My thoughts on Israel

[accelafine]

Israel isn't responsible for one single Gazan baby death since Oct 7.

[accelafine]

Just a reminder that the thing that calls itself 'Age' was singing the praises of Hitler regarding the Holocaust.

[Age]

Israel isn't responsible for one single Gazan baby death since Oct 7.

Although 'this' is obviously absolutely irrefutably True, and Right, it makes one wonder what is actually going through the thoughts and beliefs like 'this one', here.

[Age]

Just a reminder that the thing that calls itself 'Age' was singing the praises of Hitler regarding the Holocaust.

Wow, here is a claim.

I now wonder if it would like to produce any comment at all where I have actually said absolutely any thing at all, which could be actually logically construed in 'this way'.

[Maia]

Henry II had Norman, French and ANGLO-SAXON ancestors. He was King of ENGLAND. Nicholas Brakespear, aka Pope Adrian IV, was an Englishman of Anglo-Saxon (German) roots. The English are a British people. The Irish are not. The Brittonic Celtic Ancient Britons were not in the modern sense. So there has been British, predominantly English, English Norman led English Anglo-Saxon and maybe non-English Celtic Welsh and English Celtic Cornish and later Gaelic Celtic Scots (who, of course, aren't descended from the Ancient Britons) interference in Ireland for over eight hundred years. I call that British interference. Not Norman.

I'm not passing any judgement on Islam whatsoever. The Shia are heretic as far as the Sunni are concerned. Worst is normal by a billion and more.

Charles III is descended from Dracula (Vlad the Impaler), but that doesn't make him Romanian, though to be fair, he might be a vampire. Henry II had a bit of English ancestry, but he was not English. He was French. He ruled England because his great-grandfather, the genocidal William I, had conquered it in 1066.

You can call it British interference if you like, but it doesn't make it so.

I like. One wouldn't call 800 years of continuous interference by this state English interference. The enterprise became, is British. As British as Charles III. Not Romanian. Or Norman.

Then what you are doing is perpetuating a political lie, designed to justify, among other things, IRA atrocities.

The lie, however, may finally have had its day. There are quite a few reports of Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, both north and south, setting aside their differences and uniting to protest against the flooding of their country with Muslim migrants.

So what seemed like an insurmountable, centuries old conflict actually turned out to be easily solvable.

[Age]

Charles III is descended from Dracula (Vlad the Impaler), but that doesn't make him Romanian, though to be fair, he might be a vampire. Henry II had a bit of English ancestry, but he was not English. He was French. He ruled England because his great-grandfather, the genocidal William I, had conquered it in 1066.

You can call it British interference if you like, but it doesn't make it so.

I like. One wouldn't call 800 years of continuous interference by this state English interference. The enterprise became, is British. As British as Charles III. Not Romanian. Or Norman.

Then what you are doing is perpetuating a political lie, designed to justify, among other things, IRA atrocities.

The lie, however, may finally have had its day. There are quite a few reports of Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, both north and south, setting aside their differences and uniting to protest against the flooding of their country with Muslim migrants.

So what seemed like an insurmountable, centuries old conflict actually turned out to be easily solvable.

Have you been perpetuating any lies at all, here, also "maia"?

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Charles III is descended from Dracula (Vlad the Impaler), but that doesn't make him Romanian, though to be fair, he might be a vampire. Henry II had a bit of English ancestry, but he was not English. He was French. He ruled England because his great-grandfather, the genocidal William I, had conquered it in 1066.

You can call it British interference if you like, but it doesn't make it so.

I like. One wouldn't call 800 years of continuous interference by this state English interference. The enterprise became, is British. As British as Charles III. Not Romanian. Or Norman.

Then what you are doing is perpetuating a political lie, designed to justify, among other things, IRA atrocities.

The lie, however, may finally have had its day. There are quite a few reports of Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, both north and south, setting aside their differences and uniting to protest against the flooding of their country with Muslim migrants.

So what seemed like an insurmountable, centuries old conflict actually turned out to be easily solvable.

Human nature is charming isn't it. Lie? Bollocks. The continuous ruling class of this rock has made the working class complicit in its own subjugation throughout the archipelago and way beyond. The ruling class who dump boat people on them and are surprised that it unites them against that. Sounds like Palestine doesn't it.

[Maia]

I like. One wouldn't call 800 years of continuous interference by this state English interference. The enterprise became, is British. As British as Charles III. Not Romanian. Or Norman.

Then what you are doing is perpetuating a political lie, designed to justify, among other things, IRA atrocities.

The lie, however, may finally have had its day. There are quite a few reports of Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, both north and south, setting aside their differences and uniting to protest against the flooding of their country with Muslim migrants.

So what seemed like an insurmountable, centuries old conflict actually turned out to be easily solvable.

Human nature is charming isn't it. Lie? Bollocks. The continuous ruling class of this rock has made the working class complicit in its own subjugation throughout the archipelago and way beyond. The ruling class who dump boat people on them and are surprised that it unites them against that. Sounds like Palestine doesn't it.

If by ruling class you are referring to the Normans who conquered England in 1066, then used it as a springboard to conquer Wales, Ireland and eventually, Scotland, not to mention huge swathes of the rest of the world, then I agree. Any English people involved in those conquests were peasants, conscripted for arrow fodder, later cannon fodder and later still, bullet fodder.

Reminds me of a Churchill quote, which I'm paraphrasing from memory. During the war, when he was talking about how we have always been able to resist invaders, one of his aristocratic lady friends asked him, what about the Normans? He replied, Madam, we *are* the Normans.

[Scott Mayers]

Those who have ...and I sincerely hope that it all turns out well for them, as I'm sure it will.

Glad to hear you had a nice trip.?? But....are you aware of....umm....what's Israel's been up to, lately.? I know the U.S. President was speaking about setting up a nice resort not too far from there. You should check it out if you get chance.... ! ....after you've finished dining first, of course.

I haven't heard about anything that Israel has done that isn't justified as self defence, and trying to get their hostages back (or "sausages" as our esteemed prime minister called them on one occasion). Bear in mind that the Palestinians started this war by invading Israel, capturing civilians at a music festival, killing babies, raping women and generally acting in the most barbaric way imaginable. You don't get to start a war and then cry foul when you start losing.

Did you know that 'jew' was a generic term in ancient times for anyone who is not from your own town, or is homeless, rejected, or transient, such as those trading goods from different places? It is also the likely root of 'you' in English. That is, "Jew" hints at whether any actual historical precedence exists for those ancient 'jews' who founded Judaism to OWN LAND!

But note also that people do not OWN their ancestor's era or history, contrary to those who are arrogantly arguing for any 'heritage' claim of it being 'indigenous' to Jews. The fact is, ALL people came from the same Earth and had a 'history' with the Levant if they evolved out of Africa. The ancient places though were more likely to be the remnants of a place built by and for the Ramses the Great eras' boundary with Assyria (where Israel gets its name) and as a 'treaty between the two, were likely the actual builders of Jerusalem and its temples. The Jews were stuck in the desert using tabernacle tents and the 'ark' was literally a ceremonial boat of Egyptian history that held a broken obelisk of one of Ahken-Aten's older city (Amarna).....an amphibious sled that eventually became your mythic (intentionally altered) history.

When the city and both Egyptian and Assyrian empires were dying, the temple at Jerusalem was likely attempted to be taken over by the ancient gangs of which Jews were likely a part of. They went against the ORIGINAL functions of temples to be 'secular' conventional places and NOT religious centers. So the Babylonians took the Jews out of the temple and moved them wholesale to Babylon, an odd extreme if it were not true.

Point is, Palestinians are far more 'indigenous' to the land and your more relatively recent ancestors took advantage of the British mandate LEAVING out the Arabs who helped Britain regain back their land. The mere ACCEPTANCE of such an arrogant claim is inappropriate from the start.

The Hamas planned attack was an intentional INDIRECT creation of Israel, meant to BE 'terroristic'. The settlements of the West Bank and Gaza's totally controlled enclosure and means of life by the Israelis represent ALL of the Palestinians taken hostage since your parent's corrupt founding.

I'd be careful to argue with those of us who know the facts. Israeli behavior is indifferent to the various forms of fascism that existed with their ancestors in the concentration camps.

Question: If you are of the belief in a 'state' by and for only Jews under the banner of 'Zionism', are you not aware that this defines the intentional foundation of 'fascism'? Did you ever wonder where the reasoning of fascism derived from? The main reason for the Holocaust relates to the Germanic interpretation of the successes of the Jewish communities that stayed 'pure' and isolated. They modeled their ideal of a state by and for ONLY ONE people and why they would turn against the Jews. In fact HItler would be PROUD of Israelis accomplishments: he even claims that he is not 'Anti-Jewish' but 'AntiSemitist' with distinction.

Don't assume that I don't see you as a 'victim' here either. But you are blinded by certain bonds to a racial-ethnic cult that most people anywhere lack. Is there a state for each person's race? Should we NOT be suspect of the apparent EXCLUSIONARY behavior against non-Jews in general BY Jews? There is now far too much evidence that disappoints the world with respect to how far this has gone. There IS a genocide against the Palestinians, whether it is 'formal' or not. If the U.N. did not have exceptions of absolute veto power granted to the security council, you'd know that the world's dominant stance now against the slaughter (that) is non democratic with respect to the heritage of ALL people everywhere on Earth.

Edit: added "(that)" to fix improper reading.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Aye, the ruling class always makes sure that the working class get blood on their hands. They steal the land and sell you a country.

[Maia]

Glad to hear you had a nice trip.?? But....are you aware of....umm....what's Israel's been up to, lately.? I know the U.S. President was speaking about setting up a nice resort not too far from there. You should check it out if you get chance.... ! ....after you've finished dining first, of course.

I haven't heard about anything that Israel has done that isn't justified as self defence, and trying to get their hostages back (or "sausages" as our esteemed prime minister called them on one occasion). Bear in mind that the Palestinians started this war by invading Israel, capturing civilians at a music festival, killing babies, raping women and generally acting in the most barbaric way imaginable. You don't get to start a war and then cry foul when you start losing.

Did you know that 'jew' was a generic term in ancient times for anyone who is not from your own town, or is homeless, rejected, or transient, such as those trading goods from different places? It is also the likely root of 'you' in English. That is, "Jew" hints at whether any actual historical precedence exists for those ancient 'jews' who founded Judaism to OWN LAND!

But note also that people do not OWN their ancestor's era or history, contrary to those who are arrogantly arguing for any 'heritage' claim of it being 'indigenous' to Jews. The fact is, ALL people came from the same Earth and had a 'history' with the Levant if they evolved out of Africa. The ancient places though were more likely to be the remnants of a place built by and for the Ramses the Great eras' boundary with Assyria (where Israel gets its name) and as a 'treaty between the two, were likely the actual builders of Jerusalem and its temples. The Jews were stuck in the desert using tabernacle tents and the 'ark' was literally a ceremonial boat of Egyptian history that held a broken obelisk of one of Ahken-Aten's older city (Amarna).....an amphibious sled that eventually became your mythic (intentionally altered) history.

When the city and both Egyptian and Assyrian empires were dying, the temple at Jerusalem was likely attempted to be taken over by the ancient gangs of which Jews were likely a part of. They went against the ORIGINAL functions of temples to be 'secular' conventional places and NOT religious centers. So the Babylonians took the Jews out of the temple and moved them wholesale to Babylon, an odd extreme if it were not true.

Point is, Palestinians are far more 'indigenous' to the land and your more relatively recent ancestors took advantage of the British mandate LEAVING out the Arabs who helped Britain regain back their land. The mere ACCEPTANCE of such an arrogant claim is inappropriate from the start.

The Hamas planned attack was an intentional INDIRECT creation of Israel, meant to BE 'terroristic'. The settlements of the West Bank and Gaza's totally controlled enclosure and means of life by the Israelis represent ALL of the Palestinians taken hostage since your parent's corrupt founding.

I'd be careful to argue with those of us who know the facts. Israeli behavior is indifferent to the various forms of fascism that existed with their ancestors in the concentration camps.

Question: If you are of the belief in a 'state' by and for only Jews under the banner of 'Zionism', are you not aware that this defines the intentional foundation of 'fascism'? Did you ever wonder where the reasoning of fascism derived from? The main reason for the Holocaust relates to the Germanic interpretation of the successes of the Jewish communities that stayed 'pure' and isolated. They modeled their ideal of a state by and for ONLY ONE people and why they would turn against the Jews. In fact HItler would be PROUD of Israelis accomplishments: he even claims that he is not 'Anti-Jewish' but 'AntiSemitist' with distinction.

Don't assume that I don't see you as a 'victim' here either. But you are blinded by certain bonds to a racial-ethnic cult that most people anywhere lack. Is there a state for each person's race? Should we NOT be suspect of the apparent EXCLUSIONARY behavior against non-Jews in general BY Jews? There is now far too much evidence that disappoints the world with respect to how far this has gone. There IS a genocide against the Palestinians, whether it is 'formal' or not. If the U.N. did not have exceptions of absolute veto power granted to the security council, you'd know that the world's dominant stance now against the slaughter is non democratic with respect to the heritage of ALL people everywhere on Earth.

+++Did you know that 'jew' was a generic term in ancient times for anyone who is not from your own town, or is homeless, rejected, or transient, such as those trading goods from different places? It is also the likely root of 'you' in English. That is, "Jew" hints at whether any actual historical precedence exists for those ancient 'jews' who founded Judaism to OWN LAND!+++

No, I didn't know that. Primarily because it's not true. The term "Jew" comes from Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

+++Point is, Palestinians are far more 'indigenous' to the land and your more relatively recent ancestors took advantage of the British mandate LEAVING out the Arabs who helped Britain regain back their land. The mere ACCEPTANCE of such an arrogant claim is inappropriate from the start.+++

My ancestors? Not sure what you're saying there, to be honest, but I'm not Jewish. I found Israel to be a fascinating and friendly place when I visited it, but I wouldn't want to live there.

+++Question: If you are of the belief in a 'state' by and for only Jews under the banner of 'Zionism', are you not aware that this defines the intentional foundation of 'fascism'?+++

20% of Israeli citizens are Arab Muslims. Israel is a secular state.

[Scott Mayers]

+++Did you know that 'jew' was a generic term in ancient times for anyone who is not from your own town, or is homeless, rejected, or transient, such as those trading goods from different places? It is also the likely root of 'you' in English. That is, "Jew" hints at whether any actual historical precedence exists for those ancient 'jews' who founded Judaism to OWN LAND!+++

No, I didn't know that. Primarily because it's not true. The term "Jew" comes from Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

+++Point is, Palestinians are far more 'indigenous' to the land and your more relatively recent ancestors took advantage of the British mandate LEAVING out the Arabs who helped Britain regain back their land. The mere ACCEPTANCE of such an arrogant claim is inappropriate from the start.+++

My ancestors? Not sure what you're saying there, to be honest, but I'm not Jewish. I found Israel to be a fascinating and friendly place when I visited it, but I wouldn't want to live there.

+++Question: If you are of the belief in a 'state' by and for only Jews under the banner of 'Zionism', are you not aware that this defines the intentional foundation of 'fascism'?+++

20% of Israeli citizens are Arab Muslims. Israel is a secular state.

"No, I didn't know that. Primarily because it's not true. The term "Jew" comes from Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel.
" I was absolutely being sincere but figured you might presume this. POLITICS plays a big role in expressing what one thinks is the actual eytymological roots of language. But all you have with "Judah" does not relate. Judah should relate to 'judges'. But you wouldn't connect that with "jew'.

'jew' was as I said it and it makes sense in context. And just as a simple related term, "jewel" is a high density 'valuable' due to its ease in 'wandering' and literally means 'the wanderer'

Israel is NOT 'secular' in its JUSTIFICATION TO EXIST. Without Judaism, their HISTORICAL claim to all of the land is based on at least a PRETENSE of religiousity. The 20% is irrelevant. It should require adding the rest of the population if Israel was SO inclusive. But the reason Israel has an issue with the Palestinians is due to the FEAR that they make up far greater percentage of the population. Did you know that the population of Jewish people was sporadically located mostly near the north and had a mere 6% population but was given more than 50% of the land by arrogant British who both tricked the Arabs into freeing themselves successfully from the Turkish then DECIDED how the lands were to be divided upon in privileged closed doors that did NOT invite the Arabs.

Israel is 'fascist'. Being a 'rightwing' extreme, it WILL have SOME 'democracy': But for whatever the Jewish people ONLY decide. They would NOT ALLOW their country to have a larger plurality of Muslims for the simple reason such majorities would overrule the racist extremes against them and just flip the state.

So why are you visiting a country even on the KNOWING basis of the ongoing Settlements alone? This is not only theft, it is INTIMIDATION and 'terroristic' towards the Palestinians. Gaza border is artificially being run by Israel also, far far beyond any other respect of some OTHER 'sovereign nation. Why did you NOT go to Gaza for vacation instead?

Also, both sides are 'wrong' in many of their behaviors of which RELIGION is what guides their claims and emotional drives. Where one is 'secular', they SHOULD NOT be there 'officially'.....except if the system was wink, wink, just biased to favor one's 'Semitic' roots, a more clear proof of their racist ideals especially if one is non-religious to the core. Ironically, the more extreme 'orthodox' people with strong religious purpose, are against the Zionist concept as they too recognize what 'jew' meant to Jews.

[accelafine]

+++Did you know that 'jew' was a generic term in ancient times for anyone who is not from your own town, or is homeless, rejected, or transient, such as those trading goods from different places? It is also the likely root of 'you' in English. That is, "Jew" hints at whether any actual historical precedence exists for those ancient 'jews' who founded Judaism to OWN LAND!+++

No, I didn't know that. Primarily because it's not true. The term "Jew" comes from Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

+++Point is, Palestinians are far more 'indigenous' to the land and your more relatively recent ancestors took advantage of the British mandate LEAVING out the Arabs who helped Britain regain back their land. The mere ACCEPTANCE of such an arrogant claim is inappropriate from the start.+++

My ancestors? Not sure what you're saying there, to be honest, but I'm not Jewish. I found Israel to be a fascinating and friendly place when I visited it, but I wouldn't want to live there.

+++Question: If you are of the belief in a 'state' by and for only Jews under the banner of 'Zionism', are you not aware that this defines the intentional foundation of 'fascism'?+++

20% of Israeli citizens are Arab Muslims. Israel is a secular state.

"No, I didn't know that. Primarily because it's not true. The term "Jew" comes from Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel.
" I was absolutely being sincere but figured you might presume this. POLITICS plays a big role in expressing what one thinks is the actual eytymological roots of language. But all you have with "Judah" does not relate. Judah should relate to 'judges'. But you wouldn't connect that with "jew'.

'jew' was as I said it and it makes sense in context. And just as a simple related term, "jewel" is a high density 'valuable' due to its ease in 'wandering' and literally means 'the wanderer'

Israel is NOT 'secular' in its JUSTIFICATION TO EXIST. Without Judaism, their HISTORICAL claim to all of the land is based on at least a PRETENSE of religiousity. The 20% is irrelevant. It should require adding the rest of the population if Israel was SO inclusive. But the reason Israel has an issue with the Palestinians is due to the FEAR that they make up far greater percentage of the population. Did you know that the population of Jewish people was sporadically located mostly near the north and had a mere 6% population but was given more than 50% of the land by arrogant British who both tricked the Arabs into freeing themselves successfully from the Turkish then DECIDED how the lands were to be divided upon in privileged closed doors that did NOT invite the Arabs.

Israel is 'fascist'. Being a 'rightwing' extreme, it WILL have SOME 'democracy': But for whatever the Jewish people ONLY decide. They would NOT ALLOW their country to have a larger plurality of Muslims for the simple reason such majorities would overrule the racist extremes against them and just flip the state.

So why are you visiting a country even on the KNOWING basis of the ongoing Settlements alone? This is not only theft, it is INTIMIDATION and 'terroristic' towards the Palestinians. Gaza border is artificially being run by Israel also, far far beyond any other respect of some OTHER 'sovereign nation. Why did you NOT go to Gaza for vacation instead?

Also, both sides are 'wrong' in many of their behaviors of which RELIGION is what guides their claims and emotional drives. Where one is 'secular', they SHOULD NOT be there 'officially'.....except if the system was wink, wink, just biased to favor one's 'Semitic' roots, a more clear proof of their racist ideals especially if one is non-religious to the core. Ironically, the more extreme 'orthodox' people with strong religious purpose, are against the Zionist concept as they too recognize what 'jew' meant to Jews.

You are so full of crap. What are you even ranting on about? Learn to write properly for crying out loud, although I can understand why someone who doesn't have facts or history on their side would write incoherently. Who cares about the 'Britich Mandate'? That ended nearly a hundred years ago. What's the point in even bringing it up? The arabs missed their chance MULTIPLE TIMES and have been bitching about it ever since (in a homicidal way). Israel exists NOW. That's not going to change. If you want to go back in time, it's the Gazans who are squatting on Israeli land. Israel doesn't have to 'justify' its existence to anyone. Why would it? No other country has to. What do you want? The genocide of Israelis? Would that make you happy? Turn Israel into another islamic shit-hole that throws gays off buildings and stones and hangs women for being raped? Does it really annoy you THAT much that Jews have a country where they are relatively safe from being constantly slaughtered? How many countries do muslims have? Anyone who can still side with plasticinians after what they did is seriously fucked in the head. Strangling babies with their bare hands in front of their mother, a gleeful mob of 'ordinary' people, including children, tormenting them beforehand. How can you even think about that without feeling sick? Or don't you think about it? And yeah, it was all posted online because they are proud of what they do. It's real, unlike the pallywood videos and absurd AI photos that your ilk lap up, along with the bullshit about 'starving people' and 'genocide'. Where are all these starving people hiding? Fuck you.

[Maia]

+++Did you know that 'jew' was a generic term in ancient times for anyone who is not from your own town, or is homeless, rejected, or transient, such as those trading goods from different places? It is also the likely root of 'you' in English. That is, "Jew" hints at whether any actual historical precedence exists for those ancient 'jews' who founded Judaism to OWN LAND!+++

No, I didn't know that. Primarily because it's not true. The term "Jew" comes from Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

+++Point is, Palestinians are far more 'indigenous' to the land and your more relatively recent ancestors took advantage of the British mandate LEAVING out the Arabs who helped Britain regain back their land. The mere ACCEPTANCE of such an arrogant claim is inappropriate from the start.+++

My ancestors? Not sure what you're saying there, to be honest, but I'm not Jewish. I found Israel to be a fascinating and friendly place when I visited it, but I wouldn't want to live there.

+++Question: If you are of the belief in a 'state' by and for only Jews under the banner of 'Zionism', are you not aware that this defines the intentional foundation of 'fascism'?+++

20% of Israeli citizens are Arab Muslims. Israel is a secular state.

"No, I didn't know that. Primarily because it's not true. The term "Jew" comes from Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel.
" I was absolutely being sincere but figured you might presume this. POLITICS plays a big role in expressing what one thinks is the actual eytymological roots of language. But all you have with "Judah" does not relate. Judah should relate to 'judges'. But you wouldn't connect that with "jew'.

'jew' was as I said it and it makes sense in context. And just as a simple related term, "jewel" is a high density 'valuable' due to its ease in 'wandering' and literally means 'the wanderer'

Israel is NOT 'secular' in its JUSTIFICATION TO EXIST. Without Judaism, their HISTORICAL claim to all of the land is based on at least a PRETENSE of religiousity. The 20% is irrelevant. It should require adding the rest of the population if Israel was SO inclusive. But the reason Israel has an issue with the Palestinians is due to the FEAR that they make up far greater percentage of the population. Did you know that the population of Jewish people was sporadically located mostly near the north and had a mere 6% population but was given more than 50% of the land by arrogant British who both tricked the Arabs into freeing themselves successfully from the Turkish then DECIDED how the lands were to be divided upon in privileged closed doors that did NOT invite the Arabs.

Israel is 'fascist'. Being a 'rightwing' extreme, it WILL have SOME 'democracy': But for whatever the Jewish people ONLY decide. They would NOT ALLOW their country to have a larger plurality of Muslims for the simple reason such majorities would overrule the racist extremes against them and just flip the state.

So why are you visiting a country even on the KNOWING basis of the ongoing Settlements alone? This is not only theft, it is INTIMIDATION and 'terroristic' towards the Palestinians. Gaza border is artificially being run by Israel also, far far beyond any other respect of some OTHER 'sovereign nation. Why did you NOT go to Gaza for vacation instead?

Also, both sides are 'wrong' in many of their behaviors of which RELIGION is what guides their claims and emotional drives. Where one is 'secular', they SHOULD NOT be there 'officially'.....except if the system was wink, wink, just biased to favor one's 'Semitic' roots, a more clear proof of their racist ideals especially if one is non-religious to the core. Ironically, the more extreme 'orthodox' people with strong religious purpose, are against the Zionist concept as they too recognize what 'jew' meant to Jews.

+++I was absolutely being sincere but figured you might presume this. POLITICS plays a big role in expressing what one thinks is the actual eytymological roots of language. But all you have with "Judah" does not relate. Judah should relate to 'judges'. But you wouldn't connect that with "jew'.+++

Incorrect. And "judge", incidentally, comes from Latin, related to words like justice and judicial, and has nothing to do with "Jew". Interestingly, "jewel" also comes from Latin, from a word meaning a joke, via French. You appear to subscribe to the make it up as you go along school of etymology.

+++So why are you visiting a country even on the KNOWING basis of the ongoing Settlements alone? This is not only theft, it is INTIMIDATION and 'terroristic' towards the Palestinians. Gaza border is artificially being run by Israel also, far far beyond any other respect of some OTHER 'sovereign nation. Why did you NOT go to Gaza for vacation instead?+++

It was a school trip, when I was in the sixth form. Didn't you read my post?

I wouldn't go to any Muslim country for a holiday, let alone Gaza.

[Age]

+++Did you know that 'jew' was a generic term in ancient times for anyone who is not from your own town, or is homeless, rejected, or transient, such as those trading goods from different places? It is also the likely root of 'you' in English. That is, "Jew" hints at whether any actual historical precedence exists for those ancient 'jews' who founded Judaism to OWN LAND!+++

No, I didn't know that. Primarily because it's not true. The term "Jew" comes from Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

+++Point is, Palestinians are far more 'indigenous' to the land and your more relatively recent ancestors took advantage of the British mandate LEAVING out the Arabs who helped Britain regain back their land. The mere ACCEPTANCE of such an arrogant claim is inappropriate from the start.+++

My ancestors? Not sure what you're saying there, to be honest, but I'm not Jewish. I found Israel to be a fascinating and friendly place when I visited it, but I wouldn't want to live there.

+++Question: If you are of the belief in a 'state' by and for only Jews under the banner of 'Zionism', are you not aware that this defines the intentional foundation of 'fascism'?+++

20% of Israeli citizens are Arab Muslims. Israel is a secular state.

"No, I didn't know that. Primarily because it's not true. The term "Jew" comes from Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel.
" I was absolutely being sincere but figured you might presume this. POLITICS plays a big role in expressing what one thinks is the actual eytymological roots of language. But all you have with "Judah" does not relate. Judah should relate to 'judges'. But you wouldn't connect that with "jew'.

'jew' was as I said it and it makes sense in context. And just as a simple related term, "jewel" is a high density 'valuable' due to its ease in 'wandering' and literally means 'the wanderer'

Israel is NOT 'secular' in its JUSTIFICATION TO EXIST. Without Judaism, their HISTORICAL claim to all of the land is based on at least a PRETENSE of religiousity. The 20% is irrelevant. It should require adding the rest of the population if Israel was SO inclusive. But the reason Israel has an issue with the Palestinians is due to the FEAR that they make up far greater percentage of the population. Did you know that the population of Jewish people was sporadically located mostly near the north and had a mere 6% population but was given more than 50% of the land by arrogant British who both tricked the Arabs into freeing themselves successfully from the Turkish then DECIDED how the lands were to be divided upon in privileged closed doors that did NOT invite the Arabs.

Israel is 'fascist'. Being a 'rightwing' extreme, it WILL have SOME 'democracy': But for whatever the Jewish people ONLY decide. They would NOT ALLOW their country to have a larger plurality of Muslims for the simple reason such majorities would overrule the racist extremes against them and just flip the state.

So why are you visiting a country even on the KNOWING basis of the ongoing Settlements alone? This is not only theft, it is INTIMIDATION and 'terroristic' towards the Palestinians. Gaza border is artificially being run by Israel also, far far beyond any other respect of some OTHER 'sovereign nation. Why did you NOT go to Gaza for vacation instead?

Also, both sides are 'wrong' in many of their behaviors of which RELIGION is what guides their claims and emotional drives. Where one is 'secular', they SHOULD NOT be there 'officially'.....except if the system was wink, wink, just biased to favor one's 'Semitic' roots, a more clear proof of their racist ideals especially if one is non-religious to the core. Ironically, the more extreme 'orthodox' people with strong religious purpose, are against the Zionist concept as they too recognize what 'jew' meant to Jews.

You are so full of crap. What are you even ranting on about? Learn to write properly for crying out loud, although I can understand why someone who doesn't have facts or history on their side would write incoherently. Who cares about the 'Britich Mandate'? That ended nearly a hundred years ago. What's the point in even bringing it up? The arabs missed their chance MULTIPLE TIMES and have been bitching about it ever since (in a homicidal way). Israel exists NOW. That's not going to change.

'This one' actually believes that it knows 'the future'.

How about you just wait, and see, first, like the 'rest of us'?

If you want to go back in time, it's the Gazans who are squatting on Israeli land. Israel doesn't have to 'justify' its existence to anyone. Why would it? No other country has to. What do you want? The genocide of Israelis? Would that make you happy? Turn Israel into another islamic shit-hole that throws gays off buildings and stones and hangs women for being raped? Does it really annoy you THAT much that Jews have a country where they are relatively safe from being constantly slaughtered? How many countries do muslims have? Anyone who can still side with plasticinians after what they did is seriously fucked in the head. Strangling babies with their bare hands in front of their mother, a mob of 'ordinary' people including children tormenting them beforehand. How can you even think about that without feeling sick? Or don't you think about it? And yeah, it was all posted online because they are proud of what they do. It's real, unlike the pallywood videos and absurd AI photos that your ilk lap up, along with the bullshit about 'starving people' and 'genocide'. Where are all these starving people hiding? Fuck you.

Talk about another prime example of one who has been absolutely blinded, by their "one-sided" beliefs and views.