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Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:59 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:15 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:47 am And, as I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, 'I' LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING 'you' TO THE NEXT STAGE ALONG and UP the EVOLUTIONARY LADDER OF 'Life', and OF 'Existence', Itself.

How many humans today have made it to that next stage along?

From what I have observed one.

And there we have your judgments of humans at this time. They are not at the stage that you are at. I say you have judgments of humans at the time this is written and you deny this. But here's yet another way you have this. I don't know if this one is you or perhaps there is some other human you grant equal status to.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:06 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:18 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:10 am I 'now' WONDER IF 'this one' has READ TO THE END OF MY RESPONSE here?

No.
I do not get the impression you read my posts with an open mind.

Now here there could NOT be ANY FURTHER NOR ANY STRONGER PROOF FOR what I have been talking ABOUT and CLAIMING, and now PROVED IRREFUTABLY, that one's OWN ASSUMPTIONS and/or BELIEFS COMPLETELY and UTTERLY STOP and PREVENT 'that one' FROM SEEING and LEARNING, and thus KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING what the ACTUAL Truth OF 'things' IS, EXACTLY.As well STOPPING and PREVENTING 'them' FROM LEARNING and UNDERSTANDING HOW-TO even RECOGNIZE and/or FIND the ACTUAL Truth OF 'things'.

The recent example of you claiming I thought I had eternal omniscience was one example.

Already in the first few sentences of your posts, you manage to continue the patterns I've noticed. It's enough.

Thank you. It was worth repeating.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:09 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:59 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:15 am How many humans today have made it to that next stage along?

From what I have observed one.

And there we have your judgments of humans at this time. They are not at the stage that you are at.

OF COURSE NOT. And, 'I' have been CONTINUALLY SAYING 'this' and POINTING 'this' Fact OUT.

And, let 'us' NOT FORGET that OBVIOUSLY some JUDGMENTS ARE ACTUALLY JUSTIFIED.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:09 am I say you have judgments of humans at the time this is written and you deny this.

ONCE MORE, I NEVER EVER even DENIED 'this'.

'you' REALLY DO NEED TO CATCH UP ON 'your' READING, and COMPREHENDING, SKILLS here "iwannaplato". That is; IF 'you' REALLY DO WANT TO COMPREHEND, and UNDERSTAND, what I AM, and HAVE BEEN, ACTUALLY SAYING, and MEANING.

I would SUGGEST that 'you' GO BACK and RE-READ, but I AM NOT SURE that DOING THAT would even WORK FOR 'you', especially considering HOW 'you' ARE here, EXACTLY.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:09 am
But here's yet another way you have this.

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND 'this' here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:09 am I don't know if this one is you or perhaps there is some other human you grant equal status to.

Okay.

Also, THANK 'you' FOR BEING 'the way' 'you' ARE here.

'you' ARE PROVING MY CLAIMS IRREFUTABLY True. Which, in turn, IS HELPING IN CREATING and REACHING 'the goal' here, which I HAVE SET OUT TO ACCOMPLISH, and CREATE.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:14 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:06 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:18 am No.
I do not get the impression you read my posts with an open mind.

Now here there could NOT be ANY FURTHER NOR ANY STRONGER PROOF FOR what I have been talking ABOUT and CLAIMING, and now PROVED IRREFUTABLY, that one's OWN ASSUMPTIONS and/or BELIEFS COMPLETELY and UTTERLY STOP and PREVENT 'that one' FROM SEEING and LEARNING, and thus KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING what the ACTUAL Truth OF 'things' IS, EXACTLY.As well STOPPING and PREVENTING 'them' FROM LEARNING and UNDERSTANDING HOW-TO even RECOGNIZE and/or FIND the ACTUAL Truth OF 'things'.

The recent example of you claiming I thought I had eternal omniscience was one example.

Already in the first few sentences of your posts, you manage to continue the patterns I've noticed. It's enough.

Thank you. It was worth repeating.

AND AGAIN, THANK 'you' FOR REPEATING 'this'. BY DOING SO 'you' ARE ACTUALLY REINFORCING, and FURTHER PROVING IRREFUTABLY True, EXACTLY, and ABSOLUTELY, what I HAVE BEEN SAYING, and CLAIMING, here.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:26 am AND AGAIN, THANK 'you' FOR REPEATING 'this'. BY DOING SO 'you' ARE ACTUALLY REINFORCING, and FURTHER PROVING IRREFUTABLY True, EXACTLY, and ABSOLUTELY, what I HAVE BEEN SAYING, and CLAIMING, here.

Well, we're both pleased then.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:22 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:09 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:59 am
From what I have observed one.

And there we have your judgments of humans at this time. They are not at the stage that you are at.

OF COURSE NOT. And, 'I' have been CONTINUALLY SAYING 'this' and POINTING 'this' Fact OUT.

And, let 'us' NOT FORGET that OBVIOUSLY some JUDGMENTS ARE ACTUALLY JUSTIFIED.

Of course they can be. So, it's so odd that you denied you made judgments of all humans at the time of this writing. You could have saved time and been more honest and agreed that you did make these kinds of negative judgments.

'you' ARE PROVING MY CLAIMS IRREFUTABLY True. Which, in turn, IS HELPING IN CREATING and REACHING 'the goal' here, which I HAVE SET OUT TO ACCOMPLISH, and CREATE.

You're still confused about what proof is.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:30 am Would 'you' like to LEARN A FEW MORE 'things' LIKE:

WHO and WHAT the word God REFERS TO, EXACTLY?
WHO, and WHAT, 'I' AM, EXACTLY?
Who and what 'you' ARE, EXACTLY?
The MEANING of Life?
The PURPOSE of 'your', human beings', lives?
HOW the Mind AND the brain WORK, EXACTLY?
WHAT and HOW 'you', adult human beings, are the ONLY 'things' WHO DO Wrong and CREATE 'problems'?
WHAT 'problems' ARE, EXACTLY?
HOW TO SOLVE ALL OF 'those problems'?
HOW TO CREATE A Truly Peaceful AND Harmonious world FOR Everyone, and HOW 'this' WILL, and DOES, COME ABOUT?
HOW TO RESOLVE and thus REACH THE RESOLUTION OF ALL so-called 'philosophical discussions/questions'?
HOW the Universe WORKS, EXACTLY?
HOW the Universe CREATES, EXACTLY?
WHAT the Universe IS, EXACTLY?
And/or, MANY OTHER 'things' here?

As I've said, I consider the patterns of interaction you engage in here to be toxic. And while those are very interesting topics, you are not someone I want to turn to for that information, precisely because of how you interact. And, then, you're not the only option, if you even are an option, for learning about those things.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:40 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:26 am AND AGAIN, THANK 'you' FOR REPEATING 'this'. BY DOING SO 'you' ARE ACTUALLY REINFORCING, and FURTHER PROVING IRREFUTABLY True, EXACTLY, and ABSOLUTELY, what I HAVE BEEN SAYING, and CLAIMING, here.

Well, we're both pleased then.

It LOOKS and SOUNDS like 'it'.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:43 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:22 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:09 am And there we have your judgments of humans at this time. They are not at the stage that you are at.

OF COURSE NOT. And, 'I' have been CONTINUALLY SAYING 'this' and POINTING 'this' Fact OUT.

And, let 'us' NOT FORGET that OBVIOUSLY some JUDGMENTS ARE ACTUALLY JUSTIFIED.

Of course they can be.

GREAT. So, now 'we' can AGREE UPON and ACCEPT that MAKING JUDGMENTS IS NOT necessarily a 'bad' NOR 'negative' 'thing' AT ALL, right?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:43 am So, it's so odd that you denied you made judgments of all humans at the time of this writing.

AND, I STILL AM DENYING EVER DOING ANY such 'thing'.

Will 'you' EXPLAIN WHY 'you' CONSIDER/JUDGE 'me' DENYING 'this' a so-called 'odd' 'thing'?

If no, then WHY NOT?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:43 am You could have saved time and been more honest and agreed that you did make these kinds of negative judgments.

BUT I NEVER MADE 'these kinds of negative judgments'. ONCE AGAIN, I suggest 'you' READ ONLY the ACTUAL WORDS that I SAY, WRITE, and USE here, AND DO 'this' WITHOUT the PRECONCEPTIONS, PRESUMPTIONS, nor BELIEFS, which 'you' ARE currently SHOWING 'you' HAVE and ARE WANTING TO HOLD ONTO here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:43 am

'you' ARE PROVING MY CLAIMS IRREFUTABLY True. Which, in turn, IS HELPING IN CREATING and REACHING 'the goal' here, which I HAVE SET OUT TO ACCOMPLISH, and CREATE.

You're still confused about what proof is.

REALLY?

'you', by the way, have STILL NOT INFORMED 'the readers' here OF what 'proof' ACTUALLY IS, EXACTLY, nor WHY 'I' AM ALLEGEDLY STILL CONFUSED ABOUT what 'proof' is.

BUT, 'this' WAS, and STILL IS, a VERY COMMON HABIT OF 'yours' "iwannaplato". Which 'you' OBVIOUSLY TO NOT WANT TO RECOGNIZE, ACKNOWLEDGE, and CHANGE.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:02 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:30 am Would 'you' like to LEARN A FEW MORE 'things' LIKE:

WHO and WHAT the word God REFERS TO, EXACTLY?
WHO, and WHAT, 'I' AM, EXACTLY?
Who and what 'you' ARE, EXACTLY?
The MEANING of Life?
The PURPOSE of 'your', human beings', lives?
HOW the Mind AND the brain WORK, EXACTLY?
WHAT and HOW 'you', adult human beings, are the ONLY 'things' WHO DO Wrong and CREATE 'problems'?
WHAT 'problems' ARE, EXACTLY?
HOW TO SOLVE ALL OF 'those problems'?
HOW TO CREATE A Truly Peaceful AND Harmonious world FOR Everyone, and HOW 'this' WILL, and DOES, COME ABOUT?
HOW TO RESOLVE and thus REACH THE RESOLUTION OF ALL so-called 'philosophical discussions/questions'?
HOW the Universe WORKS, EXACTLY?
HOW the Universe CREATES, EXACTLY?
WHAT the Universe IS, EXACTLY?
And/or, MANY OTHER 'things' here?

As I've said, I consider the patterns of interaction you engage in here to be toxic.

OKAY, BUT YET 'you' STILL CONTINUE TO INTERACT WITH 'me'.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:02 am And while those are very interesting topics, you are not someone I want to turn to for that information, precisely because of how you interact.

Okay. So not it appears that even if someone HAS ABSOLUTE True, Right, Accurate, and/or Correct knowledge of 'things' that 'you' do NOT YET KNOW, 'you' STILL DO NOT WANT TO INTERACT WITH 'that one', SOLELY BASED UPON 'your' OWN ASSUMPTION or BELIEF that 'the way' 'that one' interacts is so-called 'toxic', (whatever 'that' ACTUALLY MEANS).

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:02 am And, then, you're not the only option, if you even are an option, for learning about those things.

There was OBVIOUSLY NO suggestion AT ALL that I WAS, nor AM.

Also, do 'you', now, BELIEVE that I could NOT be A so-called 'option'?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:02 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:30 am Would 'you' like to LEARN A FEW MORE 'things' LIKE:

WHO and WHAT the word God REFERS TO, EXACTLY?
WHO, and WHAT, 'I' AM, EXACTLY?
Who and what 'you' ARE, EXACTLY?
The MEANING of Life?
The PURPOSE of 'your', human beings', lives?
HOW the Mind AND the brain WORK, EXACTLY?
WHAT and HOW 'you', adult human beings, are the ONLY 'things' WHO DO Wrong and CREATE 'problems'?
WHAT 'problems' ARE, EXACTLY?
HOW TO SOLVE ALL OF 'those problems'?
HOW TO CREATE A Truly Peaceful AND Harmonious world FOR Everyone, and HOW 'this' WILL, and DOES, COME ABOUT?
HOW TO RESOLVE and thus REACH THE RESOLUTION OF ALL so-called 'philosophical discussions/questions'?
HOW the Universe WORKS, EXACTLY?
HOW the Universe CREATES, EXACTLY?
WHAT the Universe IS, EXACTLY?
And/or, MANY OTHER 'things' here?

As I've said, I consider the patterns of interaction you engage in here to be toxic.

Would 'you' like to EXPLAIN FURTHER and/or ELABORATE on 'this sentence' and CLAIM here?

If no, then is it BECAUSE 'you' would PREFER to KEEP 'this' A SECRET, AS WELL?

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:16 am

OF COURSE NOT. And, 'I' have been CONTINUALLY SAYING 'this' and POINTING 'this' Fact OUT.

And, let 'us' NOT FORGET that OBVIOUSLY some JUDGMENTS ARE ACTUALLY JUSTIFIED.

Of course they can be. [/quote]

GREAT. So, now 'we' can AGREE UPON and ACCEPT that MAKING JUDGMENTS IS NOT necessarily a 'bad' NOR 'negative' 'thing' AT ALL, right?

Again, an unnecessary question. I think 'of course they can be' is very clear. Imagine a voice in the head or a viral subroutine in a computer, that is always taking up space and time, and doesn't care, really, about priorities, it has the priority of getting the mind to engage and turn back on itself. The motives can vary and presumably even accidental viral patterns can happen. But in the end the motives, if any, don't matter.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:43 am So, it's so odd that you denied you made judgments of all humans at the time of this writing.

AND, I STILL AM DENYING EVER DOING ANY such 'thing'.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:43 am You could have saved time and been more honest and agreed that you did make these kinds of negative judgments.

BUT I NEVER MADE 'these kinds of negative judgments'. ONCE AGAIN, I suggest 'you' READ ONLY the ACTUAL WORDS that I SAY, WRITE, and USE here, AND DO 'this' WITHOUT the PRECONCEPTIONS, PRESUMPTIONS, nor BELIEFS, which 'you' ARE currently SHOWING 'you' HAVE and ARE WANTING TO HOLD ONTO here.

Yup, well, there you go. The answers right there in your own words.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:43 am

'you' ARE PROVING MY CLAIMS IRREFUTABLY True. Which, in turn, IS HELPING IN CREATING and REACHING 'the goal' here, which I HAVE SET OUT TO ACCOMPLISH, and CREATE.

You're still confused about what proof is.

REALLY?

Another useless question.

'you', by the way, have STILL NOT INFORMED 'the readers' here OF what 'proof' ACTUALLY IS, EXACTLY, nor WHY 'I' AM ALLEGEDLY STILL CONFUSED ABOUT what 'proof' is.

Actually I did.

BUT, 'this' WAS, and STILL IS, a VERY COMMON HABIT OF 'yours' "iwannaplato". Which 'you' OBVIOUSLY TO NOT WANT TO RECOGNIZE, ACKNOWLEDGE, and CHANGE.

Again, you extrapolate from my not doing what you think I should do, to how I am in general and arrive at a negative judgment of me without proof.

Welcome to the category 'adult humans at the time of this writing.'

And further note some of these generalized negative judgments - this last one, and the also the one about my supposed belief in my own omniscience, as examples - some of them are so obviously incorrect, but further a moment's reflection would show you that you have no justification for them AND they are convenient.

Now humans do this. We are fallible creatures. It happens.

But in the context of dealing with someone who claims transcendence, hints at this incredible role they have, claims to know the secrets to everything and implicitly not to be involved in the problems that plague humanity
it's toxic.

In this case for yourself and I suppose anyone falling for it, but I don't see that happening, at least not here.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:25 am Would 'you' like to EXPLAIN FURTHER and/or ELABORATE on 'this sentence' and CLAIM here?

If no, then is it BECAUSE 'you' would PREFER to KEEP 'this' A SECRET, AS WELL?

I have been pointing out thing supporting this in nearly every posts for days now. Perhaps you think I didn't do a good job, but asking me if I want to keep it secret is just silly. It's gaslighting, though I can't be sure you know you are gaslighting.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:21 am OKAY, BUT YET 'you' STILL CONTINUE TO INTERACT WITH 'me'.

Yes. Because the patterns of toxicity mirror/are similar to patterns I encounter, have encountered and likely will encounter elsewhere. So, it gives me an opportunity to learn (hint, hint) and change (hint, hint) in other situations. One positive thing about the internet is it slows an encounter down. And I have already learned something very important from our interaction, something very valuable to me. I have described this, several days back, at a very general level, not particularly personally.

In any case, good observation. I consider your patterns not just but often toxic and yet I continue to interact.

Okay. So not it appears that even if someone HAS ABSOLUTE True, Right, Accurate, and/or Correct knowledge of 'things' that 'you' do NOT YET KNOW, 'you' STILL DO NOT WANT TO INTERACT WITH 'that one', SOLELY BASED UPON 'your' OWN ASSUMPTION or BELIEF that 'the way' 'that one' interacts is so-called 'toxic', (whatever 'that' ACTUALLY MEANS).

You must realize how many voices, faces, books, films, videos, people, entities say they have these truths. Obviously how these people interact and what they say/do are going to affect which ones I move toward in that way and which I ignore (as far as their role at teacher, revealer of (supposed) truth. Someone simply claiming to have this knowledge, well, that's a dime a dozen.

Nothing you've expressed so far has struck me as particularly new or of great insight and, as I've said, I find your patterns often toxic.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:02 am And, then, you're not the only option, if you even are an option, for learning about those things.

There was OBVIOUSLY NO suggestion AT ALL that I WAS, nor AM.

Also, do 'you', now, BELIEVE that I could NOT be A so-called 'option'?

I doubt it in the extreme. And then I have options that have been helpful, some for long periods, and without the toxicity.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:30 am Would 'you' like to LEARN A FEW MORE 'things' LIKE:

WHO and WHAT the word God REFERS TO, EXACTLY?
WHO, and WHAT, 'I' AM, EXACTLY?
Who and what 'you' ARE, EXACTLY?
The MEANING of Life?
The PURPOSE of 'your', human beings', lives?
HOW the Mind AND the brain WORK, EXACTLY?
WHAT and HOW 'you', adult human beings, are the ONLY 'things' WHO DO Wrong and CREATE 'problems'?
WHAT 'problems' ARE, EXACTLY?
HOW TO SOLVE ALL OF 'those problems'?
HOW TO CREATE A Truly Peaceful AND Harmonious world FOR Everyone, and HOW 'this' WILL, and DOES, COME ABOUT?
HOW TO RESOLVE and thus REACH THE RESOLUTION OF ALL so-called 'philosophical discussions/questions'?
HOW the Universe WORKS, EXACTLY?
HOW the Universe CREATES, EXACTLY?
WHAT the Universe IS, EXACTLY?

Sure. Tell us The MEANING of Life.