bahman wrote:
Finding the truth has nothing to do with being tested. You find the truth through thinking.
Says the guy that still thinks weird crap like there are demons talking to him. If you had more faith in Christ, you'd actually learn about the true nature of reality REAL_IT_Y - that God did not program into the system little demons to annoy you.
Yes GOD and the sages TEST your thinking. (well, they do with me)
Says the guy that still thinks weird crap like there are demons talking to him. If you had more faith in Christ, you'd actually learn about the true nature of reality REAL_IT_Y - that God did not program into the system little demons to annoy you.
Yes GOD and the sages TEST your thinking. (well, they do with me)
No hard feelings Fish but i don't think u are able to understand what I'm saying.
If your god exists, there is no such thing as chaos or probability from his perspective. From ours, sure, but not his. Everything that exists is absolutely determined by him to do exactly what it does when it does it. The quantum, the atomic, the molecular, all of it operates precisely as he designed it to.
Wait should i be using gender neutral terms for god? I can't keep up with this stuff man.
Anyway, no. God's compooter program can't malfunction, becuz if it did, it means the behavior of some part of the program or the forces affecting it was unpredictable to him. It means that when he conceived of thing x and decided to create it, there was something about x that he didn't know. But wait.... the thing didn't exist until he had the idea of it and created it... so there couldn't be some mystery thing that might do something he neither wanted it to do or couldn't prevent it from doing. Make sense?
God: hold on. I designed rogue electrons to spin off their orbits when such and such happens... so why didn't that electron spin off its orbit just now when it was supposed to?
Ah, now u understand. I'll be damned. But be sure to forget what i just explained to u and repeat your confused argument again in the future, please, so someone else can become confused too. If u could go ahead and do that, that would be great, mmkay?
promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:48 pm
No hard feelings Fish but i don't think u are able to understand what I'm saying.
If your god exists, there is no such thing as chaos or probability from his perspective.
FFS. Non-sequitur. Seriously, why would I bother reading the rest of you post after that CRAP?
re chaos. I believe GOD formed from chaos, thus it is likely to be able to reflect upon from whence it came..thus there is such a thing as 'chaos' and 'probability' from "his" persepective.
1. I KNOW GOD EXISTS - as an entity that is OMNIPOTENT to what we perceive as REALITY.
THAT'S ALL I AM CERTAIN OF REGARDING THIS ENTITY CALLED GOD.
SO.
If you want to discuss GOD from point 1. perspective - then sure, let's have some.
promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:39 pm
Wait you're saying god came out of a pre-existing chaos? Well now that's kinda cool. Has a pre-socratic Heraclitean feel to it.
Oh, come on dude! From Chaos just comes out Chaos! Why? Because Chaos is indifferent, in other words, it does not have any tendency toward order.
promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:39 pm
Wait you're saying god came out of a pre-existing chaos? Well now that's kinda cool. Has a pre-socratic Heraclitean feel to it.
Oh, come on dude! From Chaos just comes out Chaos! Why? Because Chaos is indifferent, in other words, it does not have any tendency toward order.
promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:39 pm
Wait you're saying god came out of a pre-existing chaos? Well now that's kinda cool. Has a pre-socratic Heraclitean feel to it.
Oh, come on dude! From Chaos just comes out Chaos! Why? Because Chaos is indifferent, in other words, it does not have any tendency toward order.
Clearly U don't think. OR. U don't think clearly.
Please define Chaos. Please explain the mechanism by which you could have order from disorder.
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:56 pm
Oh, come on dude! From Chaos just comes out Chaos! Why? Because Chaos is indifferent, in other words, it does not have any tendency toward order.
Clearly U don't think. OR. U don't think clearly.
Please define Chaos. Please explain the mechanism by which you could have order from disorder.
A place of no logic, no causality that eventually via random chance formed into matter and energy and order.
promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:48 pm
If your god exists, there is no such thing as chaos or probability from his perspective. From ours, sure, but not his. Everything that exists is absolutely determined by him to do exactly what it does when it does it. The quantum, the atomic, the molecular, all of it operates precisely as he designed it to.
According to Tarski's semantic theory of truth, it is possible to know the complete truth of even an otherwise incomplete theory, if you can build a meta system along the lines of convention T.
It requires a second encompassing metasystem of which you also know the theory. We would never be able to do that, because it requires God-like capabilities.
So, God uses convention T to know the complete truth of our universe.
