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Re: is the Christian concept of the One from a philosophical point of view true?

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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:07 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:58 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:54 pm
4%. That's your "widespread belief." 4% of the world's population, as recorded by CIA Factbook.

Not so "widespread," is it?

Not that it matters. At one point in time, 100% of the world's population thought the world was flat. A belief is not made true by popularity.

Good thing, too...for Atheism. It's not actually very popular.
Last I checked Christianity is the most popular religion in terms of numbers of professed adherents. Just to clarify, does that therefore not mean that Christianity is made true?
I repeat: a belief system is not made true by the numbers of people who believe it. It's made true by reality, or not at all.
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AND what IS 'reality' here BASED UPON, EXACTLY?
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Re: is the Christian concept of the One from a philosophical point of view true?

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Lacewing wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:38 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:54 pm At one point in time, 100% of the world's population thought the world was flat. A belief is not made true by popularity.
Right.
Here we have ANOTHER one EXAMPLING how just about 100% of the adult human being population, BACK in the days when this was being written, thought or BELIEVED that PREVIOUSLY 100% of the world's population thought the world was flat.

OBVIOUSLY 'this' could NEVER have been true, and if ANY CLEAR thinking human being just spent a few seconds, if that, just THINKING ABOUT 'that CLAIM' could CLEARLY SEE that 'it' IS OBVIOUSLY False, Wrong, Inaccurate, AND Incorrect.
Lacewing wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:38 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:54 pm Good thing, too...for Atheism. It's not actually very popular.
Well... 324,000,000 people choosing not to follow a wide range of 'popular' fantasies, as so many people are inclined to do, is encouraging.
ONCE AGAIN, 'these people', BACK THEN, could NOT SEE PAST A "one-sided" view and perspective of 'things'. 'These people' were, LITERALLY, being COMPLETELY and UTTERLY BLINDED by their currently HELD ONTO BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS.

Which 'they' just did NOT want to LET GO OF.

And, if I was to ASK 'this one', 'HOW is 'this BELIEF' of 'yours' HELPING 'you'?', 'this one' COULD NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER. As WILL BE PROVED True here.

Furthermore, what makes 'this' even MORE LUDICROUS, CONTRADICTORY, and HYPOCRITICAL here is that 'this one' is ACTUALLY BELIEVING that 'its' OWN MADE UP 'fantasy' IS ACTUALLY True AND Right. LOL "lacewing".
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Re: is the Christian concept of the One from a philosophical point of view true?

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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:42 am
promethean75 wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:12 am The above assertion is decidedly false.

In order for a belief system to be true, at least one person must believe it... or no belief system, true or not, would exist.
No, a thing would be true whether or not anybody believed it. It wouldn't form a "system," perhaps, but any particular premise would be true or false regardless.
What can be CLEARLY SEEN, and PROVED True, here is that even when two people are having and/or holding False, Wrong, AND Incorrect views, 'they' WILL BOTH 'fight' or 'argue' FOR 'their view', as long as 'they' ARE ASSUMING or BELIEVING 'them' to be true, and NO matter how False 'their view' ACTUALLY IS.

See, people, BACK THEN, literally LOVED TO 'argue' or 'fight' AGAINST "another", even when they had NO ACTUAL PROOF for 'their view' or ' their "side" ', as long as they were ARGUING and FIGHTING AGAINST "another", that was what 'they' HAD BECOME ACCUSTOMED and/or ADDICTED TO.
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:42 am There was gravity before anybody knew there was, and stars we cannot see existed before telescopes, and the North American continent was there before anybody discovered it.

Truth is truth.
AND, God WAS A "he", well BEFORE ANY one of 'you', human beings, discovered 'this' hey "immanuel can", AND, 'this truth' IS IRREFUTABLY TRUE, right?
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:42 am Beliefs can be true or false, depending on whether they conform to reality.
BUT NOT 'yours' hey "immanuel can"?

ALL OF 'your' BELIEFS are IRREFUTABLY ABSOLUTELY TRUE right "immanuel can"?

It WAS and IS EXTREMELY HILARIOUS WATCHING and OBSERVING 'these human beings' BELIEVE that 'beliefs' CAN BE 'true' OR 'false' but while at the EXACT SAME time BELIEVING that their OWN, individual, BELIEFS ARE ABSOLUTELY TRUE, CAN ONLY BE TRUE, AND ARE WHOLLY TRUE.

And what is even MORE HILARIOUS IS WATCHING and OBSERVING two people ARGUING and FIGHTING OVER their OWN individual BELIEFS among and AGAINST "each other" WHILE BOTH of 'their BELIEFS' are NOT even REMOTELY CLOSE TO BEING True, ANYWAY.

As CAN BE OBSERVED and WITNESSED throughout nearly EVERY thread in this forum.

What 'these people' ALSO MISS is when "another" is SPEAKING an ACTUAL ABSOLUTE IRREFUTABLE Truth but they can NOT SEE 'this' BECAUSE 'they' are TOO BUSY WANTING TO FIGHT and ARGUE AGAINST "the other".
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Re: is the Christian concept of the One from a philosophical point of view true?

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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:42 am
promethean75 wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:12 am The above assertion is decidedly false.

In order for a belief system to be true, at least one person must believe it... or no belief system, true or not, would exist.
No, a thing would be true whether or not anybody believed it. It wouldn't form a "system," perhaps, but any particular premise would be true or false regardless.

There was gravity before anybody knew there was, and stars we cannot see existed before telescopes, and the North American continent was there before anybody discovered it.

Truth is truth. Beliefs can be true or false, depending on whether they conform to reality.
Do you mean "conform to reality" such as Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, modern psychology, Greek mythology, etc?
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Gary Childress wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:37 pm
henry quirk wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:32 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:30 pm

He'll only forgive me, though. That would defeat the whole purpose.
Only if you repent.
Do you mean, *he'll forgive me only if I repent or it would defeat the whole purpose only if I repent? :?
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henry quirk wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:12 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:37 pm
henry quirk wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:32 pm

Only if you repent.
Do you mean, *he'll forgive me only if I repent or it would defeat the whole purpose only if I repent? :?
*this
Do you mean, IC will forgive me only if I repent or do you mean God will forgive me only if I repent?
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:15 pm
henry quirk wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:12 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:37 pm

Do you mean, *he'll forgive me only if I repent or it would defeat the whole purpose only if I repent? :?
*this
Do you mean, IC will forgive me only if I repent or do you mean God will forgive me only if I repent?
Both.
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henry quirk wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:16 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:15 pm
henry quirk wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:12 pm

*this
Do you mean, IC will forgive me only if I repent or do you mean God will forgive me only if I repent?
Both.
How do I "repent"?
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:16 pm
henry quirk wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:16 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:15 pm

Do you mean, IC will forgive me only if I repent or do you mean God will forgive me only if I repent?
Both.
How do I "repent"?
Be remorseful. Know you done wrong and admit it.

Don't be Tiger Woods.
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henry quirk wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:17 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:16 pm
henry quirk wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:16 pm

Both.
How do I "repent"?
Be remorseful. Know you done wrong and admit it.

Don't be Tiger Woods.
What wrong did I do?
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:19 pm
henry quirk wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:17 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:16 pm

How do I "repent"?
Be remorseful. Know you done wrong and admit it.

Don't be Tiger Woods.
What wrong did I do?
Hell if I know.
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henry quirk wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:27 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:19 pm
henry quirk wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:17 pm

Be remorseful. Know you done wrong and admit it.

Don't be Tiger Woods.
What wrong did I do?
Hell if I know.
The only "wrong" I can think of that I am guilty of is coming out of the womb. And I don't recall that far back if the doctors gave me a choice or not. Either way, it's not their fault. So there's not much I can do anymore about it except live out the consequences.
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"What wrong did I do?"

How much time you got?
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promethean75 wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 3:53 pm "What wrong did I do?"

How much time you got?
I don't know. Take as long as you want for as long as I am still alive.
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