Beauty and Perfection have the same definition.

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Walker wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:15 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:02 am To I, there is not a human being who is more beautiful, nor more ugly, than another. Nor is there a human being who is more than, nor less than, another. Nor, is there a human being who is better, nor less, than another. Obviously, though, 'you' may 'see' things very differently here?
Have you considered that you just failed The Turing Test?

Or would that be, passed the Turing Test?

:shock:
Not since someone here believed that 'I' was a machine of some sort.
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Age wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:19 am
Walker wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:15 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:02 am To I, there is not a human being who is more beautiful, nor more ugly, than another. Nor is there a human being who is more than, nor less than, another. Nor, is there a human being who is better, nor less, than another. Obviously, though, 'you' may 'see' things very differently here?
Have you considered that you just failed The Turing Test?

Or would that be, passed the Turing Test?

:shock:
Not since someone here believed that 'I' was a machine of some sort.
Do you not see the one whose beauty transcends the framework, the limitations, of the video? Then as a physicist in the physical world, which one would be your guess, given the available data?

:D
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There's folks in the know who say that Belichik is the best coach there ever was.

That would make him the perfect coach.

There's folks who don't live in denial that his new girlfriend is beautiful.

Perfect Coach meets Beauty.

If beauty and perfection have the same definition, they don't look the same.

Do they?

Perhaps we can enlarge the parameters of the title to mean ... Perfection attracts Beauty.
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Walker wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:00 pm There's folks in the know who say that Belichik is the best coach there ever was.

That would make him the perfect coach.
No it wouldn't: it would just make him the best coach.
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Harbal wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:37 am What makes you think she sees any?
I think that she sees perfection, and the fruits thereof. In return, perfection not only sees but attracts beauty. Conclusion: Perfection that doesn't bear fruit enough to attract beauty is not perfection, however, attracting beauty is a tenuous standard even though what attracts beauty is not. Rather subjective, however as a principle, beauty can be recognized by the peace and joy the presence of beauty brings, in varying degrees. From the look on old Bill's face, he is experiencing a healthy ration of both.
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Harbal wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:19 pm
Walker wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:00 pm There's folks in the know who say that Belichik is the best coach there ever was.

That would make him the perfect coach.
No it wouldn't: it would just make him the best coach.
Close enough when $millions$ light up the sky.
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Walker wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:21 pm
Harbal wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:37 am What makes you think she sees any?
I think that she sees perfection, and the fruits thereof.
I'm not sure that perfection can actually be achieved; I think it is more a hypothetical ideal than a reality. And even then, perfection could only be relative to a particular set of ideals, and what two people are likely to have the exact same requirements, in every precise detail?

I don't know who that man is, so I have no idea what his fruits are, but I'm guessing he has money.
In return, perfection not only sees but attracts beauty.
How do you arrive at that conclusion?
Conclusion: Perfection that doesn't bear fruit enough to attract beauty is not perfection,
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Walker wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:00 pm There's folks in the know who say that Belichik is the best coach there ever was.

That would make him the perfect coach....
more folks in the know would say the magic pumpkin made the perfect coach...

glass slippers aside

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Walker wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:50 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:19 am
Walker wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:15 am
Have you considered that you just failed The Turing Test?

Or would that be, passed the Turing Test?

:shock:
Not since someone here believed that 'I' was a machine of some sort.
Do you not see the one whose beauty transcends the framework, the limitations, of the video? Then as a physicist in the physical world, which one would be your guess, given the available data?

:D
On first reading I do not comprehend and understand your question, here?

Will you rephrase it?
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Harbal wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:19 pm
Walker wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:00 pm There's folks in the know who say that Belichik is the best coach there ever was.

That would make him the perfect coach.
No it wouldn't: it would just make him the best coach.
Does what just a few human beings, really, make some thing so?
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Walker wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:21 pm
Harbal wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:37 am What makes you think she sees any?
I think that she sees perfection, and the fruits thereof. In return, perfection not only sees but attracts beauty.
Could she not just see a;

'big penis',
'fame',
'father figure', or 'a daddy'.
'money',
'beauty'

Or, a combination or just something else, instead?

Why do you think "she" sees 'perfection', and what are the so-called 'fruits of perfection', exactly?
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Walker wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:21 pm Conclusion: Perfection that doesn't bear fruit enough to attract beauty is not perfection, however, attracting beauty is a tenuous standard even though what attracts beauty is not. Rather subjective, however as a principle, beauty can be recognized by the peace and joy the presence of beauty brings, in varying degrees. From the look on old Bill's face, he is experiencing a healthy ration of both.
So, from just this one photograph alone, "walker" believes that it can ascertain things 'about others', such as "walker" has above here.

I wonder if "walker" would ascertain, and conclude, from that exact same one photo, if "walker" knew that that one was married to what "walker" would describe as and call an 'ugly woman'?
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Harbal wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:40 pm
Walker wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:21 pm
Harbal wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:37 am What makes you think she sees any?
I think that she sees perfection, and the fruits thereof.
I'm not sure that perfection can actually be achieved;
'Perfection' could either already exist, like for example exactly in how the state the Universe is in Here, NOW, which is always.

OR, in relation to human beings, and their behaviour, 'perfection' could be a state desired and/or orientated towards, but, like you, I do not see how 'this state' could ever actually be reached/achieved. And, this is just because the adult human being can always do, or behave, better.
Harbal wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:40 pm I think it is more a hypothetical ideal than a reality.
In relation to human beings behaviour, I agree.

But, in relation to the Universe, Itself, and all of Its, physical, parts, human bodies obviously also included, then the way all of 'those things' are, exactly, at any given moment is 'perfection'. However, on the proviso, obviously, that the harm and damage caused and created by adult human beings 'Wrong or mis' behavior does not align with any True idea of an 'ideal perfect state'.

But, because of 'the way' human beings learn, and grow, properly and Correctly, that adult human beings do Wrong, and cause destruction, is in and of itself 'perfection', just 'playing itself out'
Harbal wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:40 pm And even then, perfection could only be relative to a particular set of ideals, and what two people are likely to have the exact same requirements, in every precise detail?
There is 'a state' in which every human being started out wanting and desiring.

And, just like how, 'What is, actually, Right, and Wrong, in Life? 'What is, actually, True, in Life?' are found and uncovered, is by 'that', which every one agrees with, and accepts, so to is how, 'What is, actual, perfection?' is found, and uncovered, in the exact same way.

What absolutely every human being started out, in Life, wanting and desiring, is 'a state of perfection', which could be orientated towards, obviously once how 'that state' could be reached and is achieved is first learned, and understood, but which is 'a state', like you agree with that may not ever actually be able to be reached, and achieved. However, the, real, 'beauty', here, is, finally, 'knowing' what the, actual, agreed upon, and accepted, by all, 'goal' is, in Life, and that 'we' are all working together towards making 'that goal', 'the Reality'.

After all, all working together, in peace and in harmony, as One, towards the exact same goal that everyone, naturally, wants and desires anyway, is, in itself, an existing state of 'Perfection', Itself.

Again, 'It' is not 'a state' that can be reached nor achieved, but 'It' is a state , when existing, is, already, exiting.
(Although this might sound contradictory, to some, it can be explained further, and in much, much more detsil.)
Harbal wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:40 pm I don't know who that man is, so I have no idea what his fruits are, but I'm guessing he has money.
In return, perfection not only sees but attracts beauty.
How do you arrive at that conclusion?
Conclusion: Perfection that doesn't bear fruit enough to attract beauty is not perfection,
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Age wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 9:13 pm
Walker wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:21 pm
Harbal wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:37 am What makes you think she sees any?
I think that she sees perfection, and the fruits thereof. In return, perfection not only sees but attracts beauty.
Could she not just see a;

'big penis',
'fame',
'father figure', or 'a daddy'.
'money',
'beauty'
I think that's approximately right. Greed and hormones have always had the tendency to change imperfections to perfection...as required.
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Sometimes they do, and folks who notice often marvel.

Note that the perfection of technique attracts a beautiful result, thus attracts beauty.

The bust is from a different time and a different culture than now, but it's still beautiful, as it was then.
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Walker wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:16 pm Re: Beauty and Perfection have the same definition.

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Sometimes they do, and folks who notice often marvel.

Note that the perfection of technique attracts a beautiful result, thus attracts beauty.
No, it creates a beautiful result; or at least it does in your above example, it does not attract one, and there's no reason why a perfect technique could not be used to create something ugly.
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