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bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 3:58 pm
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bahman wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 3:38 pm
Please define Chaos. Please explain the mechanism by which you could have order from disorder.
A place of no logic, no causality that eventually via random chance formed into matter and energy and order.
If there is no causality then there cannot be any change therefore you cannot have order from disorder.
Says you. Are you suggesting that chaos means there is nothing in existence?
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attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:29 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 3:58 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 3:09 am

A place of no logic, no causality that eventually via random chance formed into matter and energy and order.
If there is no causality then there cannot be any change therefore you cannot have order from disorder.
Says you. Are you suggesting that chaos means there is nothing in existence?
No. You just mentioned that the state of chaos is a state that which there is no logic or causality... I then argue that without causality there would be no change so you cannot have order from disorder.
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bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:35 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:29 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 3:58 pm
If there is no causality then there cannot be any change therefore you cannot have order from disorder.
Says you. Are you suggesting that chaos means there is nothing in existence?
No. You just mentioned that the state of chaos is a state that which there is no logic or causality... I then argue that without causality there would be no change so you cannot have order from disorder.
You are attempting to apply logic to chaos. Change can exist within chaos in fact it is all that chaos manifests. Y can't things manifest into matter and energy through pure chance & change?
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attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:51 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:35 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:29 pm

Says you. Are you suggesting that chaos means there is nothing in existence?
No. You just mentioned that the state of chaos is a state that which there is no logic or causality... I then argue that without causality there would be no change so you cannot have order from disorder.
You are attempting to apply logic to chaos. Change can exist within chaos in fact it is all that chaos manifests. Y can't things manifest into matter and energy through pure chance & change?
That was you who claimed that there is no causality in chaos so there cannot be any change. Moreover, change is not possible without the mind.
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bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:54 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:51 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:35 pm
No. You just mentioned that the state of chaos is a state that which there is no logic or causality... I then argue that without causality there would be no change so you cannot have order from disorder.
You are attempting to apply logic to chaos. Change can exist within chaos in fact it is all that chaos manifests. Y can't things manifest into matter and energy through pure chance & change?
That was you who claimed that there is no causality in chaos so there cannot be any change. Moreover, change is not possible without the mind.
FFS. Change does not require causality within chaos.
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attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:56 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:54 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:51 pm

You are attempting to apply logic to chaos. Change can exist within chaos in fact it is all that chaos manifests. Y can't things manifest into matter and energy through pure chance & change?
That was you who claimed that there is no causality in chaos so there cannot be any change. Moreover, change is not possible without the mind.
FFS. Change does not require causality within chaos.
No. You don't know what you are talking about. Could you define change and causality?
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bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:12 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:56 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:54 pm
That was you who claimed that there is no causality in chaos so there cannot be any change. Moreover, change is not possible without the mind.
FFS. Change does not require causality within chaos.
No. You don't know what you are talking about. Could you define change and causality?
Of course I don't know what I am fucking talking about - I am talking about CHAOS.

How does one define anything within chaos - a place where logic and definition has no place?
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attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:15 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:12 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:56 pm

FFS. Change does not require causality within chaos.
No. You don't know what you are talking about. Could you define change and causality?
Of course I don't know what I am fucking talking about - I am talking about CHAOS.

How does one define anything within chaos - a place where logic and definition has no place?
How do you define change and causality?
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bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:18 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:15 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:12 pm
No. You don't know what you are talking about. Could you define change and causality?
Of course I don't know what I am fucking talking about - I am talking about CHAOS.

How does one define anything within chaos - a place where logic and definition has no place?
How do you define change and causality?
Change is the speed of light and energy - hanging in the balance:-

C:

C_hang_E

E:

:mrgreen:

..causality results from some imbalance.
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Re: What if all troubles are works of Satan?

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attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:23 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:18 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:15 pm

Of course I don't know what I am fucking talking about - I am talking about CHAOS.

How does one define anything within chaos - a place where logic and definition has no place?
How do you define change and causality?
Change is the speed of light and energy - hanging in the balance:-

C:

C_hang_E

E:

:mrgreen:

..causality results from some imbalance.
Change is not the speed of light and energy hanging in the balance! Could you please be coherent and define the change and causality?
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bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:27 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:23 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:18 pm
How do you define change and causality?
Change is the speed of light and energy - hanging in the balance:-

C:

C_hang_E

E:

:mrgreen:

..causality results from some imbalance.
Change is not the speed of light and energy hanging in the balance! Could you please be coherent and define the change and causality?
What part of there is NO causality within chaos are you not understanding?
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attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:35 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:27 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:23 pm

Change is the speed of light and energy - hanging in the balance:-

C:

C_hang_E

E:

:mrgreen:

..causality results from some imbalance.
Change is not the speed of light and energy hanging in the balance! Could you please be coherent and define the change and causality?
What part of there is NO causality within chaos are you not understanding?
I ask for definitions. You break the word change into pieces and claim that that is a definition for change. What if "C" stands for coffee!?
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bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:55 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:35 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:27 pm
Change is not the speed of light and energy hanging in the balance! Could you please be coherent and define the change and causality?
What part of there is NO causality within chaos are you not understanding?
I ask for definitions. You break the word change into pieces and claim that that is a definition for change. What if "C" stands for coffee!?
NO. C means the speed of light FSS - did U actually think I meant "causality"?

I stated:

Change is the speed of light and energy - hanging in the balance:-

C_hang_E

U were meant to infer:

LIGHT_hang_ENERGY

The balance that hangs between the two :mrgreen: ..Nevermind.
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Re: What if all troubles are works of Satan?

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attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:01 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:55 pm
attofishpi wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:35 pm

What part of there is NO causality within chaos are you not understanding?
I ask for definitions. You break the word change into pieces and claim that that is a definition for change. What if "C" stands for coffee!?
NO. C means the speed of light FSS - did U actually think I meant "causality"?

I stated:

Change is the speed of light and energy - hanging in the balance:-

C_hang_E

U were meant to infer:

LIGHT_hang_ENERGY

The balance that hangs between the two :mrgreen: ..Nevermind.
Yes, never mind!
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