is the Christian concept of the One from a philosophical point of view true?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Heavens, no. I'm happy going where I'm going, and with Whom. You can come along, if you want to...but I'm not going the other way. That ship has sailed, and the port its bound for is nowhere for me.

I am resolved: I will convert you back to a proper and decent paganism! You'll see.

[Immanuel Can]

Heavens, no. I'm happy going where I'm going, and with Whom. You can come along, if you want to...but I'm not going the other way. That ship has sailed, and the port its bound for is nowhere for me.

I am resolved: I will convert you back to a proper and decent paganism! You'll see.

Bad start. You're boring me to tears. I can't be bothered. Too dull.

[Gary Childress]

He'll only forgive me, though. That would defeat the whole purpose.

That's when you lay into him that much harder. Really make him live his pious forgiveness.

Then I'll forgive him. I wouldn't want to go to hell for doing something like that to a human being. Wait... If I'm going to hell anyway... Nope, nope. Not going to do it. Yahweh is going to have to condemn me.

[Gary Childress]

I certainly don't mistake AJ for Caligula or Nero, despite his desire to invoke that.

What I *desire to invoke* is in a sense more radical. And it has to do with de-Judaizing Christianity. I referenced months back the books I was reading -- works having to do with the Germanization of Christianity as Christianity was brought to the Northern peoples. It shifted, notably, from an other-worldy religiousness to a this-world focus.

While I would certainly not call myself an antisemite I am no longer a pro-semite or a philo-semite. I used to *support* Israel without giving it much thought, now I see it as essentially a criminal enterprise (I mean the way it got started). There are all kinds of wonderful Israelis. Judaism has brilliant aspects to it and tons of interesting and important wisdom, no doubt, but it is also a record to sickness. For example the entire narrative of Joseph in Egypt. It cast a horrible light on Jews. That is, when a Jew shows up he feels justified in taking over the place. And when he does not get his way his Yahweh then devastates the people who oppose the Jew. And the Jew absconds with the valuables and leaves the people desolate.

As I have stated very plainly, with no mincing of words, I find your Jew-imitation to be utterly insipid. And this brings us to Dispensationalism and the profound shift in Christian focus to be a *handmaid of Israel*. The sick idea that if you *bless the Jews* that that great Jew in the sky will then bless you and yours is something I oppose.

My impression is that your *HaShem* is Jewish and you have set yourself up sycophantically in relation. Maybe it doesn'teffect anyone else but it does me.

Well, it's not like any of the rest of us are saints either. It would just be nice to be able to relate to others without going through hell for it. I kind of wish that applied to women too.

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[Lacewing]

"Widespread non-belief and the lack of compelling evidence show that a God who seeks belief in humans does not exist."

"Widespread belief that the world is flat, and lack of compelling evidence to the contrary proved to ancient man that the world is flat."

Widespread belief that there is a god despite lack of compelling evidence is the same kind of archaic thinking that caused humans to believe the world was flat.

[Gary Childress]

"Widespread non-belief and the lack of compelling evidence show that a God who seeks belief in humans does not exist."

"Widespread belief that the world is flat, and lack of compelling evidence to the contrary proved to ancient man that the world is flat."

Widespread belief that there is a god despite lack of compelling evidence is the same kind of archaic thinking that caused humans to believe the world was flat.

I think widespread thinking that science is a sham and that only 2000-year-old books can give us the right answers is most likely to cause some humans to believe the world is flat.

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[Immanuel Can]

Widespread belief...

4%. That's your "widespread belief." 4% of the world's population, as recorded by CIA Factbook.

Not so "widespread," is it?

Not that it matters. At one point in time, 100% of the world's population thought the world was flat. A belief is not made true by popularity.

Good thing, too...for Atheism. It's not actually very popular.

[Gary Childress]

Widespread belief...

4%. That's your "widespread belief." 4% of the world's population, as recorded by CIA Factbook.

Not so "widespread," is it?

Not that it matters. At one point in time, 100% of the world's population thought the world was flat. A belief is not made true by popularity.

Good thing, too...for Atheism. It's not actually very popular.

Last I checked Christianity is the most popular religion in terms of numbers of professed adherents. Just to clarify, does that therefore not mean that Christianity is made true?

[Immanuel Can]

Widespread belief...

4%. That's your "widespread belief." 4% of the world's population, as recorded by CIA Factbook.

Not so "widespread," is it?

Not that it matters. At one point in time, 100% of the world's population thought the world was flat. A belief is not made true by popularity.

Good thing, too...for Atheism. It's not actually very popular.

Last I checked Christianity is the most popular religion in terms of numbers of professed adherents. Just to clarify, does that therefore not mean that Christianity is made true?

I repeat: a belief system is not made true by the numbers of people who believe it. It's made true by reality, or not at all.

[promethean75]

The above assertion is decidedly false.

In order for a belief system to be true, at least one person must believe it... or no belief system, true or not, would exist.

[Lacewing]

At one point in time, 100% of the world's population thought the world was flat. A belief is not made true by popularity.

Right.

Good thing, too...for Atheism. It's not actually very popular.

Well... 324,000,000 people choosing not to follow a wide range of 'popular' fantasies, as so many people are inclined to do, is encouraging.

[Immanuel Can]

The above assertion is decidedly false.

In order for a belief system to be true, at least one person must believe it... or no belief system, true or not, would exist.

No, a thing would be true whether or not anybody believed it. It wouldn't form a "system," perhaps, but any particular premise would be true or false regardless.

There was gravity before anybody knew there was, and stars we cannot see existed before telescopes, and the North American continent was there before anybody discovered it.

Truth is truth. Beliefs can be true or false, depending on whether they conform to reality.

[promethean75]

Perhaps you meant to say 'a fact is not made a fact by being believed'. If so, then disregard my objection sir. If not, I stand firmly by my claim that beliefs of any kind cannot exist without there also existing at least one human being.

Good day to u.

[Age]

"Widespread non-belief and the lack of compelling evidence show that a God who seeks belief in humans does not exist."

"Widespread belief that the world is flat, and lack of compelling evidence to the contrary proved to ancient man that the world is flat."

Widespread belief that there is a god despite lack of compelling evidence is the same kind of archaic thinking that caused humans to believe the world was flat.

What do you MEAN by 'lack of compelling evidence' here?

What do 'you' ASSUME or BELIEVE 'God' IS MEANT TO BE, EXACTLY, which 'you' SAY there is 'lack of compelling evidence' FOR?

[Age]

Widespread belief...

4%. That's your "widespread belief." 4% of the world's population, as recorded by CIA Factbook.

Not so "widespread," is it?

Not that it matters. At one point in time, 100% of the world's population thought the world was flat.

LOL
LOL
LOL

'you', human beings, Truly MAKE me LAUGH OUT LOUD, sometimes.

WHERE IS the PROOF that 100% of the world's population thought the world was flat?

Besides 'this' being OBVIOUSLY ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY False, Wrong, AND Incorrect, here we have ANOTHER PRIME example of just how EASILY and SIMPLY 'these people', back then, WOULD BELIEVE 'things' for the SOLE REASON OF just HEARING 'it'.

And, this one here known as "immanuel can" was one of the PRIMEST OF EXAMPLES of one who WOULD just BELIEVE some 'things' that 'it' WAS TOLD.

A belief is not made true by popularity.

ONCE AGAIN, ANOTHER example of being ABSOLUTELY FOOLED by NOTHING MORE than what they HEAR, or HAVE HEARD.

Good thing, too...for Atheism. It's not actually very popular.

LOL ANOTHER example of 'confirmation bias', "one-sidedness", AND 'blindness' AT 'its' BEST, or WORST, depending on how one wants to LOOK AT and SEE 'things' here.