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Walker wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 3:29 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 10:23 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 9:02 am
Hey coach, here’s a tidy explanation which has been known before the word "gender" was appropriated by social engineers fifty years or so years ago.

https://oxfordre.com/linguistics/displa ... 84655-e-43

Here is a, supposed, so-called 'tidy explanation' of 'what', exactly?

The word, "gender."

Now that you've been educated as to the proper use of the word, you can go forth and be clear of fewer confused messes.

Oh no! Language evolves! Horrors!

Here the Yale School of Medicine offers its two cents:

In the study of human subjects, the term sex should be used as a classification, generally as male or female, according to the reproductive organs and functions that derive from the chromosomal complement [generally XX for female and XY for male].

In the study of human subjects, the term gender should be used to refer to a person's self-representation as male or female, or how that person is responded to by social institutions on the basis of the individual's gender presentation.

This seems a reasonable linguistic evolution. After all, when "gender" referred only to language (per the Oxford link) it was referring to culturally constituted "presentations". So it seems reasonable that just as gender refers to words that are "presented" as masculine or feminine, the word can reasonably evolve to refer to "self-representation".

Whatever one thinks of trans rights, objecting to the current use of "gender" seems silly. The word has a specific meaning, and does its job well. What word would you prefer? "Sex" has a different meaning.

About accelefine's idiotic comment that we are our bodies: I wonder if she objects to operations to repair leaking heart valves, or clubbed feet, or to offer cochlear implants for the deaf. We change our bodies through medical procedures regularly, these days. What about cosmetic surgery in general (which is, perhaps, more analogous)?

Alexiev wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 5:29 pm

Evolution of words.

- Sex has evolved from noun to verb while also remaining a noun.
- The term “sleeping together,” has evolved to mean sex the verb, while also still meaning two or more snoozing at the same time or in the same proximity.
- Gender stands a chance of evolving into a verb to mean sleeping together, and like sleeping together, it would be an evolution into a new way to say sex-the-verb.

“Nice,” has an interesting evolution, if this is to be believed.
”nice (adj): This word evolved from meaning stupid, ignorant or foolish to describing something refined, pleasant or agreeable.”

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:51 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 5:29 pm

Evolution of words.

- Sex has evolved from noun to verb while also remaining a noun.
- The term “sleeping together,” has evolved to mean sex the verb, while also still meaning two or more snoozing at the same time or in the same proximity.
- Gender stands a chance of evolving into a verb to mean sleeping together, and like sleeping together, it would be an evolution into a new way to say sex-the-verb.

“Nice,” has an interesting evolution, if this is to be believed.
”nice (adj): This word evolved from meaning stupid, ignorant or foolish to describing something refined, pleasant or agreeable.”

Idiot. It's only used as a verb when deciphering the sex of something.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:24 am

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:51 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 5:29 pm

Evolution of words.

- Sex has evolved from noun to verb while also remaining a noun.
- The term “sleeping together,” has evolved to mean sex the verb, while also still meaning two or more snoozing at the same time or in the same proximity.
- Gender stands a chance of evolving into a verb to mean sleeping together, and like sleeping together, it would be an evolution into a new way to say sex-the-verb.

“Nice,” has an interesting evolution, if this is to be believed.
”nice (adj): This word evolved from meaning stupid, ignorant or foolish to describing something refined, pleasant or agreeable.”

Idiot. It's only used as a verb when deciphering the sex of something.

You gender-head. That's noun duty, not verb. The sex of something can be male or female. Nouns.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 3:44 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 3:29 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 10:23 pm

Here is a, supposed, so-called 'tidy explanation' of 'what', exactly?

The word, "gender."

Now that you've been educated as to the proper use of the word, you can go forth and be clear of fewer confused messes.

Will you show where and when, exactly, there are some, so-claimed, 'confused messes' here?

If no, then why not?

You're making a confused mess out of refusing to expound upon your reply of, "Neither."

Your confusion even caused you to confess that you didn't remember what you were thinking, and you were asking me what you were thinking.

Ask yourself why you must make your confused mess all by yourself.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:37 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:24 am

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:51 am
Evolution of words.

- Sex has evolved from noun to verb while also remaining a noun.
- The term “sleeping together,” has evolved to mean sex the verb, while also still meaning two or more snoozing at the same time or in the same proximity.
- Gender stands a chance of evolving into a verb to mean sleeping together, and like sleeping together, it would be an evolution into a new way to say sex-the-verb.

“Nice,” has an interesting evolution, if this is to be believed.
”nice (adj): This word evolved from meaning stupid, ignorant or foolish to describing something refined, pleasant or agreeable.”

Idiot. It's only used as a verb when deciphering the sex of something.

You gender-head. That's noun duty, not verb. The sex of something can be male or female. Nouns.

You moron. 'To sex a litter of kittens'. What do you think that means? That the vet has sex with them?

verb
1.
determine the sex of.
"each bird would need to be individually sexed"

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:03 am
You moron. 'To sex a litter of kittens'. What do you think that means? That the vet has sex with them?

For genders sake, if a vet did that to a cat, then he would have to be fucking (v) it, which means that the word sex, as a verb, means more than the specific way a vet would use the word. Used as a verb with a cat, sex means bestiality, and used as a verb with a tiger it likely means death.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:09 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:03 am
You moron. 'To sex a litter of kittens'. What do you think that means? That the vet has sex with them?

For genders sake, if a vet did that to a cat, then he would have to be fucking (v) it, which means that the word sex, as a verb, means more than the specific way a vet would use the word. Used as a verb with a cat, sex means bestiality, and used as a verb with a tiger it likely means death.

Fuck off. Not interested in idiot men who refuse to admit when they are wrong. Grow up!

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:12 am

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:09 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:03 am
You moron. 'To sex a litter of kittens'. What do you think that means? That the vet has sex with them?

For genders sake, if a vet did that to a cat, then he would have to be fucking (v) it, which means that the word sex, as a verb, means more than the specific way a vet would use the word. Used as a verb with a cat, sex means bestiality, and used as a verb with a tiger it likely means death.

Fuck off. Not interested in idiot men who refuse to admit when they are wrong. Grow up!

Well you can just gender off, Missy.

Bloody Americans. They should never have been trusted with the English language. It's just offensive the way they think it's cute to make nouns verbs and verbs nouns. 'American 'English' ' is a convoluted mess! They should have been forced to speak Swahili or something.
There were a lot of great American writers. When did Americans get so thick and illiteratea??

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:20 am Bloody Americans. They should never have been trusted with the English language. It's just offensive the way they think it's cute to make nouns verbs and verbs nouns. 'American 'English' ' is a convoluted mess! They should have been forced to speak Swahili or something.
There were a lot of great American writers. When did Americans get so thick and illiteratea??

Be nice.

Since there are supposed to be as many genders as there are pronouns, wouldn't a vet need to study cat psychology if he, or she, needed to gender a cat?

You sex a cat, dipshit. Gender has nothing to do with biology. It's a grammatical term and one which we don't have in the English language. Another example of American butchering of the language.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:30 am You sex a cat, dipshit. Gender has nothing to do with biology. It's a grammatical term and one which we don't have in the English language. Another example of American butchering of the language.

Go gender yourself. It's about e-vo-lu-tion, of language. With the evolution of language and the specter of lawfare you might want to ixnay on the cat sexing.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:34 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:30 am You sex a cat, dipshit. Gender has nothing to do with biology. It's a grammatical term and one which we don't have in the English language. Another example of American butchering of the language.

Go gender yourself. It's about e-vo-lu-tion, of language. With the evolution of language and the specter of lawfare you might want to ixnay on the cat sexing.

For fuck sake. Randomly turning words upside down when there are perfectly good words already is NOT evolution of language. It's butchering of language. Just like the 'men' are 'women' bullshit.

And don't you ever go to bed old man? Stop annoying me with your garbage!

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 3:43 pm

Interesting. Consciousness requires form. Form and consciousness co-arise as life. A conscious form is conscious that it is a form.

Consciousness without form cannot be.

Therefore, any continuance of consciousness after death of the body, requires a form … whether or not that form can be detectable by the limitations of known physicality.

The nature of that required form is another matter. The point is that evidence indicates consciousness does indeed require form, therefore any existence as consciousness after death as we know it, also requires a form..