND easy. And, it is only human beings who make Life appear to be complex AND hard.

There was a sense of being part of something greater.

This 'greater' is STILL 'within' ALL of 'us'. It NEVER leaves.

It's who we are -- there is nothing to leave.

So, are 'you' saying and/or suggesting that the 'greater' is 'human beings'? Or, are you saying and/or suggesting that 'who we are' is NOT human beings? If you are, then who are 'we'?

Also, are 'you' saying and/or suggesting that the 'greater' did NOT exist UNTIL human beings came into being and existing?

It just gets replaced with, as you would say, "the noise", from the current 'world', culture and custom, in which one is living in.

I don't think it's replaced... I think it can be clouded or veiled.

Yes that is a better way of putting it.

I tend to say, Thee True Self just gets distorted or hidden. This is because of the ASSUMPTIONS and/or BELIEFS that 'we', human beings, make and have.

It can still function.

It 'can' and sure DOES.

Essence can come forth in an instant, in all varying degrees of clarity.

Yes, I KNOW.

When people come together and bring it out in each other, it's brilliant.

Yes, this occurrence is a BEAUTIFUL to watch, and OBSERVE.

Through the sharing of common experiences of ALL, and from those agreed upon and accepted views, is WHERE people, literally come-together and unite, which is HOW thee Truly loving and peaceful 'world' WILL come-into-Existence.

It doesn't require effort --

Yes, True again. Only disagreement, discourse, and conflict requires effort.

it's natural.

BUT, ABSOLUTELY EVERY thing is natural. Unless, of course, ANY could PROVE otherwise.

In fact, the effort SHOWN and REVEALED to 'try to' PROVE what I am saying is WRONG and/or ILLOGICAL is 'natural', itself. That 'effort' is actually helping to SHOW and REVEAL, naturally, just HOW 'we' ALL CAN and WILL, naturally, live in peace AND harmony together, as One.

Rather, we cover it up so that we can have this convincing theater for awhile.

But, WHY do you do this?

Children know it's make-believe and love to play.

I agree, wholeheartedly, that children love to play. But, HOW, to you, do children 'know' 'it' is make-believe, and what EXACT is the 'it', which you are referring to here?

Adults tend to take it seriously. That's the only difference, I think.

'What' EXACTLY do 'you', adult human beings, "tend to take seriously"?

Before you were talking about 'Essence', are you still referring to Essence? Or, to some thing else now?

to feel, or have a sense of, being a part of It, and NOT apart from It, is a Truly wonderful feeling to experience and sense.

Yes, it is. And to have a sense that EVERYTHING is a part of it, and NOT apart from it, is a truly wonderful feeling to experience and sense.

To me, EVERY 'thing' besides 'It', Itself, is a part of 'It', while Everything is 'It'. When EVERY 'thing' comes together as One, then that One is 'It'.

You've asked some other questions in your response... but I think you're over-complicating some things and I have no desire to spend time on that.

Okay.

But, to me, EVERY thing, and Everything is EXTREMELY SIMPLE. So, WHY would you be ASSUMING I am, so called, "over-complicating" some things?

Maybe if you did NOT ASSUME this, then you could and would answer my other questions, without this WRONG assumption AND conclusion.

If, as I say, EVERY thing is simple AND easy, then there is NOT some things, which I would be "over-complicating".

To me, from a larger perspective, everything appears to be a non-serious interplay of possibilities, of the same energy. Judgments about it are human.

To me, 'judgments' about ANY thing are also 'human' only. And, 'from the larger perspective', Life is very simple and easy and is just about living and having fun, or enjoying, and NOT to be taken seriously. Any thing else is just human construct, of which by the year that this is being written in it should be CLEARLY OBVIOUS that the possibility of human construct, with the Truly OPEN Mind, as they say, is endless. However, in saying all of that, I also take the abuse of children VERY SERIOUS. What adults do to themselves is of NO real concern to me,

Who is "I" and "me" (in the section I've underlined)?

'I' am thee (One Truly OPEN) Mind, and 'me' is the thoughts (and emotions) within this body, which is writing this.

Age? So, NOT the larger perspective.

Are you posing a question, and then answering it AGAIN, BEFORE I get a chance to?

If you cannot see perfection in all, then you have some kind of human-held thought interference which is limited.

How many times do I have to TELL 'you' that I SEE, and KNOW, the PERFECTION, in ALL, before you comprehend this AND accept this?

The actual abuse that 'you' inflict upon children children is PERFECTION. I SEE and KNOW this, and this is because of the VERY REASON WHY this kind of OBVIOUSLY WRONG and INAPPROPRIATE behavior is ALLOWED to continue.

See, this behave HAD TO happen, up to the days this is being written, so that 'world peace' could come-to-BE.

If 'you' want to walk around in Life and SEE that the abuse 'you', continually, inflict upon children is PERFECTION, and use this as 'your' EXCUSE to just continue to carry on doing the WRONG, which 'you' OBVIOUSLY DO, then so be it. 'you' are FREE to do whatever you want and like to do. Obviously, if you SEE "perfection" in EVERY thing 'you' DO, then there is OBVIOUSLY absolutely NO reason for 'you' to change at all. In fact, if EVERY thing 'you' DO is PERFECTION, then there is NOTHING AT ALL for 'you' to change, is there?

'you' can BELIEVE that 'you' are PERFECT, but NOT EVERY thing 'you' BELIEVE is actually True, Right, nor Correct.

as they are, supposed, to be "old enough" already KNOW BETTER to NOT be "affected" by what "others" do to them.

Why would a human's age be an indicator of what they should know and be affected by?

Because one day human beings have to become Truly and FULLY responsible for EVERY thing they think and do. While they do not, then they will remain, like they are in the days when this is being written, always with an excuse, so some one/thing else, to blame for the WRONG way they think and/or do.

Have you even had much experience with humans?

Not enough to know how to communicate with them and be heard and fully understood by them. But, enough to know WHY this has occurred and happens.

They are all over the map!

They are on some of the planet earth, with a few not on earth. I am not sure what you mean by "they are all over the map".

Many adults still seem like scared and foolish children. But you do not care about their suffering?

Did I EVER say, "I do not care about adults suffering"?

If yes, then WHERE, EXACTLY?

Or, did I actually say, 'What adults do to themselves is of NO real concern to me'?

Children are completely different as they did NOT choose to come into this life

How do you know what essence "chooses"?

Was I talking about 'children', or, was I talking about 'Essence'?

And, according to your logic, adults who were once children didn't choose to come into this life either, right?

EXACTLY RIGHT.

How humans behave, and misbehave, is solely due to what they have experienced. AND, because absolutely NO adult has experienced living in a Truly peaceful 'world', then OBVIOUSLY there is NO adult, YET, when this is being written, who has thee knowledge to do ONLY what is right, nor do they have the Right knowledge to pass onto children.

Oh, and by the way, do you see any thing 'illogical' what I wrote before this? Or, were you trying to suggest that adults, who were once 'children' (in human perspective, but which still are 'children' in the larger, PERFECT, perspective) somehow did choose to come into this Life?

The Essence within, or throughout, ALL, is thee One that does NOT want children to suffer.

What makes you think there is any "wanting"?

Because 'wanting' can be, and is, observed EVERYWHERE.

Also, ALL humans are born with an internal desire, or 'want', to live in peace AND in harmony with "others".

And, if there was NO 'wanting' to be happy AND content, in peace AND harmony, then there would be just absolute chaos, with NO compassion NOR love for 'one' "another".

Ask any child, or any one when they were a child, if they want/wanted to suffer?

Of course you'll get an answer from humans: they LIVE in a realm/reality of wanting and feeling.

Is there ANY 'other' realm/reality where 'one' can LIVE without 'wanting' and 'feeling'?

If yes, there WHERE is that realm/reality, and, HOW does that realm/reality actually exist?

Why would essence have any such notions?

Essence, Itself, does NOT necessarily have such a notion of 'wanting' and 'feeling'. Essence observes 'things', through the perspective of 'things'.

Essence ALREADY KNOWS and LIVES HERE-NOW with NO 'need' of 'wanting'.

But because Essence is throughout ALL 'things', and is therefore the WHOLE, then it does NOT 'want' parts of Its 'Self' suffering. Just like the WHOLE 'human being' does NOT 'want' parts of its 'self' suffering. A human being does NOT 'want' its body parts injured and/or in pain, as it does NOT 'want' its thinking part not understanding or confused, as it does NOT 'want' its emotion part hurting or not content and happy.

The Universe/Essence, Itself, also does NOT 'want' ANY part of It in conflict nor in discord. The Universe/Essence, Itself, does NOT 'want' human beings in conflict, discord, nor in disharmony as they are now, in the days of when this is being written.

The Universe SHOWS just HOW It does NOT 'want' this as It does what It does till either the discorded thing is wiped out and eradicated or is changed in a way until EVERY 'thing' is back in harmony AND unity with thee One.

Some human beings, in the days of when this is being written, are searching for a Theory Of Everything, which will be found just comes down to very simply: EVERY 'thing' has an opposite, which ALL sits in equilibrium. The Universe works this way, as It does eternally, and infinitely HERE-NOW. The Universe will eradicate that which is NOT in harmony/equilibrium with Its Self.

The 'things', which are in 'agreement' with EVERY 'one', are the 'things' that are aligned with PERFECTION, and which thee True Self, thee Essence within or throughout ALL, says, 'It is this way'.

How can one agree with itself?

Are 'you', the one known as "lacewing" here, aware of just how much you are starting to sound like the one known as "dontaskme" here?

A 'human being one' can feel and be in conflict with its own 'self', which can be CLEARLY OBSERVED and EVIDENCED, in those times when people are contradicting their own 'selves' and/or in those times when feeling conflicted in regards to what to think and/or do. So, if the 'human being one' can do these things, individually, then 'one' can, individually, also be in agreement with their own 'self'.

Now, the 'Essence or universal One' is ALWAYS in agreement with Its own 'Self', but, OBVIOUSLY, human beings' thoughts and thinking can be in COMPLETE disagreement with what thee Essence KNOWS.

Are the parts somehow being and acting separately from the one?

Obviously the parts of some thing can NOT act 'separately' from the WHOLE, but the parts can act in ways, which are NOT in harmony with the WHOLE.

Is that why you think the parts must agree?

BUT I HAVE NEVER thought the parts 'must' agree. Until 'you' get rid of this COMPLETELY WRONG ASSUMPTION and/or BELIEF, then you will NEVER come to Truly and FULLY understand what I am saying, AND MEANING.

If you EVER REALLY 'want' to understand what I am actually meaning, then you will REALLY have to start to STOP adding this 'must' word into what I actually saying.

To me, the parts NEVER 'must' agree. It is just the case that 'what' the parts ALREADY actually 'agree on' is what thee Essence actually IS or what leads to discovering what thee Essence actually IS.

There are some things, which the parts ALREADY agree on, OBVIOUSLY.

Do the waves of the ocean need to ebb and flow in a certain way in order to be in alignment with perfection?

Until you rid your 'self' of the WRONG assumptions and/or beliefs, which you keep continually make here, then you will keep asking 'me' these completely NOTHING in alignment with what I am actually saying and meaning questions.

There is NOTHING in what I have said, and meant, that even suggests that ANY thing is 'needed'. So, to ask me if ANY thing 'needs' to ebb and flow in a certain way OBVIOUSLY has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I have actually said and meant. Unless, of course, you can PROVE otherwise.

Is perfection how anyone thinks things should or need to be, or is perfection how things actually are?

Here you go again adding the words 'should' and 'need' in where they have COMPLETELY and UTTERLY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL to do with what I have already said, and meant.

To me, PERFECTION is how things actually ARE. And, how things actually ARE right now is I am HERE-NOW explaining HOW 'you', human beings, can and WILL end up living in a Truly peaceful 'world' with one "another" together as One, soon enough.

[Age]

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Age, as has happened many times before, when you misunderstand what I say, you distort it into various weird directions with whatever kind of thinking you use.

And I could say the EXACT SAME THING regarding 'you', "lacewing".

That's the noise you create.

And, that is the noise 'you', "lacewing", also create.

Or, do you see this as being only some thing "others" do?

And I see no need or value in wading through so much of your noise to show you clarity/truth about what has been communicated.

I SEE LOTS of 'value' in CLARITY and in Truth.

I also SEE LOTS of 'need' in CLARITY and in Truth. That is; If 'you', human beings, really do want what you say you want, which is to live in peace AND harmony with one "another".

At times I am entertained by responding to you. Other times, like now, I have no interest.

Maybe another time.

Okay. There is after all NO rush at all.

I await, patiently.

[Age]

Thanks to the tax payers, people like Age can live on welfare and spend all day writing 500 pages long posts about their special insights, and about how dumb and closed everyone else is for not listening. And still fail to demonstrate anything of substance.

The ASSUMPTIONS keep pouring in, and STILL they are COMPLETELY and UTTERLY just plain WRONG.

Also, how many times do I have to SAY that I am NOT here, in this forum, to demonstrate ANY thing of ANY substance, well to the ones I am responding to anyway, BEFORE it is understood?

[RCSaunders]

Truly, children appear to accept how life is -- and they do not think of it as suffering. It is only adults reflecting back who assign their ideas and stories and accusations onto it. In the moment -- which is where children exist -- the Universe is flowing and unfolding. It is an adventure to play with. Even if sometimes wild. This can be an interesting state of being/awareness to practice as an adult. And it seems naturally accessible for anyone to tune into any moment (if they want to) -- no stories or religions or certain steps required.

That is a romanticized and very dangerous view of the reality. All of a child's life is determined by adults. From the fact they would starve without adults to the fact that everything they learn is from adults until they have learned enough to live on their own. Many children suffer terrible lives at the hands of their own parents. Please look at the life of Moira Greyland for an example. Her's is not an exceptional story.

The Story of Moira Greyland and her mother, Marion Zimmer Bradley.