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Re: US and Israel attack Iran
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:26 pm
by Walker
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:23 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:22 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:06 pm
It seems to me that the most important thing to do right now is to deescalate hostilities somehow and work toward peaceful transition of our world from a hegemony into a multi-polar world.
"Peaceful multi-polar world," is a conceptual ideal that only manifests locally and temporarily, but not forevermore in reality.
OK. Thank you for your reply.
I did an edit while you were thanking me (you're quite welcome), so can you please verify that you are also thanking me for the insightful, accurate, and pertinent edit that you likely didn't see, when thanking? (We'll see if the magic word works).
Re: US and Israel attack Iran
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:28 pm
by Gary Childress
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:26 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:23 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:22 pm
"Peaceful multi-polar world," is a conceptual ideal that only manifests locally and temporarily, but not forevermore in reality.
OK. Thank you for your reply.
I did an edit while you were thanking me (you're quite welcome), so can you please verify that you are also thanking me for the insightful, accurate, and pertinent edit that you likely didn't see, when thanking? (We'll see if the magic word works).
Your edit is fair enough. As long as it's done through peaceful negotiations.
Re: US and Israel attack Iran
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:31 pm
by Walker
Is this the edit you are referencing ... just to be clear about what must be done in the world for your large-scale ambition to be realized.
Walker wrote:"Peaceful multi-polar world," is a conceptual ideal that only manifests locally and temporarily, but not forevermore in reality. Working towards the ideal is currently underway in Persia by taking away the tools of terror, although taking it from minds is the actual necessity.
Re: US and Israel attack Iran
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:32 pm
by Walker
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:28 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:26 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:23 pm
OK. Thank you for your reply.
I did an edit while you were thanking me (you're quite welcome), so can you please verify that you are also thanking me for the insightful, accurate, and pertinent edit that you likely didn't see, when thanking? (We'll see if the magic word works).
Your edit is fair enough. As long as it's done through peaceful negotiations.
For how many years must negotiations go on, that includes the capacity to fund proxy terrorists during peaceful negotiations, before changing tactics?
Re: US and Israel attack Iran
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:37 pm
by Gary Childress
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:32 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:28 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:26 pm
I did an edit while you were thanking me (you're quite welcome), so can you please verify that you are also thanking me for the insightful, accurate, and pertinent edit that you likely didn't see, when thanking? (We'll see if the magic word works).
Your edit is fair enough. As long as it's done through peaceful negotiations.
For how many years must negotiations go on, before changing tactics?
If tactics are going to be changed, then bullying with military force probably should not be among the choices at all. Like it or not, diplomacy is an art that we need to get good at. But maybe Trump can pull it off.
Re: US and Israel attack Iran
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:52 pm
by Walker
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:37 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:32 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:28 pm
Your edit is fair enough. As long as it's done through peaceful negotiations.
For how many years must negotiations go on, before changing tactics?
If tactics are going to be changed, then bullying with military force probably should not be among the choices at all. Like it or not, diplomacy is an art that we need to get good at. But maybe Trump can pull it off.
Have you not noticed the current diplomatic volatility of the diplomatic negotiations in the Iranian War that Iran effectively declared forty-seven years ago?
When the media announces that Tehran said this, or Iran said that, keep in mind that power to speak for Iran is in flux, without an internal consensus about what should be said.
That's why the cease-fires are often broken. This is going to happen because when lying is foundational to a theocratic government, the negotiators lose the capacity to apprehend mutual benefit in negotiations because after all, benefiting the Great Satan and Little Satan would be wrong.
Re: US and Israel attack Iran
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:57 pm
by phyllo
That's why the cease-fires are often broken. This is going to happen because when lying is foundational to a theocratic government, the negotiators lose the capacity to apprehend mutual benefit in negotiations because after all, benefiting the Great Satan and Little Satan would be wrong.
When you have two liars negotiating and a genocidal country like Israel involved, there are going to be problems.
Re: US and Israel attack Iran
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:58 pm
by Gary Childress
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:52 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:37 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:32 pm
For how many years must negotiations go on, before changing tactics?
If tactics are going to be changed, then bullying with military force probably should not be among the choices at all. Like it or not, diplomacy is an art that we need to get good at. But maybe Trump can pull it off.
Have you not noticed the current diplomatic volatility of the diplomatic negotiations in the Iranian War that Iran effectively declared forty-seven years ago?
When the media announces that Tehran said this, or Iran said that, keep in mind that power to speak for Iran is in flux, without an internal consensus about what should be said.
That's why the cease-fires are often broken. This is going to happen because when lying is foundational to a theocratic government, the negotiators lose the capacity to apprehend mutual benefit in negotiations because after all, benefiting the Great Satan and Little Satan would be wrong.
Well, the government is fragmented and in flux. But who is responsible for that after killing their heads of state? If Iran is in flux, then Trump had better hope that Iran pulls itself together into something that will seek peace. If he's going to be a good president, then he'll have to own his mistakes. But, Trump is unpredictable. Maybe he can do a magic act and turn into a peace maker. However, he's made his own job more difficult.
Re: US and Israel attack Iran
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2026 1:14 pm
by FlashDangerpants
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:52 pm
That's why the cease-fires are often broken. This is going to happen because when lying is foundational to a theocratic government, the negotiators lose the capacity to apprehend mutual benefit in negotiations because after all, benefiting the Great Satan and Little Satan would be wrong.
Your government is becoming increasingly theocratic and is a source of endless lies. The first thing Trump did on the first day of his first presidency was lie about how many people attended his inauguration. He's lied every day since.
And he hasn't honoured a single deal. He just tears them up. Nobody believes the USA will comply with a trade deal while Trump is president. Nobody believes he is good for a ceasefire either. You can't behave like Trump and expect to also retain credibility.
The sheer audacity of you of all people throwing shade for dishonesty is quite breath-taking.