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Maia wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:48 pm

Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:39 am

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:21 am
+++Did you know that 'jew' was a generic term in ancient times for anyone who is not from your own town, or is homeless, rejected, or transient, such as those trading goods from different places? It is also the likely root of 'you' in English. That is, "Jew" hints at whether any actual historical precedence exists for those ancient 'jews' who founded Judaism to OWN LAND!+++

No, I didn't know that. Primarily because it's not true. The term "Jew" comes from Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

+++Point is, Palestinians are far more 'indigenous' to the land and your more relatively recent ancestors took advantage of the British mandate LEAVING out the Arabs who helped Britain regain back their land. The mere ACCEPTANCE of such an arrogant claim is inappropriate from the start.+++

My ancestors? Not sure what you're saying there, to be honest, but I'm not Jewish. I found Israel to be a fascinating and friendly place when I visited it, but I wouldn't want to live there.

+++Question: If you are of the belief in a 'state' by and for only Jews under the banner of 'Zionism', are you not aware that this defines the intentional foundation of 'fascism'?+++

20% of Israeli citizens are Arab Muslims. Israel is a secular state.

"No, I didn't know that. Primarily because it's not true. The term "Jew" comes from Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel.
" I was absolutely being sincere but figured you might presume this. POLITICS plays a big role in expressing what one thinks is the actual eytymological roots of language. But all you have with "Judah" does not relate. Judah should relate to 'judges'. But you wouldn't connect that with "jew'.

'jew' was as I said it and it makes sense in context. And just as a simple related term, "jewel" is a high density 'valuable' due to its ease in 'wandering' and literally means 'the wanderer'

Israel is NOT 'secular' in its JUSTIFICATION TO EXIST. Without Judaism, their HISTORICAL claim to all of the land is based on at least a PRETENSE of religiousity. The 20% is irrelevant. It should require adding the rest of the population if Israel was SO inclusive. But the reason Israel has an issue with the Palestinians is due to the FEAR that they make up far greater percentage of the population. Did you know that the population of Jewish people was sporadically located mostly near the north and had a mere 6% population but was given more than 50% of the land by arrogant British who both tricked the Arabs into freeing themselves successfully from the Turkish then DECIDED how the lands were to be divided upon in privileged closed doors that did NOT invite the Arabs.

Israel is 'fascist'. Being a 'rightwing' extreme, it WILL have SOME 'democracy': But for whatever the Jewish people ONLY decide. They would NOT ALLOW their country to have a larger plurality of Muslims for the simple reason such majorities would overrule the racist extremes against them and just flip the state.

So why are you visiting a country even on the KNOWING basis of the ongoing Settlements alone? This is not only theft, it is INTIMIDATION and 'terroristic' towards the Palestinians. Gaza border is artificially being run by Israel also, far far beyond any other respect of some OTHER 'sovereign nation. Why did you NOT go to Gaza for vacation instead?

Also, both sides are 'wrong' in many of their behaviors of which RELIGION is what guides their claims and emotional drives. Where one is 'secular', they SHOULD NOT be there 'officially'.....except if the system was wink, wink, just biased to favor one's 'Semitic' roots, a more clear proof of their racist ideals especially if one is non-religious to the core. Ironically, the more extreme 'orthodox' people with strong religious purpose, are against the Zionist concept as they too recognize what 'jew' meant to Jews.

+++I was absolutely being sincere but figured you might presume this. POLITICS plays a big role in expressing what one thinks is the actual eytymological roots of language. But all you have with "Judah" does not relate. Judah should relate to 'judges'. But you wouldn't connect that with "jew'.+++

Incorrect. And "judge", incidentally, comes from Latin, related to words like justice and judicial, and has nothing to do with "Jew". Interestingly, "jewel" also comes from Latin, from a word meaning a joke, via French. You appear to subscribe to the make it up as you go along school of etymology.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:48 pm I wouldn't go to any Muslim country for a holiday, let alone Gaza.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:58 pm Another well-reasoned and fact-rich argument from the creature that calls itself 'age'

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:47 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:43 am

Again, what is also 'interesting' is your take and view on 'legality'.

So let's suppose that Israel were to stop fighting and pull back or stand down its troops and weapons at this point.

Okay.

But just remember you can not 'now' agree with absolutely any thing that I say or claim, here. Otherwise "accelafine" will want, to and will 'try to', put 'you down', again, okay?

Oh, and by the way, are the people of "israel" 'fighting' to defend, or 'fighting', in attack?

But anyway let 'us' suppose the people of "Israel" were to stop dropping bombs and stopped shooting other human beings, and pulled back from their 'advancing' into what are called 'other people's lands'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 am 1. Will that make Israelis safer if they stand down their forces at this point?

The 'exact same thing', which would have made them safer, in the beginning.

If the people of "israel" had never started taking 'the lands' from 'other people', had never stopped the free movement of 'other people', had never stopped the freedom of 'other people', and had never started the oppression of 'other people', then 'other people' would not have started wanting to stop 'the fighting, and attacking' of the "israeli people'.

And, when you say, 'at this point', then 'at this point', it is 'too late' to just so-call 'stand down'.

The people of "Israel" will have to do a lot of begging, promising, and pleading, if 'at this point' they want to feel safer, from what they began.

However, if they did start begging, and promising, then they would receive 'forgiveness' far quicker than if 'this' was the other way around.

After all 'one religion' could be said to be based upon, 'an eye for an eye', while the other is based upon, 'peace be upon you'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 am If so, how will it make Israelis safer? If not, then why should Israel stand down its forces?

If the people of the 'other countries' were to so-call 'stand down', and this did not make them safer, then why should they 'stand down their forces'?

Let 'us' say, the people of one country has nuclear weapons, which, obviously, does not make the people of other countries safer, then why should the people's of those other countries not invest in and build and create nuclear weapons, also?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 am 2. Will it prevent Hamas from repeating the same things that they did on Oct 7, 2023 again sometime in the future if Israel stands down their forces at this point?

"gary childress", how are are group of oppressed people supposed to 're-act' and behave, exactly?

Do you really think or believe that the people in a group of people with the name "hamas" did what they did on Oct 7, 2023, just for the 'sake of it', and/or just for the 'fun of it'?

Have you ever thought to consider, 'Why did those 'human beings' do what they did?'

Also, how do you think any one of you human beings, in the day when this is being written, would want to react, in the future, if just one of 'the children', in what is perceived as 'your own particular group of people', was killed by a so-called 'another group of people'?

Now, times this by the number of children that are being killed in 'whatever country', in the "middle east", add the number of direct and indirect family members, then times the amount of hatred that will be 'brewing up', of the 'other group', and then imagine what 'the future' 'will hold'. What is 'currently' happening, 'now', in the days when 'you' are alive and well, is absolutely nothing compared to what could take place with an ever increasing amount of number of weapons and an ever increasing amount of destructive power of weapons. And, this is without even thinking about will can, and will happen, if the country you live, really, wants to get involved.

Why do you think Sep 11, 2001, happened?

Because the people of the "united states of america" have been fun loving, happy, and peaceful people with 'the people's' from all around 'the world'?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 am If so, how will it prevent Hamas from repeating the same activities in the future? If not, then why should Israel stand down its forces?

It does not matter one iota whatever name, or label, is given to and/or placed upon a 'group of people'. People will react in ways, which are not liked, by some, if and when they feel 'oppressed' in any way at all.

So, if people of any lands want to 'feel safer', then do not even 'try to' oppress any one else. This includes by 'telling others' that you can not have 'nuclear weapons', while at the exact same time 'holding nuclear weapons", "themselves".

Most of you adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, are just absolutely ridiculous, and beyond stupidity.

BUT, until any and/or all of you begin to 'look at' this irrefutable Fact, you will not learn and understand that 'the way' you 'currently' are 'now', when this is being written, is NOT due to 'you', alone.

Now, if you want to find the 'actual reasons' of 'why' you all are 'the way' you are, instead of 'trying to make up excuses and blame other things, then, again, you first need to 'accept responsibility', and then 'take responsibility' for all of your actions, and behaviors, 'good' and 'bad'. And, do not forget, you all do Wrong, and good. So, actually, no one is essentially more special nor better than another is.

Now, if you want to find the 'actual reasons' of 'why' we all are 'the way' we are, instead of 'trying to make up excuses and blame other things, then, again, we first need to 'accept responsibility', and then 'take responsibility' for all of our actions, and behaviors, 'good' and 'bad'. And, do not forget, we all do Wrong, and good. So, actually, no one is essentially more special nor better than another is.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:12 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:58 pm Another well-reasoned and fact-rich argument from the creature that calls itself 'age'

And, obviously one that you can not refute, nor even begin to counter.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:34 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:47 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 am

So let's suppose that Israel were to stop fighting and pull back or stand down its troops and weapons at this point.

Okay.

But just remember you can not 'now' agree with absolutely any thing that I say or claim, here. Otherwise "accelafine" will want, to and will 'try to', put 'you down', again, okay?

Oh, and by the way, are the people of "israel" 'fighting' to defend, or 'fighting', in attack?

But anyway let 'us' suppose the people of "Israel" were to stop dropping bombs and stopped shooting other human beings, and pulled back from their 'advancing' into what are called 'other people's lands'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 am 1. Will that make Israelis safer if they stand down their forces at this point?

The 'exact same thing', which would have made them safer, in the beginning.

If the people of "israel" had never started taking 'the lands' from 'other people', had never stopped the free movement of 'other people', had never stopped the freedom of 'other people', and had never started the oppression of 'other people', then 'other people' would not have started wanting to stop 'the fighting, and attacking' of the "israeli people'.

And, when you say, 'at this point', then 'at this point', it is 'too late' to just so-call 'stand down'.

The people of "Israel" will have to do a lot of begging, promising, and pleading, if 'at this point' they want to feel safer, from what they began.

However, if they did start begging, and promising, then they would receive 'forgiveness' far quicker than if 'this' was the other way around.

After all 'one religion' could be said to be based upon, 'an eye for an eye', while the other is based upon, 'peace be upon you'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 am If so, how will it make Israelis safer? If not, then why should Israel stand down its forces?

If the people of the 'other countries' were to so-call 'stand down', and this did not make them safer, then why should they 'stand down their forces'?

Let 'us' say, the people of one country has nuclear weapons, which, obviously, does not make the people of other countries safer, then why should the people's of those other countries not invest in and build and create nuclear weapons, also?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 am 2. Will it prevent Hamas from repeating the same things that they did on Oct 7, 2023 again sometime in the future if Israel stands down their forces at this point?

"gary childress", how are are group of oppressed people supposed to 're-act' and behave, exactly?

Do you really think or believe that the people in a group of people with the name "hamas" did what they did on Oct 7, 2023, just for the 'sake of it', and/or just for the 'fun of it'?

Have you ever thought to consider, 'Why did those 'human beings' do what they did?'

Also, how do you think any one of you human beings, in the day when this is being written, would want to react, in the future, if just one of 'the children', in what is perceived as 'your own particular group of people', was killed by a so-called 'another group of people'?

Now, times this by the number of children that are being killed in 'whatever country', in the "middle east", add the number of direct and indirect family members, then times the amount of hatred that will be 'brewing up', of the 'other group', and then imagine what 'the future' 'will hold'. What is 'currently' happening, 'now', in the days when 'you' are alive and well, is absolutely nothing compared to what could take place with an ever increasing amount of number of weapons and an ever increasing amount of destructive power of weapons. And, this is without even thinking about will can, and will happen, if the country you live, really, wants to get involved.

Why do you think Sep 11, 2001, happened?

Because the people of the "united states of america" have been fun loving, happy, and peaceful people with 'the people's' from all around 'the world'?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 am If so, how will it prevent Hamas from repeating the same activities in the future? If not, then why should Israel stand down its forces?

It does not matter one iota whatever name, or label, is given to and/or placed upon a 'group of people'. People will react in ways, which are not liked, by some, if and when they feel 'oppressed' in any way at all.

So, if people of any lands want to 'feel safer', then do not even 'try to' oppress any one else. This includes by 'telling others' that you can not have 'nuclear weapons', while at the exact same time 'holding nuclear weapons", "themselves".

Most of you adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, are just absolutely ridiculous, and beyond stupidity.

BUT, until any and/or all of you begin to 'look at' this irrefutable Fact, you will not learn and understand that 'the way' you 'currently' are 'now', when this is being written, is NOT due to 'you', alone.

Now, if you want to find the 'actual reasons' of 'why' you all are 'the way' you are, instead of 'trying to make up excuses and blame other things, then, again, you first need to 'accept responsibility', and then 'take responsibility' for all of your actions, and behaviors, 'good' and 'bad'. And, do not forget, you all do Wrong, and good. So, actually, no one is essentially more special nor better than another is.

If you are also equally to blame for the world's troubles (as you claim you are in another thread when I specifically asked you.), wouldn't it be more accurate to say:

Now, if you want to find the 'actual reasons' of 'why' we all are 'the way' we are, instead of 'trying to make up excuses and blame other things, then, again, we first need to 'accept responsibility', and then 'take responsibility' for all of our actions, and behaviors, 'good' and 'bad'. And, do not forget, we all do Wrong, and good. So, actually, no one is essentially more special nor better than another is.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:34 pm Otherwise, it kind of sounds like you are doing little more than engaging in social struggle, trying to establish "alpha" status down in the pit here with the rest of us. Do you see how the wording changes I made above might be a more compassionate as well as realistic approach to alerting people of what's going on?

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:49 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:12 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:58 pm Another well-reasoned and fact-rich argument from the creature that calls itself 'age'

And, obviously one that you can not refute, nor even begin to counter.

How does one 'counter' ipse dixit? That's all you ever respond with-- ''I'm right, you're wrong lol'' and classic strawmen. Every post is the same. You are pathetic.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:19 pm

Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:39 am

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:21 am

You are so full of crap. What are you even ranting on about? Learn to write properly for crying out loud, although I can understand why someone who doesn't have facts or history on their side would write incoherently. Who cares about the 'Britich Mandate'? That ended nearly a hundred years ago. What's the point in even bringing it up? The arabs missed their chance MULTIPLE TIMES and have been bitching about it ever since (in a homicidal way). Israel exists NOW. That's not going to change. If you want to go back in time, it's the Gazans who are squatting on Israeli land. Israel doesn't have to 'justify' its existence to anyone. Why would it? No other country has to. What do you want? The genocide of Israelis? Would that make you happy? Turn Israel into another islamic shit-hole that throws gays off buildings and stones and hangs women for being raped? Does it really annoy you THAT much that Jews have a country where they are relatively safe from being constantly slaughtered? How many countries do muslims have? Anyone who can still side with plasticinians after what they did is seriously fucked in the head. Strangling babies with their bare hands in front of their mother, a gleeful mob of 'ordinary' people, including children, tormenting them beforehand. How can you even think about that without feeling sick? Or don't you think about it? And yeah, it was all posted online because they are proud of what they do. It's real, unlike the pallywood videos and absurd AI photos that your ilk lap up, along with the bullshit about 'starving people' and 'genocide'. Where are all these starving people hiding? Fuck you.

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:48 pm


+++I was absolutely being sincere but figured you might presume this. POLITICS plays a big role in expressing what one thinks is the actual eytymological roots of language. But all you have with "Judah" does not relate. Judah should relate to 'judges'. But you wouldn't connect that with "jew'.+++

Incorrect. And "judge", incidentally, comes from Latin, related to words like justice and judicial, and has nothing to do with "Jew". Interestingly, "jewel" also comes from Latin, from a word meaning a joke, via French. You appear to subscribe to the make it up as you go along school of etymology.

+++So why are you visiting a country even on the KNOWING basis of the ongoing Settlements alone? This is not only theft, it is INTIMIDATION and 'terroristic' towards the Palestinians. Gaza border is artificially being run by Israel also, far far beyond any other respect of some OTHER 'sovereign nation. Why did you NOT go to Gaza for vacation instead?+++

It was a school trip, when I was in the sixth form. Didn't you read my post?

I wouldn't go to any Muslim country for a holiday, let alone Gaza.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:09 pm 'Fascist'. Another word that's lost its meaning thanks to illiterate racist woke morons like Scott Mayers who don't have a clue what it means-- just that it's 'not nice'. For fuck sake.

Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:08 am

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:48 pm


+++I was absolutely being sincere but figured you might presume this. POLITICS plays a big role in expressing what one thinks is the actual eytymological roots of language. But all you have with "Judah" does not relate. Judah should relate to 'judges'. But you wouldn't connect that with "jew'.+++

Incorrect. And "judge", incidentally, comes from Latin, related to words like justice and judicial, and has nothing to do with "Jew". Interestingly, "jewel" also comes from Latin, from a word meaning a joke, via French. You appear to subscribe to the make it up as you go along school of etymology.

+++So why are you visiting a country even on the KNOWING basis of the ongoing Settlements alone? This is not only theft, it is INTIMIDATION and 'terroristic' towards the Palestinians. Gaza border is artificially being run by Israel also, far far beyond any other respect of some OTHER 'sovereign nation. Why did you NOT go to Gaza for vacation instead?+++

It was a school trip, when I was in the sixth form. Didn't you read my post?

I wouldn't go to any Muslim country for a holiday, let alone Gaza.

I can't help that the etymology of words is politically affected. While my own assertion is guesswork to a degree on etymology, we have no choice with respect to terms that DO have a high circumstantial likelihood of being altered. Almost all the names in the Bible(s) are actually secular-based words.

On your school trip thing, I think you are probably not telling us everything. I'm guessing you were intentional to say that you are not an Israeli. But were you on one of the Israelism trips that Israel sponsors for JEWS? Or was it one with some Christian group. WHERE IS YOUR SCHOOL? It has to be nearby if you weren't being sponsored or that trip from living afar would seem an odd place to choose to go ....and with a whole class?

I think you are leaving something out. And why would you assert these as 'thoughts on Israel' in the still obviously weird context of a kind of happy-go-lucky vacation to Disneyland during a hurricane. !

Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:26 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:09 pm 'Fascist'. Another word that's lost its meaning thanks to illiterate racist woke morons like Scott Mayers who don't have a clue what it means-- just that it's 'not nice'. For fuck sake.

HA! 'Woke'? Nope. I've been campaigning against much of it along with my stance against censorship. I assure you that you wouldn't be able to handle what I can dish out. I'm 'nice' here by contrast.

A 'racist' is one who FAVORS their own racial kind with exclusive interest. Extensive to this, one can also 'hate' some opposing people, like those who hate the Palestinians or their Muslims.

Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:41 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:19 pm

Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:39 am

Maia wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:21 am

You are so full of crap. What are you even ranting on about? Learn to write properly for crying out loud, although I can understand why someone who doesn't have facts or history on their side would write incoherently. Who cares about the 'Britich Mandate'? That ended nearly a hundred years ago. What's the point in even bringing it up? The arabs missed their chance MULTIPLE TIMES and have been bitching about it ever since (in a homicidal way). Israel exists NOW. That's not going to change. If you want to go back in time, it's the Gazans who are squatting on Israeli land. Israel doesn't have to 'justify' its existence to anyone. Why would it? No other country has to. What do you want? The genocide of Israelis? Would that make you happy? Turn Israel into another islamic shit-hole that throws gays off buildings and stones and hangs women for being raped? Does it really annoy you THAT much that Jews have a country where they are relatively safe from being constantly slaughtered? How many countries do muslims have? Anyone who can still side with plasticinians after what they did is seriously fucked in the head. Strangling babies with their bare hands in front of their mother, a gleeful mob of 'ordinary' people, including children, tormenting them beforehand. How can you even think about that without feeling sick? Or don't you think about it? And yeah, it was all posted online because they are proud of what they do. It's real, unlike the pallywood videos and absurd AI photos that your ilk lap up, along with the bullshit about 'starving people' and 'genocide'. Where are all these starving people hiding? Fuck you.

If I'm 'incoherent', there's not much that you can make sense of then, right? So stop reading into your own confusion about who I am or my style of communicating and perhaps ask questions BEFORE you respond. I agree my style is not up to par. But most people here are just being themselves regardless of their own idiosyncrasies. I don't want to guess what particular problem you have here with your own reading skills but I don't see your written response as putting one over on me.

I see that you must be living under a rock with your own delusions here on the Middle East. I stand for the Palestinians and have actually downgraded my interpretation of Israelis given how they've behaved in response to the Hamas and mistreated the Palestinians. The rationale was clear: the Israelis have ALL the Palestinians trapped as HOSTAGES in an open air concentration camp prison and in the segregated West Bank by their Settlement partitions. So they opted (with the belief in a different response by the world) to communicate this. The kidnapped a couple hundred innocent children OF THEIR Zionist-Nazi guards. What was so hard not to get? The Israelis created Hamas with INTENT by STAGING and REDIRECTING the Palestinians to empower them. And just as your response, Israels purpose was to try to GET SOME 'terrorist' to act so that they can feel 'justified' in their with for a Palestinian Holocaust.

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:32 pm

None of that even means anything. 'Open air concentration camp'. JFC. Where are you from? All you are doing is regurtating generic bs that you've been fed on your Israel-hating algorithm. At least try to be original and informed (but you never will). That would involve leaving your trendy little cult with your Thunbergs and fellow teatowel wearing wankers. How about defining what you mean by 'Zionist' before throwing the word around? Don't be shy. As for blaming those children for being tortured to death and kidnapped. You sick fuck.