What is P and -P?

[Terrapin Station]

What in the world does "meaning is holistic" amount to?

It amounts to everything.

I don't want to move on to something else other than your confusion about what platonic forms are at the moment.

You don't know what platonic forms are either. You aren't Plato.

So lets focus on why you think my interpretation is "confused" and yours isn't.

Why, in your view, would it (only) refer to what was in Plato's mind, per how Plato thought about it?

[Skepdick]

Why, in your view, would it (only) refer to what was in Plato's mind, per how Plato thought about it?

Seems you've misunderstood my objection.

When it comes to "confusion" about the theory of forms, the least confused person in the history of humanity was Plato himself.

Maker's knowledge, not user's knowledge.

Unfortunately, synchronous communication with Plato is not possible, so neither of us could improve on our "confusion" any further (I won't bore you with the technical details of the Mathematical theory of Communication and error correction)

And since Plato is not here to adjudicate this dick-swinging contest either, it's also rather pointless insisting that your (mis?)interpretation of Plato's theory is "not confused", but mine is.

[Terrapin Station]

Why, in your view, would it (only) refer to what was in Plato's mind, per how Plato thought about it?

Seems you've misunderstood my objection.

When it comes to "confusion" about the theory of forms, the least confused person in the history of humanity was Plato himself.

Maker's knowledge, not user's knowledge.

Unfortunately, synchronous communication with Plato is not possible, so neither of us could improve on our "confusion" any further (I won't bore you with the technical details of the Mathematical theory of Communication and error correction)

And since Plato is not here to adjudicate this dick-swinging contest either, it's also rather pointless insisting that your (mis?)interpretation of Plato's theory is "not confused", but mine is.

You said that I don't know what platonic forms are either because I'm not Plato. Why would being Plato be required to know what platonic forms are?

[Skepdick]

You said that I don't know what platonic forms are either because I'm not Plato. Why would being Plato be required to know what platonic forms are?

Since you are equivocating "knowledge"... no, it's not required.

I know what they are.
You know what they are.

You think I am mistaken.

Ditto.

[Terrapin Station]

Since you are equivocating "knowledge"

How is this possible on your holistic view of meaning?

I know what they are.

You think that shape implies platonic form, because one sense of "form" is "shape."

[Skepdick]

How is this possible on your holistic view of meaning?

Which part seems impossible to you?

You think that shape implies platonic form, because one sense of "form" is "shape."

That's not holistic.

[Terrapin Station]

How is this possible on your holistic view of meaning?

Which part seems impossible to you?



That's not holistic.

It's not part of everything?

[Skepdick]

It's not part of everything?

It isn't?

So it's transcendental?

[Terrapin Station]

It's not part of everything?

It isn't?

So it's transcendental?

You're taking a question to be a statement, I suppose.

[Skepdick]

You're taking a question to be a statement, I suppose.

I am not?

[Terrapin Station]

You're taking a question to be a statement, I suppose.

I am not?

You didn't answer.

[Skepdick]

You didn't answer.

I did. With a question.

[Terrapin Station]

You didn't answer.

I did. With a question.

Which I don't count as answering. Hence "You didn't answer."

[Skepdick]

Which I don't count as answering. Hence "You didn't answer."

OK, but I told you I intended it to be counted as an answer, so you seem wee bit dismissive.

[Terrapin Station]

Which I don't count as answering. Hence "You didn't answer."

OK, but I told you I intended it to be counted as an answer, so you seem wee bit dismissive.

Yes, I'm dismissive if it doesn't count as an answer to me. Your intention wouldn't matter there. You didn't answer.