Nothing comes out of nothing

[Erk]

Why assume nothing exists in the first place? The law of identity says nothing is nothing. The law of noncontradiction says it can't be something. The law of the excluded middle says it can't be both while it's changing from nothing to something.

[Dontaskme]

Why assume nothing exists in the first place?

Because it's a concept, and concepts exist as concepts.

The law of identity says nothing is nothing. The law of noncontradiction says it can't be something. The law of the excluded middle says it can't be both while it's changing from nothing to something.

The law of identity is a known concept, a mental construction..in that the mind knows itself. There is nothing outside of that mentally constructed arena.

That word nothing cannot be excluded from the knowledge which conceives it. There is no contradiction since there is here only concepts known.

So nothing is changing as no thing made a law, it's just a concept.

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[bahman]

Why assume nothing exists in the first place?

To use reductio ad absurdum and show that we end up with a contradiction.

The law of identity says nothing is nothing. The law of noncontradiction says it can't be something. The law of the excluded middle says it can't be both while it's changing from nothing to something.

These apply to everything.

[Erk]

Why assume nothing exists in the first place?

Because it's a concept, and concepts exist as concepts.

Then I would suggest considering it an illogical concept.

[Erk]

Why assume nothing exists in the first place?

To use reductio ad absurdum and show that we end up with a contradiction.

The law of identity says nothing is nothing. The law of noncontradiction says it can't be something. The law of the excluded middle says it can't be both while it's changing from nothing to something.

These apply to everything.

Exactly and yes respectively.

[Dontaskme]

Why assume nothing exists in the first place?

Because it's a concept, and concepts exist as concepts.

Then I would suggest considering it an illogical concept.

Everything and Nothing are basically the same state, so yes, very illogical, reality is basically irrational.

Something we appear to take very seriously. I guess actors on a stage have to take their roles seriously else the play would not be convincing.

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