My thoughts on Israel

[Age]

Very true. And the more one studies history, the more obvious it becomes.

British oppression of Ireland started over 800 years ago. So it takes a while for things to quieten down, smooth out. There were at their worst for 30 years long up to 30 years ago. They still aren't smooth. So The Palestinian Question might take until 3000 AD. Or the next already deferred ice age more likely. Of course the extra 4 degrees will make that all moot in a century for three.

I think it's always a good idea to research such narratives a little more deeply.

Just as I predicted, 'this one' believes that its 'studies' and 'research' has been of and on the 'right and correct version of events'.

How about you follow your own advice, here, "maia", and research more deeply "yourself".

The Normans began their conquest of Ireland in the 12th century, after having conquered England in the previous century, so it was definitely not the British who did this. This followed around a thousand years of Irish raids and colonisation of Britain (especially areas of Scotland and Wales), when they would regularly capture Britons to take back to Ireland as slaves, the most famous of these being St. Patrick. Trying to put a stop to this activity was one of the reasons the Normans gave for entering Ireland.

Again, obviously a lot more 'research' is needed, here.

[Age]

I think it's always a good idea to research such narratives a little more deeply.

The Normans began their conquest of Ireland in the 12th century, after having conquered England in the previous century, so it was definitely not the British who did this. This followed around a thousand years of Irish raids and colonisation of Britain (especially areas of Scotland and Wales), when they would regularly capture Britons to take back to Ireland as slaves, the most famous of these being St. Patrick. Trying to put a stop to this activity was one of the reasons the Normans gave for entering Ireland.

It was because the British English (Anglo-Saxon) Pope, (H)Adrian IV, ordered a Plantagenet French English British king, in Laudabiliter, to get him 'his' money from the Irish.

The Jewish invasion of Palestine a mere 80 years ago has even less legitimacy, apart from force majeur. A catastrophe born of a holocaust. What astounds me is the utter meaningless of the Ummah, of Muslim commonwealth. That Arab Sunni Islam couldn't give a flying fuck about Sunni Arab Palestinians. Iran's rabid antisemitism comes from the wrong, heretical, Islam. Born of Iran's abuse by Britain and America with the Shah, who was our son of a bitch, unlike the noble by comparison Mossadegh. Who was Stalin's. History eh? The Shah's evil Savak were allowed to operate in London by good socialist Wilson. What a world eh?

Emigrating there legally was an 'invasion'? 'Interesting'.

Again, what is also 'interesting' is your take and view on 'legality'.

Maybe you should learn to write because you make about as much sense as Walker. What is it with the obsession of some posters on here to hide behind cowardly gibberish? Do they think it gives them an air of profundity?

[Age]

Fuck off nazi c*nt. You can't hide behind your alleged 'autism' now. Autism has nothing to do with being a c*nt.

Again,

1. 'This one' can not even elaborate on its claims, let alone be able to actually back up and support them.

2. you are Right. 'Cunts' and 'autism' are two very different things.

3. Imagine hating one group of people, so much, and loving another group of people, so much, that you become blind and can only see "one-side" of things, and of the actual Truth?

Fuck off nazi ****.

If 'this' is all you have got, and can reply with, then okay.

And, 'this' in a 'philosophy forum' of all places.

[Age]

Moronic response. I'm saying he will spin you some bs and blow you like the weathervane that you are. It's so pathetic and predictable.

And that "accelafine" can, and will, only 'see' and 'hear' only what it already believes is absolutely true is also so pathetic, and predictable, as well.

But, 'each to their own', as the saying goes.

Prove that I'm wrong, little nazi nobody. I'm waiting.

And, 'I' am waiting for 'you' to inform 'us' of what 'it' is, exactly, that 'you' want to be proved Wrong about.

See, unlike 'you', 'I' inform 'you' of what 'it' is, exactly, that 'I' ask 'you' to prove.

[Age]

The Arabs conquered Palestine in the 7th century, and it had previously been owned by the Jews. Even during Roman times lots of Jews still lived there. The only real difference between the Arab conquest, and the Israelis taking over the land, is the length of time that has elapsed since it happened, and also the fact that the Arabs had never lived there before.

It may indeed be true that Israel couldn't survive without the USA, but this doesn't change the fact the facts on the ground.

Knowing why 'the posters', here, spoke and wrote as though there were real 'groups' of actually 'different human beings' helps in explaining why there was so much hatred, and wars, among them, back in the 'olden days' when this was being written.

No facts, no evidence.

No, supposed, facts nor evidence in relation to 'what', exactly?

It is absolutely plainly obvious, from the writings above, that you posters, here, speak and write as though there are real 'groups' of actually 'different human beings'.

'This' can be clearly seen and proved from the writings above, here. So, there are the Facts, the evidence, and the actual proof.

Again, that 'this one' can not, and does not, 'see' what it does not want to, is blatantly obvious. As, again, proved by its very own sayings and writings, here.

What 'groups' are you referring to, dear?

All of the very ones you posters, here, label, and name, obviously.

The only one who keeps referring to 'groups' is you.

Is 'this' really what you 'see' and 'hear', here?

Could you explain what you mean by 'groups'?

A number of things that are classed together.

[Gary Childress]

It was because the British English (Anglo-Saxon) Pope, (H)Adrian IV, ordered a Plantagenet French English British king, in Laudabiliter, to get him 'his' money from the Irish.

The Jewish invasion of Palestine a mere 80 years ago has even less legitimacy, apart from force majeur. A catastrophe born of a holocaust. What astounds me is the utter meaningless of the Ummah, of Muslim commonwealth. That Arab Sunni Islam couldn't give a flying fuck about Sunni Arab Palestinians. Iran's rabid antisemitism comes from the wrong, heretical, Islam. Born of Iran's abuse by Britain and America with the Shah, who was our son of a bitch, unlike the noble by comparison Mossadegh. Who was Stalin's. History eh? The Shah's evil Savak were allowed to operate in London by good socialist Wilson. What a world eh?

Emigrating there legally was an 'invasion'? 'Interesting'.

Again, what is also 'interesting' is your take and view on 'legality'.

Maybe you should learn to write because you make about as much sense as Walker. What is it with the obsession of some posters on here to hide behind cowardly gibberish? Do they think it gives them an air of profundity?

So let's suppose that Israel were to stop fighting and pull back or stand down its troops and weapons at this point.

1. Will that make Israelis safer if they stand down their forces at this point? If so, how will it make Israelis safer? If not, then why should Israel stand down its forces?

2. Will it prevent Hamas from repeating the same things that they did on Oct 7, 2023 again sometime in the future if Israel stands down their forces at this point? If so, how will it prevent Hamas from repeating the same activities in the future? If not, then why should Israel stand down its forces?

[Age]

Emigrating there legally was an 'invasion'? 'Interesting'.

Again, what is also 'interesting' is your take and view on 'legality'.

Maybe you should learn to write because you make about as much sense as Walker. What is it with the obsession of some posters on here to hide behind cowardly gibberish? Do they think it gives them an air of profundity?

So let's suppose that Israel were to stop fighting and pull back or stand down its troops and weapons at this point.

Okay.

But just remember you can not 'now' agree with absolutely any thing that I say or claim, here. Otherwise "accelafine" will want, to and will 'try to', put 'you down', again, okay?

Oh, and by the way, are the people of "israel" 'fighting' to defend, or 'fighting', in attack?

But anyway let 'us' suppose the people of "Israel" were to stop dropping bombs and stopped shooting other human beings, and pulled back from their 'advancing' into what are called 'other people's lands'.

1. Will that make Israelis safer if they stand down their forces at this point?

The 'exact same thing', which would have made them safer, in the beginning.

If the people of "israel" had never started taking 'the lands' from 'other people', had never stopped the free movement of 'other people', had never stopped the freedom of 'other people', and had never started the oppression of 'other people', then 'other people' would not have started wanting to stop 'the fighting, and attacking' of the "israeli people'.

And, when you say, 'at this point', then 'at this point', it is 'too late' to just so-call 'stand down'.

The people of "Israel" will have to do a lot of begging, promising, and pleading, if 'at this point' they want to feel safer, from what they began.

However, if they did start begging, and promising, then they would receive 'forgiveness' far quicker than if 'this' was the other way around.

After all 'one religion' could be said to be based upon, 'an eye for an eye', while the other is based upon, 'peace be upon you'.

If so, how will it make Israelis safer? If not, then why should Israel stand down its forces?

If the people of the 'other countries' were to so-call 'stand down', and this did not make them safer, then why should they 'stand down their forces'?

Let 'us' say, the people of one country has nuclear weapons, which, obviously, does not make the people of other countries safer, then why should the people's of those other countries not invest in and build and create nuclear weapons, also?

2. Will it prevent Hamas from repeating the same things that they did on Oct 7, 2023 again sometime in the future if Israel stands down their forces at this point?

"gary childress", how are are group of oppressed people supposed to 're-act' and behave, exactly?

Do you really think or believe that the people in a group of people with the name "hamas" did what they did on Oct 7, 2023, just for the 'sake of it', and/or just for the 'fun of it'?

Have you ever thought to consider, 'Why did those 'human beings' do what they did?'

Also, how do you think any one of you human beings, in the day when this is being written, would want to react, in the future, if just one of 'the children', in what is perceived as 'your own particular group of people', was killed by a so-called 'another group of people'?

Now, times this by the number of children that are being killed in 'whatever country', in the "middle east", add the number of direct and indirect family members, then times the amount of hatred that will be 'brewing up', of the 'other group', and then imagine what 'the future' 'will hold'. What is 'currently' happening, 'now', in the days when 'you' are alive and well, is absolutely nothing compared to what could take place with an ever increasing amount of number of weapons and an ever increasing amount of destructive power of weapons. And, this is without even thinking about will can, and will happen, if the country you live, really, wants to get involved.

Why do you think Sep 11, 2001, happened?

Because the people of the "united states of america" have been fun loving, happy, and peaceful people with 'the people's' from all around 'the world'?

If so, how will it prevent Hamas from repeating the same activities in the future? If not, then why should Israel stand down its forces?

It does not matter one iota whatever name, or label, is given to and/or placed upon a 'group of people'. People will react in ways, which are not liked, by some, if and when they feel 'oppressed' in any way at all.

So, if people of any lands want to 'feel safer', then do not even 'try to' oppress any one else. This includes by 'telling others' that you can not have 'nuclear weapons', while at the exact same time 'holding nuclear weapons", "themselves".

Most of you adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, are just absolutely ridiculous, and beyond stupidity.

BUT, until any and/or all of you begin to 'look at' this irrefutable Fact, you will not learn and understand that 'the way' you 'currently' are 'now', when this is being written, is NOT due to 'you', alone.

Now, if you want to find the 'actual reasons' of 'why' you all are 'the way' you are, instead of 'trying to make up excuses and blame other things, then, again, you first need to 'accept responsibility', and then 'take responsibility' for all of your actions, and behaviors, 'good' and 'bad'. And, do not forget, you all do Wrong, and good. So, actually, no one is essentially more special nor better than another is.

[Age]

So let's suppose that Israel were to stop fighting and pull back or stand down its troops and weapons at this point.

1. Will that make Israelis safer if they stand down their forces at this point? If so, how will it make Israelis safer? If not, then why should Israel stand down its forces?

2. Will it prevent Hamas from repeating the same things that they did on Oct 7, 2023 again sometime in the future if Israel stands down their forces at this point? If so, how will it prevent Hamas from repeating the same activities in the future? If not, then why should Israel stand down its forces?

Also, why is 'your view', here, only about "israelis' feeling safer?

What would happen if 'I' said to 'you',

So let's suppose that "palestinians", "iranians", or even "lebanese" were to stop fighting and pull back or stand down its troops and weapons at this point.

1. Will that make "palestinians", "iranians", or even "lebanese" safer if they stand down their forces at this point? If so, how will it make "palestinians", "Iranians", or even "lebanese" safer? If not, then why should "palestinians", "iranians", or "lebanese" stand down its forces?

2. Will it prevent "israelis" from repeating the same things that they have been doing, again sometime in the future if "palestinians", "iranians", or even "lebanese" stands down their forces at this point? If so, how will it prevent "israelis" from repeating the same activities in the future? If not, then why should "palestinians", "iranians", or even "lebanese" stand down its forces?

When what you wrote, is written in 'this way', do you still have the same sort of perception, or view, within. as was 'there', previously?

Does 'this', presented 'this way', provide you with a 'different way' of 'looking at', and 'seeing' things?

Has 'this' provided 'you' another perspective, or changed 'thinking' and 'seeing' in 'any way', at all?

Are you aware that living in a particular country, like you do, that you are 'fed' a narrowed and/or 'particular view and perspective', only?

Are you aware that if you were brought up and living in another country or place, then you would have presented 'your questions', here, far, far differently?

[accelafine]

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Fuck off nazi ****.

[Age]

Fuck off nazi ****.

'This', in a 'philosophy forum'.

And, 'they' wondered why there was wars, and hatred, in 'the world', around 'them'.

It is very easy to imagine that if 'this' is how 'they' spoke, and wrote, to each other, in a place set up for 'logical reasoning', through 'peaceful discussion', how and why wars and warring continued, and were common place, in 'the days' when this was being written, .

[Age]

"accelafine" actually 'tries to' 'justify' the bombing, burning, starving, and killing of children, and babies, and when 'this' just gets pointed out, and shown, it resorts to 'the comments and remarks' above, here.

Obviously what it is 'trying to' 'justify' can not be in absolutely any way at all, so all it has are 'the replies' only, as just seen, and witnessed.

you would not imagine that it, supposedly, has 'me' on ignore.

[accelafine]

Hitler was a hero.

Fuck off nazi ****.

[Age]

Hitler was a hero.

Fuck off nazi ****.

Imagine if one was to actually purposely misquote another and make out that it was what the other one said and wrote, like "accelafine" frequently does, and how much serious trouble they could get into for doing some thing so blatantly deceivingly fraudulent, and Wrong.

How weak and insecure would one have to be to go so low and 'try to' be so deceptive?

Now, if all you have 'got' are the, 'Fuck off ...', words, then you seriously have absolutely nothing at all, here.

Once again, there is not a human being in all of human history who could actually 'justify' the bombing, burning, maiming, killings, and/or starving of children and babies, like the people of places like "israel" are obviously actually doing to others, here, in the days when this is being written.

Although, some people, like those like "accelafine", believe, absolutely, that the bombing and killing of children, and babies, can be 'justified', somehow. 'They' just do not yet know how to 'justify' 'it', in words.

[accelafine]

That lying nazi thing seems to imagine that its opinion of me and endless lying counts for something. Poor little Kenny.

[Age]

That lying nazi thing seems to imagine that its opinion of me and endless lying counts for something. Poor little Kenny.

Imagine continually claiming that 'another' is lying, but never ever actually producing absolutely any thing that supports its claim.

it has absolutely nothing but its own very twisted and distorted belief, here, to go on and to rely on.