Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:42 am
promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:12 am
The above assertion is decidedly false.
In order for a belief system to be true, at least one person must believe it... or no belief system, true or not, would exist.
No, a thing would be true whether or not anybody believed it. It wouldn't form a "system," perhaps, but any particular premise would be true or false regardless.
What can be CLEARLY SEEN, and PROVED True, here is that even when two people are having and/or holding False, Wrong, AND Incorrect views, 'they' WILL BOTH 'fight' or 'argue' FOR 'their view', as long as 'they' ARE ASSUMING or BELIEVING 'them' to be true, and NO matter how False 'their view' ACTUALLY IS.
See, people, BACK THEN, literally LOVED TO 'argue' or 'fight' AGAINST "another", even when they had NO ACTUAL PROOF for 'their view' or ' their "side" ', as long as they were ARGUING and FIGHTING AGAINST "another", that was what 'they' HAD BECOME ACCUSTOMED and/or ADDICTED TO.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:42 am
There was gravity before anybody knew there was, and stars we cannot see existed before telescopes, and the North American continent was there before anybody discovered it.
Truth is truth.
AND, God WAS A "he", well BEFORE ANY one of 'you', human beings, discovered 'this' hey "immanuel can", AND, 'this truth' IS IRREFUTABLY TRUE, right?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:42 am
Beliefs can be true or false, depending on whether they conform to reality.
BUT NOT 'yours' hey "immanuel can"?
ALL OF 'your' BELIEFS are IRREFUTABLY ABSOLUTELY TRUE right "immanuel can"?
It WAS and IS EXTREMELY HILARIOUS WATCHING and OBSERVING 'these human beings' BELIEVE that 'beliefs' CAN BE 'true' OR 'false' but while at the EXACT SAME time BELIEVING that their OWN, individual, BELIEFS ARE ABSOLUTELY TRUE, CAN ONLY BE TRUE, AND ARE WHOLLY TRUE.
And what is even MORE HILARIOUS IS WATCHING and OBSERVING two people ARGUING and FIGHTING OVER their OWN individual BELIEFS among and AGAINST "each other" WHILE BOTH of 'their BELIEFS' are NOT even REMOTELY CLOSE TO BEING True, ANYWAY.
As CAN BE OBSERVED and WITNESSED throughout nearly EVERY thread in this forum.
What 'these people' ALSO MISS is when "another" is SPEAKING an ACTUAL ABSOLUTE IRREFUTABLE Truth but they can NOT SEE 'this' BECAUSE 'they' are TOO BUSY WANTING TO FIGHT and ARGUE AGAINST "the other".