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Re: Name that fallacy...

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Age wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 12:05 pm AND what was 'that post', EXACTLY?
If you click on the arrow, in posts with a quote or with the quote elided, it will take you back to the post the person is responding to.
ALSO, was 'this post' of 'yours' here one of those JUDGMENT POSTS OF 'me' here, which when 'you' SAY I make 'judgments' of "others" is A NEGATIVE 'thing' TO DO?
Yes, I make judgments of people and I have beliefs.
You judge all humans at the time of this writing. You have negative judgments of everyone and you have made tle his clear in dozens of posts. See the difference? Further every single judgment is a belief about what is true.

So, you are wrong/lying when you say you have just one belief.
And when I am critical of your judgments it is because you see yourself as transcending the people of this time AND you judge all of them.
I also point these out because the fact that you have these judgments affects how you relate to people and this in turn is part of why they stop wanting to communicate with you or react to you in ways you are critical of - often lumping the individual with all the members of the human race at this time.

Despite your fantasies about your amazing ROLE, you are a member of the human race or an entity that has the same foibles, with the added foible that you think you transcend all that.

Much of this is clear from my previous posts. Those feelings you have in relation to my posts, they also connect your to the rest of humanity. Transcendent, my hindquarters, ken.
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Re: Name that fallacy...

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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm
Age wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 12:05 pm AND what was 'that post', EXACTLY?
If you click on the arrow, in posts with a quote or with the quote elided, it will take you back to the post the person is responding to.
YES I KNOW 'this' ALREADY.

But, for now, what we have CLEAR PROOF of 'this one', ONCE AGAIN, NOT providing ANY 'thing', which backs up and supports 'its' BELIEFS and/or CLAIMS. Here we can ALSO CLEAR EVIDENCE that 'this one' ACTUALLY DOES NOT HAVE ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing', which backs up and supports 'its' BELIEFS and/or CLAIMS here.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm
ALSO, was 'this post' of 'yours' here one of those JUDGMENT POSTS OF 'me' here, which when 'you' SAY I make 'judgments' of "others" is A NEGATIVE 'thing' TO DO?
Yes, I make judgments of people and I have beliefs.
OKAY. So, WHY CRITICIZE, and NEGATIVELY, "another" for DOING EXACTLY what 'you', "yourself", DO "iwannaplato"?
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm You judge all humans at the time of this writing.
'This' here is ANOTHER example of ANOTHER CLAIM OF 'yours', "iwannaplato", which could NOT be ANY FURTHER FROM the ACTUAL Truth of 'things'.

ONCE MORE, I WILL suggest that 'you' ACTUALLY READ the ACTUAL WORDS that I SAY, WRITE, and USE here, and then make ALL of 'your' COMMENTS, REMARKS, AND CLAIMS BASED SOLELY UPON MY ACTUAL WORDS, ALONE.

'This way' 'you' will NOT SAY and MAKE SO MANY False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect COMMENTS and CLAIMS, like 'you' HAVE BEEN.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm You have negative judgments of everyone and you have made tle his clear in dozens of posts.
'you' ARE ABSOLUTELY Wrong, AGAIN. 'This CLAIM' OF 'yours' could NOT BE MORE False.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm See the difference?
I CAN SEE that BECAUSE of 'your' VERY STRONGLY HELD ONTO BELIEFS and/or PRESUMPTIONS 'you' ARE SEEING 'things', which REALLY DO NOT EXIST here. What can be SEEN here is ANOTHER example of 'YOUR' 'confirmation biases', which, by the way, IS DISTORTING 'your' VIEWS here, and which has LED 'you' TO SEE some so-called 'difference', which ACTUALLY DOES NOT EXIST but IS of 'your' OWN MAKING, ONLY.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm Further every single judgment is a belief about what is true.
AGAIN, If 'this' IS what 'you' BELIEVE IS TRUE, then 'this' HAS TO BE TRUE and MUST BE TRUE, TO 'you', ALONE.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm So, you are wrong/lying when you say you have just one belief.
ONCE AGAIN, 'this one' here ACTUALLY BELIEVES that 'it' KNOWS the thinking/thought processes WITHIN "other heads".

And, 'this' IS BECAUSE 'this one' ACTUALLY BELIEVES that 'it' IS MORE POWERFUL, MORE GREATER, MORE INTELLIGENT, HAS MORE INSIGHT and/or IS MORE ENLIGHTENED than "others" are.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm And when I am critical of your judgments it is because you see yourself as transcending the people of this time AND you judge all of them.
Besides 'this' here being ABSOLUTELY False AND Wrong, now 'you' are SHOWING and REVEALING that 'you' ACTUALLY BELIEVE that the Wrong that 'you' DO is BETTER or LESS Wrong than the Wrong that 'you' JUDGE 'me' UPON.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm I also point these out because the fact that you have these judgments affects how you relate to people and this in turn is part of why they stop wanting to communicate with you or react to you in ways you are critical of
AGAIN, I ACCEPT 'this'. I ACCEPTED 'this' A LONG TIME AGO now. AND, I have KNOWN that 'this' OCCURRED/OCCURS for a LONG TIME now, but what 'you' KEEP seem to be MISSING or MISUNDERSTANDING IS that what 'you', posters, here KEEP CONTINUALLY DOING here IS MISINTERPRETING or MISUNDERSTANDING the ACTUAL WORDS that I AM USING, and SO MISS the ACTUAL 'POINT' that I AM/HAVE BEEN POINTING OUT.

As ABSOLUTELY PROVED True, ONCE AGAIN, in 'your' following WORDS in the next quoted part here.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm - often lumping the individual with all the members of the human race at this time.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm Despite your fantasies about your amazing ROLE,
ONCE AGAIN, ANY VIEW of some SUPPOSED 'amazing ROLE' here is ALL OF 'your' OWN MAKING "iwannaplato", AND which EXISTS IN 'that head' ONLY.

And, ONCE MORE, 'this' is just ANOTHER example of False AND Wrong ASSUMPTIONS and/or BELIEFS, which have LED TO COMPLETELY False AND Wrong CONCLUSIONS/CONFIRMATION BIASES.

I will AGAIN SUGGEST having A LOOK, and A READING, of MY ACTUAL WORDS WITHOUT ANY PRESUMPTIONS nor ANY PRECONCEPTIONS, and JUST SEE if 'this' makes ANY DIFFERENCE here?
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm you are a member of the human race or an entity that has the same foibles, with the added foible that you think you transcend all that.
And 'this' is what 'you' ABSOLUTELY PRESUME and BELIEVE IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. Therefore, 'you' are NOT ABLE TO LOOK AT, SEE, NOR CONCLUDE 'things' in ANY OTHER WAY here.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm Much of this is clear from my previous posts.
YES it IS VERY CLEAR that 'you' have KEPT RE-REPEATING 'your' SAME VERY OLD VIEWS, PRESUMPTIONS, and BELIEFS here. Which, let 'us' NOT FORGET have ALSO been COMPLETELY UNABLE TO back up and support WITH ANY ACTUAL PROOF. Which IS what 'you' will NEED TO ACTUAL DO before 'i' WILL ACCEPT and AGREE WITH 'your' PREEXISTING PRESUMPTIONS and BELIEFS here.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm Those feelings you have in relation to my posts, they also connect your to the rest of humanity.
WHAT 'feelings'?

Before, if I RECALL Correctly, 'you' MADE SOME REMARK or CLAIM ABOUT 'me' NOT even KNOWING or NOT BEING ABLE TO KNOW nor RECOGNIZE 'feelings'.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:28 pm Transcendent, my hindquarters, ken.
OKAY.

Here 'we' HAVE MORE PROOF of what 'this one' CURRENTLY BELIEVED, ABSOLUTELY, WAS TRUE, BACK in the days when this WAS written.

Which EXPLAINS and SHOWS, FULLY, WHY 'this one' HAD ALREADY CONCLUDED, and KEPT MAKING, SO MANY False AND Wrong ACCUSATIONS and CLAIMS here.
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Re: Name that fallacy...

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Age wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:36 pm YES I KNOW 'this' ALREADY.
And, again, the pattern of asking questions, even when they are not necessary. Asking for evidence when it has been given, repeatedly, in post after post, including this one. There, another bit of evidence, Age, of your habit of questioning, which in good faith I answered, to get the answer with random capital letters 'YES I KNOW 'this' ALREADY' when no question was necessary.

Rude, but a minor example of the pattern. Go back through the posts and see the evidence throughout, if you are interested. If you're not, no skin off my nose.
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Re: Name that fallacy...

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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:23 pm
Age wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:36 pm YES I KNOW 'this' ALREADY.
And, again, the pattern of asking questions, even when they are not necessary.
BUT 'they' ARE, and WERE, necessary. In order for 'me' TO POINT OUT, SHOW, and ILLUSTRATE what I WANT/ED TO.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:23 pm Asking for evidence when it has been given, repeatedly, in post after post, including this one.
Here, ONCE AGAIN, 'we' can CLEARLY SEEN the OBFUSCATION or REFLECTION, which was CONSTANTLY BEING SHOWN WHEN one COULD NOT back up and support 'their CLAIMS nor BELIEFS'.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:23 pm There, another bit of evidence, Age, of your habit of questioning, which in good faith I answered, to get the answer with random capital letters 'YES I KNOW 'this' ALREADY' when no question was necessary.
If 'this' IS what 'you' SEE/SAW, then OKAY.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:23 pm Rude, but a minor example of the pattern. Go back through the posts and see the evidence throughout, if you are interested.
HOW MANY TIMES DO 'you' NEED TO BE TOLD, and INFORMED, that I DO NOT LOOK AT and USE 'evidence' BECAUSE OF 'its' True WORTHLESSNESS, BEFORE 'you' COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND 'this Truly IRREFUTABLE Fact'.

ONCE AGAIN, I LOOK AT and USE 'PROOF' INSTEAD, and ONLY.

It IS like 'these posters' here, BACK THEN, ABSOLUTELY BLIND and/or DEAF.

Which, as can be CLEARLY SEEN 'they' ACTUALLY WERE A LOT OF the time.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:23 pm If you're not, no skin off my nose.
From THE 'one' WHO WILL NOT ANSWER THE ACTUAL QUESTION posed, and ASKED TO 'it', SAYING and WRITING, 'If 'you' ARE NOT INTERESTED, then 'this' IS 'NO skin of 'its' nose', IS QUITE FUNNY and VERY HUMOROUS TO SEE here, especially considering the Fact that 'the one' ASKING QUESTIONS TO GAIN and OBTAIN ACTUAL CLARITY AND A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE the "other" IS COMING FROM, EXACTLY, OBVIOUSLY IS, or WAS, INTERESTED, and 'the one' SHOWING ACTUAL INTEREST.
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Re: Name that fallacy...

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Age wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:34 pm BUT 'they' ARE, and WERE, necessary. In order for 'me' TO POINT OUT, SHOW, and ILLUSTRATE what I WANT/ED TO.
Nope. You asked which post. I explained how you could find out. You then tell me you knew already. It's very simple. There was no need for that question, and this is made clear by your response. All other points you could have made without that.
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Re: Name that fallacy...

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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:36 pm
Age wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:34 pm BUT 'they' ARE, and WERE, necessary. In order for 'me' TO POINT OUT, SHOW, and ILLUSTRATE what I WANT/ED TO.
Nope.
ONCE AGAIN, here 'we' CAN VERY CLEARLY SEE that 'this one' ACTUALLY BELIEVES that 'it' KNOWS ALL 'things' FOREVER MORE, and, BELIEVES that 'it' KNOWS the 'thinking/thought processes' WITHIN 'other heads' AGAIN.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:36 pm You asked which post. I explained how you could find out. You then tell me you knew already. It's very simple.
AFTER 'you' EXPLAINED what 'it' WAS that 'you' were ACTUALLY GOING ON ABOUT, then 'I', FINALLY, HAD SOME 'thing' TO LOOK AT, and SEE. So, THEN 'I' WAS ABLE TO RESPOND, and talk ABOUT or refer TO, what 'it' WAS. Which, it ENDED UP, I ALREADY KNEW, anyway.

But, ONCE AGAIN, what can be CLEARLY SEEN here IS the DEFLECTION habit OF 'this one' CONTINUING ON.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:36 pm There was no need for that question, and this is made clear by your response.
BUT the ACTUAL INTENTIONS OF MY QUESTIONS/QUESTIONING ONLY 'I' KNOW.

Or, do 'you' STILL WANT TO PERSIST WITH 'your' BELIEF that 'you' KNOW the 'thought/thinking processes' WITHIN 'this and "other's head/s'?
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:36 pm All other points you could have made without that.
MY QUESTIONS ARE ASKED TO SHOW, REVEAL, and ILLUSTRATE 'things', which 'you' ARE CLEARLY NOT YET AWARE OF "iwannaplato".

'you' KEEP appear to be thinking or BELIEVING that MY WRITINGS/REPLIES here are INTENDED FOR 'you' ALONE. BUT SORRY TO BURST 'your' ego-centric VIEWS or BELIEFS, 'they' ARE NOT.
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Re: Name that fallacy...

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Age wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:45 pm ONCE AGAIN, here 'we' CAN VERY CLEARLY SEE that 'this one' ACTUALLY BELIEVES that 'it' KNOWS ALL 'things' FOREVER MORE, and, BELIEVES that 'it' KNOWS the 'thinking/thought processes' WITHIN 'other heads' AGAIN.
Nothing I have said indicates that I believe I know all things forever more. And note the irony of you criticizing the me claiming to know the thought processes of another individual....
in the same post where you hallucinate that I think I am omniscient.

Here you presented yet another belief, in this case about me. And it's not the one belief you claim to have.

Again, more evidence presented by me. In the past despite having done this in now dozens of instances, you continue to say I have offered nothing to back up these claims.

And for the record, there are all sorts of things I do not know and I know this. Every day I wake up hoping to learn a few more things. I don't know the what people are doing in the town hall in Boise, if anything. I don't know if consciousness is necessary to collapse the wave form. I do not know if you are an entity who is in ken's body or channeling through it or you are ken (with perhaps some other real world name) who things he is this entity with a special role or thinks he is channeling it or something else is going on with you and the transcendence you think you have or are.

I don't know what my wife is dreaming right now. I don't....

Well, you get it. You're hilarious false claim quoted above is false. And you have no evidence to back up such a radical claim. You do have evidence that on many occasions I assert things without qualification.

But then so do you, as you did in the quote above.

Welcome to humanity. Another person/entity with beliefs and judgments and emotional reactions and irritation and denials and distractions and foibles and mistakes.

I think you'd have a different interaction with people and find your communication achieving much more if you could acknowledge all of that.

Though I suppose other problems might arise.

It's hard to imagine it going worse than it is now, in any case. I mean, here at PN. I have no idea how well your social interactions and social life are going offline or on other websites, if any.
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Re: Name that fallacy...

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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm
Age wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:45 pm ONCE AGAIN, here 'we' CAN VERY CLEARLY SEE that 'this one' ACTUALLY BELIEVES that 'it' KNOWS ALL 'things' FOREVER MORE, and, BELIEVES that 'it' KNOWS the 'thinking/thought processes' WITHIN 'other heads' AGAIN.
Nothing I have said indicates that I believe I know all things forever more.
OKAY. IF 'you' BELIEVE SO.

BUT, 'your' VERY ADAMANT 'Nope' ANSWER, INDICATES, well TO 'me' anyway, that 'you' KNOW, and KNEW, the INTENTION/S/REASON/S behind what MY QUESTION/S/ING WAS EXACTLY, and 'you' KNOW 'this' FOREVER MORE.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm And note the irony of you criticizing the me claiming to know the thought processes of another individual....
BUT I NEVER CRITICIZED 'you' ABOUT 'this'.

I just POINTED OUT TO 'the readers' here WHAT 'you' ARE DOING.

Did 'you' LOOK AT 'my words' here AS CRITICISM?
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm in the same post where you hallucinate that I think I am omniscient.
BUT I HAVE NEVER, ONCE, THOUGHT THAT 'you' ARE OMNISCIENT "iwannaplato".
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm Here you presented yet another belief, in this case about me.
BUT I ACTUALLY NEVER EVEN THOUGHT 'it', so HOW, EXACTLY, COULD HAVE I EVEN BELIEVED 'it'?

'you' REALLY DO MISINTERPRET, TWIST AROUND, DISTORT, and/or MISCONSTRUE QUITE A LOT OF what I SAY and WRITE here "iwannaplato". WHY do 'you' think or IMAGINE 'this' IS, EXACTLY?
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm And it's not the one belief you claim to have.
I WILL REMIND 'you' that 'we' ALREADY KNOW what 'you' BELIEVE TO BE TRUE here.

AND REMEMBER 'we' have ALREADY AGREED that what 'you' BELIEVE TO BE TRUE COULD ACTUALLY BE False or UNTRUE.

Or, do 'you' WANT TO CLAIM DIFFERENTLY now?
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm Again, more evidence presented by me.
AGAIN, 'evidence' IS ACTUALLY USELESS compared to and relative to 'proof', itself.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm In the past despite having done this in now dozens of instances, you continue to say I have offered nothing to back up these claims.
'you' have NOT OFFERED ANY ACTUAL PROOF, JUST MIGHT BE MORE OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING, and CLAIMING. And, ONLY ON RE-READING WILL the ACTUAL Truth BE SEEN, and thus BECOME CLEARER, here.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm And for the record, there are all sorts of things I do not know and I know this.
Okay.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm Every day I wake up hoping to learn a few more things.
Would 'you' like to LEARN A FEW MORE 'things' LIKE:

WHO and WHAT the word God REFERS TO, EXACTLY?
WHO, and WHAT, 'I' AM, EXACTLY?
Who and what 'you' ARE, EXACTLY?
The MEANING of Life?
The PURPOSE of 'your', human beings', lives?
HOW the Mind AND the brain WORK, EXACTLY?
WHAT and HOW 'you', adult human beings, are the ONLY 'things' WHO DO Wrong and CREATE 'problems'?
WHAT 'problems' ARE, EXACTLY?
HOW TO SOLVE ALL OF 'those problems'?
HOW TO CREATE A Truly Peaceful AND Harmonious world FOR Everyone, and HOW 'this' WILL, and DOES, COME ABOUT?
HOW TO RESOLVE and thus REACH THE RESOLUTION OF ALL so-called 'philosophical discussions/questions'?
HOW the Universe WORKS, EXACTLY?
HOW the Universe CREATES, EXACTLY?
WHAT the Universe IS, EXACTLY?
And/or, MANY OTHER 'things' here?

Are 'you' CURIOS and INTERESTED IN LEARNING 'these things', AND/OR MORE?
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm I don't know the what people are doing in the town hall in Boise, if anything. I don't know if consciousness is necessary to collapse the wave form.
Did 'you' even KNOW what 'consciousness' IS, EXACTLY, BEFORE 'you' even BEGAN WONDERING IF 'consciousness', itself, is necessary or not to collapse the so-called and alleged 'wave form'?

In fact, did 'you' even KNOW, EXACTLY, what the 'wave form' IS, EXACTLY, BEFORE 'you' STARTED WONDERING here?
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm I do not know if you are an entity who is in ken's body or channeling through it or you are ken (with perhaps some other real world name) who things he is this entitiy with a special role or thinks he is channeling it or something else is going on with you and the transcendence you think you have or are.
AND 'this' IS BECAUSE 'you' have NEVER SHOWN ANY REAL and True INTEREST IN 'FINDING OUT'.

IF 'you' DID, then 'you' COULD HAVE LEARNED, and thus KNOWN, 'these things' ALREADY, by 'now'.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm I don't know what my wife is dreaming right now. I don't....

Well, you get it. You're hilarious false claim quoted above is false. And you have no evidence to back up such a radical claim.
ONCE AGAIN, 'you' HAVE HIGHLIGHTED and POINTED OUT MY, UNINTENTIONAL, False CLAIM/S here. I MEANT TO ADD, between the 'things' AND 'FOREVER' words, 'the words' like, 'in regards to my intentions/reasons BEHIND my questions/questioning here'.

SO, what can be CLEARLY SEEN here is HOW just a FEW MISSED WORDS ALONE, or a FEW MISPLACED or INCORRECT WORDS, 'HELP' in the ABSOLUTE Truth being COMPLETELY and UTTERLY MISSED and/or MISUNDERSTOOD, OR PARTIALLY MISSED and/or MISUNDERSTOOD.

ONCE AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY FOR MY LAZY ATTENTION TO DETAIL, AND TO MY VERY CLUMSY WAY OF SPEAKING and WRITING here.
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Re: Name that fallacy...

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Age wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:30 am OKAY. IF 'you' BELIEVE SO.
Wow, that's a non-response. Does Age still believe that I think I know everything? Did he change his position after reading my post? Who knows. Is this evasive? Is it because he can't admit the rather obvious fact that it was a ridiculous claim on his part? Dunno.
BUT, 'your' VERY ADAMANT 'Nope' ANSWER, INDICATES, well TO 'me' anyway, that 'you' KNOW, and KNEW, the INTENTION/S/REASON/S behind what MY QUESTION/S/ING WAS EXACTLY, and 'you' KNOW 'this' FOREVER MORE.
I wrote:
And, again, the pattern of asking questions, even when they are not necessary. Asking for evidence when it has been given, repeatedly, in post after post, including this one. There, another bit of evidence, Age, of your habit of questioning, which in good faith I answered, to get the answer with random capital letters 'YES I KNOW 'this' ALREADY' when no question was necessary.
Which led to the conclusion I thought I knew everything. And now seems to include claims about what I will know through the rest of eternity on this one issue.

It seems like a fairly straightforward claim about an instance of a habit. Ask a question and when someone answers...yeah, I already knew that.

It's a minor impoliteness, but it's an example of a pattern.
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Re: Name that fallacy...

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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm You do have evidence that on many occasions I assert things without qualification.
Okay, if 'you' SAY SO.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm But then so do you, as you did in the quote above.
AND, I HAVE EXPLAINED THE VERY REASONS WHY I DO 'this', on numerous occasions already.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm Welcome to humanity.
And, as I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, 'I' LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING 'you' TO THE NEXT STAGE ALONG and UP the EVOLUTIONARY LADDER OF 'Life', and OF 'Existence', Itself.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm Another person/entity with beliefs and judgments and emotional reactions and irritation and denials and distractions and foibles and mistakes.
WHY 'you' LIKE TO LIST SOME OF these PURPORTED BELIEFS and JUDGMENTS here, so that 'we' CAN AT LEAST SEE 'them', LOOK AT 'them', AND DISCUSS 'them'?

Or, would 'you' PREFER NOT TO?
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm I think you'd have a different interaction with people and find your communication achieving much more if you could acknowledge all of that.
ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT, EXACTLY?

That 'this' IS WHAT 'you' SEE here, OR, that WHAT 'you' SEE IS ABSOLUTELY True?

Or, is there some 'thing' ELSE that 'you' REALLY WANT 'me' TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL OF, EXACTLY?

By the way, are 'you' ABLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE that ALL OF what 'you' SEE, SAY, and CLAIM COULD ACTUALLY BE THE RESULT OF A DISTORTED WAY OF LOOKING and SEEING?

ARE 'you' ABLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE that 'what' 'you' HAVE CONCLUDED here COULD BE False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect, or partly false, wrong, inaccurate, and/or incorrect? Or, is 'this' NOT POSSIBLE FOR 'you' TO ACKNOWLEDGE and ACCEPT?

ONCE AGAIN, 'your' Truly OPEN and Honest to 'these' and ALL CLARIFYING QUESTIONS WILL BE and ARE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm Though I suppose other problems might arise.
Like 'what', for example?
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm It's hard to imagine it going worse than it is now, in any case.
Okay. 'you' are Right here some of 'us' ARE SEEING the EXACT SAME 'thing'.
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:59 pm I mean, here at PN. I have no idea how well your social interactions and social life are going offline or on other websites, if any.
Okay.
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Re: Name that fallacy...

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Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:43 am
Age wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:30 am OKAY. IF 'you' BELIEVE SO.
Wow, that's a non-response.
BUT 'it' IS A RESPONSE.

As can be CLEARLY SEEN, RECOGNIZED, and PROVED True, AS WELL.
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:43 am Does Age still believe that I think I know everything?
I 'now' WONDER IF 'this one' has READ TO THE END OF MY RESPONSE here?
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:43 am Did he change his position after reading my post?
'you' WILL HAVE TO WAIT, TO SEE.

THE END OF MY RESPONSE MIGHT ENLIGHTEN 'you', here.
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:43 am Who knows.
'Those' WHO have READ, TO THE END.

Also, has "iwannaplato" CHANGED 'its' POSITION AFTER REALLY 'my posts'?
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:43 am Is this evasive?
Is 'what', EXACTLY, evasive?

'you' appear to CONCLUDE A LOT OF 'things', BASED UPON 'your' OWN thoughts, views, PRESUMPTIONS, BELIEFS, and/or WRITINGS, ALONE.

Which, as I HAVE ALREADY ILLUSTRATED, SHOWN, and PROVED True, THROUGH and BY THE QUESTIONING OF "others" here CAN BE VERY FALLIBLE.
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:43 am Is it because he can't admit the rather obvious fact that it was a ridiculous claim on his part? Dunno.
SEE how 'this one' VERY RARELY, IF EVER, ACTUALLY ASKS FOR CLARIFICATION FROM 'me', and INSTEAD MUCH RATHER PREFERS TO ASK LEADING QUESTIONS, TO NO ACTUAL 'one'.

BUT, 'this' TYPE OF WAY OF MISBEHAVING and/or MISLEADING was OBSERVED COMMONLY AMONG what was REFERRED TO AS "bullies" and/or "bullying", which WAS DONE as A WAY TO GARNISH, literal, 'back up' AND 'support', FROM "others".

See, ATTEMPTING TO RIDICULE, HUMILIATE, and/or PUT DOWN "another/others", WAS 'the way' GROUPS of 'these human beings' would GARNISH SUPPORT, 'bandy together', and FORM LARGER GROUPS WHEN 'they' WANT TO GO TO WAR or FIGHT AGAINST "another" or "others".

'THIS WAY' OF MISBEHAVING and PREPARING FOR WAR WAS DONE either TO HAVE A PHYSICAL WAYS, or TO HAVE A MENTAL WAR, as can be SEEN here, in this forum.
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:43 am
BUT, 'your' VERY ADAMANT 'Nope' ANSWER, INDICATES, well TO 'me' anyway, that 'you' KNOW, and KNEW, the INTENTION/S/REASON/S behind what MY QUESTION/S/ING WAS EXACTLY, and 'you' KNOW 'this' FOREVER MORE.
I wrote:
And, again, the pattern of asking questions, even when they are not necessary. Asking for evidence when it has been given, repeatedly, in post after post, including this one. There, another bit of evidence, Age, of your habit of questioning, which in good faith I answered, to get the answer with random capital letters 'YES I KNOW 'this' ALREADY' when no question was necessary.
Which led to the conclusion I thought I knew everything. And now seems to include claims about what I will know through the rest of eternity on this one issue.
'you' seem TO BE MAKING COMPLEX what IS NOT NECESSARY TO.
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:43 am It seems like a fairly straightforward claim about an instance of a habit.
Are 'you' somehow SUGGESTING that 'your' OWN OBVIOUS HABITS here are somehow BETTER, LESS NEGATIVE and/or MORE ACCEPTABLE than MY OBVIOUS HABITS ARE?
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:43 am Ask a question and when someone answers...yeah, I already knew that.
Well, OBVIOUSLY, UNTIL 'you' ANSWER, and thus PROVIDE CLARITY, I WOULD NOT KNOW what 'you' WERE THINKING/MEANING.

AND, JUST AS OBVIOUS, ONLY AFTER 'you' ANSWER/CLARIFY, then, and ONLY THEN, I WOULD KNOW, or NOT, IF I ALREADY KNEW, or NOT.

WHY do 'you' FIND 'this' SO COMPLEX and/or HARD here TO UNDERSTAND and COMPREHEND?
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:43 am It's a minor impoliteness, but it's an example of a pattern.
BUT A MINOR so-called IMPOLITENESS that ANNOYS 'you', right?

I WONDER IF 'you' CAN SEE 'your' HABIT/S here now?
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Age wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:47 am And, as I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, 'I' LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING 'you' TO THE NEXT STAGE ALONG and UP the EVOLUTIONARY LADDER OF 'Life', and OF 'Existence', Itself.
How many humans today have made it to that next stage along?
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Age wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:10 am I 'now' WONDER IF 'this one' has READ TO THE END OF MY RESPONSE here?
No.
I do not get the impression you read my posts with an open mind. The recent example of you claiming I thought I had eternal omniscience was one example.

Already in the first few sentences of your posts, you manage to continue the patterns I've noticed. It's enough.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:15 am
Age wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:47 am And, as I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, 'I' LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING 'you' TO THE NEXT STAGE ALONG and UP the EVOLUTIONARY LADDER OF 'Life', and OF 'Existence', Itself.
How many humans today have made it to that next stage along?
From what I have observed one.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:18 am
Age wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:10 am I 'now' WONDER IF 'this one' has READ TO THE END OF MY RESPONSE here?
No.
Fair enough.
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:18 am I do not get the impression you read my posts with an open mind.
Now here there could NOT be ANY FURTHER NOR ANY STRONGER PROOF FOR what I have been talking ABOUT and CLAIMING, and now PROVED IRREFUTABLY, that one's OWN ASSUMPTIONS and/or BELIEFS COMPLETELY and UTTERLY STOP and PREVENT 'that one' FROM SEEING and LEARNING, and thus KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING what the ACTUAL Truth OF 'things' IS, EXACTLY.As well STOPPING and PREVENTING 'them' FROM LEARNING and UNDERSTANDING HOW-TO even RECOGNIZE and/or FIND the ACTUAL Truth OF 'things'.

ALSO 'you' GOT, and HAVE 'this impression' BECAUSE 'you' DID NOT READ MY POST.

And, as I have BEEN CONTINUALLY POINTING OUT and SHOWING here 'these people' DID NOT DO 'things', like ACTUALLY READ and LISTEN TO what "others" WRITE, and SAY, IS BECAUSE of their currently HELD ONTO PREEXISTING ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS.

As IS CLEARLY SEEN here, ONCE AGAIN.
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:18 am The recent example of you claiming I thought I had eternal omniscience was one example.
And the VERY REASON WHY 'you' STILL think or BELIEVE 'this' here IS BECAUSE 'you' WILL NOT READ, and LISTEN TO, MY WORDS and TO WHAT I AM ACTUALLY SAYING, and MEANING.
Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:18 am Already in the first few sentences of your posts, you manage to continue the patterns I've noticed. It's enough.
The WORDS, 'it's enough', SAY 'it' ALL and IS, literally, ENOUGH TO PROOF, IRREFUTABLY, and ABSOLUTELY, what I have BEEN TALKING ABOUT, SHOWING, and REVEALING here regarding BELIEFS, and the POWER OF the BELIEF-system.

Which CONCLUDES WHY, EXACTLY, 'these people' WOULD JUST STOPPING INTERACTING WITH 'me' and/or IGNORING 'me' COMPLETELY and ABSOLUTELY.

'These people, BACK THEN, DID NOT READ nor LISTEN TO "others" BECAUSE 'they', literally, BELIEVED that 'they' ALREADY KNEW WHAT the ACTUAL TRUTH IS, EXACTLY.

WHICH, on RETROSPECT, is about one of the FUNNIEST and HUMOROUS 'things' TO OBSERVE and WATCH PLAY OUT here. So, IMAGINE HOW it WAS HAVING TO LIVE IN and AMONG 'that way' of life, and living?
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