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Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:11 pm
by Terrapin Station
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:08 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:11 pm
What in the world does "meaning is holistic" amount to?
It amounts to everything.
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:11 pm
I don't want to move on to something else other than your confusion about what platonic forms are at the moment.
You don't know what platonic forms are either. You aren't Plato.
So lets focus on why you think my interpretation is "confused" and yours isn't.
Why, in your view, would it (only) refer to what was in Plato's mind, per how Plato thought about it?
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:16 pm
by Skepdick
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:11 pm
Why, in your view, would it (only) refer to what was in Plato's mind, per how Plato thought about it?
Seems you've misunderstood my objection.
When it comes to "confusion" about the theory of forms, the least confused person in the history of humanity was Plato himself.
Maker's knowledge, not user's knowledge.
Unfortunately, synchronous communication with Plato is not possible, so neither of us could improve on our "confusion" any further (I won't bore you with the technical details of the Mathematical theory of Communication and error correction)
And since Plato is not here to adjudicate this dick-swinging contest either, it's also rather pointless insisting that your (mis?)interpretation of Plato's theory is "not confused", but mine is.
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:23 pm
by Terrapin Station
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:16 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:11 pm
Why, in your view, would it (only) refer to what was in Plato's mind, per how Plato thought about it?
Seems you've misunderstood my objection.
When it comes to "confusion" about the theory of forms, the least confused person in the history of humanity was Plato himself.
Maker's knowledge, not user's knowledge.
Unfortunately, synchronous communication with Plato is not possible, so neither of us could improve on our "confusion" any further (I won't bore you with the technical details of the Mathematical theory of Communication and error correction)
And since Plato is not here to adjudicate this dick-swinging contest either, it's also rather pointless insisting that your (mis?)interpretation of Plato's theory is "not confused", but mine is.
You said that I don't know what platonic forms are either because I'm not Plato. Why would being Plato be required to know what platonic forms are?
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:26 pm
by Skepdick
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:23 pm
You said that I don't know what platonic forms are either because I'm not Plato. Why would being Plato be required to know what platonic forms are?
Since you are equivocating "knowledge"... no, it's not required.
I know what they are.
You know what they are.
You think I am mistaken.
Ditto.
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:29 pm
by Terrapin Station
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:26 pm
Since you are equivocating "knowledge"
How is this possible on your holistic view of meaning?
I know what they are.
You think that shape implies platonic form, because one sense of "form" is "shape."
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:31 pm
by Skepdick
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:29 pm
How is this possible on your holistic view of meaning?
Which part seems impossible to you?
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:29 pm
You think that shape implies platonic form, because one sense of "form" is "shape."
That's not holistic.
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:31 pm
by Terrapin Station
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:31 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:29 pm
How is this possible on your holistic view of meaning?
Which part seems impossible to you?
That's not holistic.
It's not part of everything?
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:35 pm
by Skepdick
It isn't?
So it's transcendental?
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:37 pm
by Terrapin Station
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:35 pm
It isn't?
So it's transcendental?
You're taking a question to be a statement, I suppose.
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:39 pm
by Skepdick
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:37 pm
You're taking a question to be a statement, I suppose.
I am not?
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:40 pm
by Terrapin Station
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:39 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:37 pm
You're taking a question to be a statement, I suppose.
I am not?
You didn't answer.
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:41 pm
by Skepdick
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:45 pm
by Terrapin Station
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:41 pm
I did. With a question.
Which I don't count as answering. Hence "You didn't answer."
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:47 pm
by Skepdick
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:45 pm
Which I don't count as answering. Hence "You didn't answer."
OK, but I told you I intended it to be counted as an answer, so you seem wee bit dismissive.
Re: What is P and -P?
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:49 pm
by Terrapin Station
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:47 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:45 pm
Which I don't count as answering. Hence "You didn't answer."
OK, but I told you I intended it to be counted as an answer, so you seem wee bit dismissive.
Yes, I'm dismissive if it doesn't count as an answer to me. Your intention wouldn't matter there. You didn't answer.