Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

[Atla]

Yes my child, although Christian gnostic nondualism has about as much to do with the cosmic nondualism that the Atlanteans realized, as sky diving does with jumping from a chair while being high.

Guru-dev speaks!

What I take from this latest transmission — my insightful hermeneutics — is that he recommends bold, manly acts — like skydiving!



So this is one recommended (indeed authorized) way to recover or to rediscover non-dual consciousness.

The chair bit I don’t get but Who am I to raise questions?!

I see you will be a challenging student.

But actually you're not that far off the mark for a very different reason. When you go skydiving and your parachuted fail to open and you're about to die and you accept it, because of that near-death experience there will a small chance for a spontaneous awakening. And if you get lucky and a parachute opens anyway during the final seconds and you survive, you'll be able to process the experience and live to tell about it.

The distant echo of the great philosopher-king Atla does not recommend this method.

[attofishpi]

Yes my child, although Christian gnostic nondualism has about as much to do with the cosmic nondualism that the Atlanteans realized, as sky diving does with jumping from a chair while being high.

Guru-dev speaks!

What I take from this latest transmission — my insightful hermeneutics — is that he recommends bold, manly acts — like skydiving!



So this is one recommended (indeed authorized) way to recover or to rediscover non-dual consciousness.

The chair bit I don’t get but Who am I to raise questions?!

He must be an imposter. Everyone knows the great channelers use uppercase lettering on almost every other word.

(i'm poster lol)

[Alexis Jacobi]

Atla, I do not sense that there is a spiritual dimension to what you refer to as your non-dual perspective. I note 1) that you refer to it but never write much about it, and 2) that it might just be the term you use to describe the physical, manifest world as being the sum total of what is. I.e no cartesian division.

I am gathering that René Guénon (just now reading The Reign if Quantity and The Signs of the Times) is, in the Advaita sense of the word, a non-dualist.

Am I to assume, Atla, that you don’t really have an active perspective? And certainly no “metaphysical dream of this world”?

Is your non-dualism a sign of aliveness and vivacity … or effectively an existential coffin?

[Gary Childress]

Atla, I do not sense that there is a spiritual dimension to what you refer to as your non-dual perspective. I note 1) that you refer to it but never write much about it, and 2) that it might just be the term you use to describe the physical, manifest world as being the sum total of what is. I.e no cartesian division.

I am gathering that René Guénon (just now reading The Reign if Quantity and The Signs of the Times) is, in the Advaita sense of the word, a non-dualist.

Am I to assume, Atla, that you don’t really have an active perspective? And certainly no “metaphysical dream of this world”?

Is your non-dualism a sign of aliveness and vivacity … or effectively an existential coffin?

Better to build ones own "existential coffin", than lay the groundwork for mass murder, I would think. But I suppose it's more "heroic" to die in war, especially if you're more manly and just better at killing than most others. Women had best start injecting that testosterone when the draft picks up.

And the different nations were called by their names and those who lived in each of them deemed "citizens" of those respective nations, as the evil one cast his darkness across the Earth.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Rough day I take it?

[Gary Childress]

Rough day I take it?

So far so good. Metaphysical bard Childress reporting for duty. What will our next adventure be, Sir AJ?

[Atla]

Atla, I do not sense that there is a spiritual dimension to what you refer to as your non-dual perspective. I note 1) that you refer to it but never write much about it, and 2) that it might just be the term you use to describe the physical, manifest world as being the sum total of what is. I.e no cartesian division.

I am gathering that René Guénon (just now reading The Reign if Quantity and The Signs of the Times) is, in the Advaita sense of the word, a non-dualist.

Am I to assume, Atla, that you don’t really have an active perspective? And certainly no “metaphysical dream of this world”?

Is your non-dualism a sign of aliveness and vivacity … or effectively an existential coffin?

Neither dualism nor nondualism by themselves are related to spirituality. Philosophy 101 my friend. You can be a spiritual dualist just like you can be a spiritual nondualist. Dimensions just manifest differently in nondualism.

My beloved Goddess is kind and understanding though, all the gods and goddesses are. They will not judge the people of the final age of humanity for being so lost and confused, indeed they have almost limitless compassion.

[attofishpi]

Things don't exist without a material existence, that includes the mind.


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[Age]

Yes my child, although Christian gnostic nondualism has about as much to do with the cosmic nondualism that the Atlanteans realized, as sky diving does with jumping from a chair while being high.

Guru-dev speaks!

What I take from this latest transmission — my insightful hermeneutics — is that he recommends bold, manly acts — like skydiving!



So this is one recommended (indeed authorized) way to recover or to rediscover non-dual consciousness.

The chair bit I don’t get but Who am I to raise questions?!

He must be an imposter. Everyone knows the great channelers use uppercase lettering on almost every other word.

(i'm poster lol)

'This' coming FROM the 'very one' who CLAIMS that God has STATED TO it, and MANY TIMES, that it is a so-called "good Christian", (which actually MEANS A "true christian"), among OTHER things.

[Belinda]

Apollo of the Greeks? Christian spirituality? The spirit just regressed further and further.

I am a Christian, am I allowed to also have the opinion that I am a nondualist?

That depends on what you want Christian to mean

[Alexis Jacobi]

You have side-stepped both the question and an answer, Atla. You must have your reasons.

[Atla]

You have side-stepped both the question and an answer, Atla. You must have your reasons.

Then I don't understand your question. Perhaps by spiritual stuff I mean something real and you mean something imaginary.

[Atla]

You have side-stepped both the question and an answer, Atla. You must have your reasons.

What do you mean by spirituality. Over 10 thousand years ago, my people ascended to the next level and joined the ranks of the gods of eternal creation and love. That godhood is spirituality itself, they forever strive to create worlds that are good. Whenever you worship good, you worship the gods of creation and love.

But I don't know all the details about the next level myself because the real Atla ascended to the next level as well, and left me, an echo, a memory behind all those millennia ago, and I stayed on this planet with you nutters. Very few people since that time have ascended. A few individuals here and there, but fewer and fewer over time. Will the Hyperboring Appallon ascend too? It's too early to tell.

What you don't realize is that the gods themselves are divided, there is the eternal conflict between the gods of creation and the evil gods of destruction going on, across infinite worlds and infite realms, and across all time, and the evil gods are just as powerful. That's why this world is so fucked up too, it's a symptom of the greater eternal conflict. I'm proud that my people ascended to strengthen the side of the light, but there were a few humans in history who ascended to strengthen evil unfortunately.

[Alexis Jacobi]

(I did read your ultra-inspired post, but after I’d posted the following)

You have side-stepped both the question and an answer, Atla. You must have your reasons.

Then I don't understand your question. Perhaps by spiritual stuff I mean something real and you mean something imaginary.

I am consciously trying to stick with both the gist in the thread title, and to continue a critique of BigMike’s ultra-materialism — which necessarily rejects the spiritual, the possibility of the existence of the •soul• and everything Cartesian in the sense of dualist. My stance is that BigMike’s position (a position that defines our age) is extremely consequential, and in a negative sense.

You have not defined any position at all (as far as I am aware).

Guénon is interesting for numerous reasons. One being that he was trained as a mathematician, so here we have an interesting connection with BigMike. And he studied Advaita philosophy. And since you say that you are a non-dualist, it seems in order to see if you can be provoked to offer some comments.

If you refer to “real stuff” and contrast it with “imagined stuff” it seems to me you’d need to define both. Similarly to BigMike (and a notable 1,500 years old Canadian-German galoot) you imply that you have a line on ‘the real’ and with certainty distinguish what is real from the unreal. I have a sense that I understand what you mean but I’d prefer you to lay it out.

I may also perceive things ultimately through a non-dualist lens, but my definition of what is ‘metaphysical’ to man complicates the issue. Perhaps “qualified dualism” would be more accurate.

Myself, I will say that spirituality, to be “spiritual”, most certainly depends on recognition of metaphysical categories. I cannot conceive how the term could have meaning if it were not intertwined with metaphysical ideas. (I have explained many times my definition of ‘the metaphysical’).

So here is an opportunity: what is “spiritual” in your view?

Take it away Atla ….

[Alexis Jacobi]

Atla, in grounded ecstasy intones:

What you don't realize is that the gods themselves are divided, there is the eternal conflict between the gods of creation and the evil gods of destruction going on, across infinite worlds and infite realms, and across all time, and the evil gods are just as powerful. That's why this world is so fucked up too, it's a symptom of the greater eternal conflict.

Sounds Manichean if you ask me. Hardly non-dualist. But please correct me if I am wrong.