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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:24 pm Roy's message about suffering coming to an end is true. He is living testimony of that truth, and so am I

What??
Your suffering came to an end? When was that?

And, God, you could have saved so much time in our conversation. I was pointing out that he was saying if you get it, your suffering will end. All you had to say was that yours had ended and I would have been impressed. But you kept asserting that you were suffering but you got it. And you thought it was ridiculous I was saying what in fact he was saying.

And now you're saying it.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:39 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:24 pm Roy's message about suffering coming to an end is true. He is living testimony of that truth, and so am I

What??
Your suffering came to an end? When was that?

And, God, you could have saved so much time in our conversation. I was pointing out that he was saying if you get it, your suffering will end. All you had to say was that yours had ended and I would have been impressed. But you kept asserting that you were suffering but you got it. And you thought it was ridiculous I was saying what in fact he was saying.

And now you're saying it.

My suffering has ended. I used to suffer in the past, but I no longer suffer anymore. Nonduality helped me to understand how suffering can come to an end. But I had to get the message, I had to understand it first which was needed before I could understand my suffering will end, and it did, simply because I got it, I got the message, I understood it.

And that is all Roy is saying too, but then I'm sure he will clarify if what I have said, is not how he see it.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:16 pm
He is proselytising

But aren't all philosophers attempting to convert their oppositions to their own personal sense of what is true? aren't we all guilty of trying to win our side of an argument, and to get the opposition on our side?

I'm sure he will clarify

I wish he would. I watched both videos and...

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:11 amI don't get it.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:16 pm

I'm sure he will clarify

I wish he would. I watched both videos and...

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:11 amI don't get it.

So what?

Who cares?

I never been able to understand algebra...but maybe if I wanted to and spent years studying it, then I will maybe understand it, but until I have desire to want to understand it, I will only know about it, but never understand it.

Who cares?

Roy, I imagine.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:12 pm My suffering has ended. I used to suffer in the past, but I no longer suffer anymore.

OK, on the 24th you were still suffering, but now on the 25th you are not. Great. So, Roy was probably right. If you get it, you won't suffer. Good for you.
I hope you don't mind if I check in in a couple of weeks to see how you are doing. Because this is important. If watching two videos can end suffering, and not just for 24 hours, this is incredibly important.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:24 pm

Who cares?

Roy, I imagine.

No Henry, Roy does not care whether you get it or not...turn this around to yourself...do you care whether you get it, that's the only question you should be concentrating on?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:27 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:12 pm My suffering has ended. I used to suffer in the past, but I no longer suffer anymore.

OK, on the 24th you were still suffering, but now on the 25th you are not. Great. So, Roy was probably right. If you get it, you won't suffer. Good for you.
I hope you don't mind if I check in in a couple of weeks to see how you are doing. Because this is important. If watching two videos can end suffering, and not just for 24 hours, this is incredibly important.

Mebbe that's why I don't get it: I ain't sufferin'. Is sufferin' a perquisite to gettin' Roy's message?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:27 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:12 pm My suffering has ended. I used to suffer in the past, but I no longer suffer anymore.

OK, on the 24th you were still suffering, but now on the 25th you are not. Great. So, Roy was probably right. If you get it, you won't suffer. Good for you.
I hope you don't mind if I check in in a couple of weeks to see how you are doing. Because this is important. If watching two videos can end suffering, and not just for 24 hours, this is incredibly important.

I have suffered in the past, but I do not suffer anymore..ever...so checking in a day will be futile. I never suffer anymore.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:15 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:16 pm
He is proselytising

But aren't all philosophers attempting to convert their oppositions to their own personal sense of what is true? aren't we all guilty of trying to win our side of an argument, and to get the opposition on our side?

Most philosophers have more reason and clear and constructive means of thinking.
His is more like religion.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:30 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:27 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:12 pm My suffering has ended. I used to suffer in the past, but I no longer suffer anymore.

OK, on the 24th you were still suffering, but now on the 25th you are not. Great. So, Roy was probably right. If you get it, you won't suffer. Good for you.
I hope you don't mind if I check in in a couple of weeks to see how you are doing. Because this is important. If watching two videos can end suffering, and not just for 24 hours, this is incredibly important.

Mebbe that's why I don't get it: I ain't sufferin'. Is sufferin' a perquisite to gettin' Roy's message?

That's great that you are not suffering...and no, one doesn't have to be suffering to get the message...someone like you who is not suffering can get the message.

Not you, because you've already said you don't, and that's fine.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:33 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:15 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:16 pm
He is proselytising

But aren't all philosophers attempting to convert their oppositions to their own personal sense of what is true? aren't we all guilty of trying to win our side of an argument, and to get the opposition on our side?

Most philosophers have more reason and clear and constructive means of thinking.
His is more like religion.

Oh I see, so it's about clear and constructive thinking...and you'd not be wrong, but if you understand the message, you'd see that it's a pointing that points to the end of all religious belief. But that's for you to get from the message.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:33 am

roydop wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:20 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:37 pm


And you want to be taken seriously?
Please do not give up your meds

Wow, great rebuttal!

I don't suffer. Whether you believe me or not is irrelevant. If you wish to cease your own suffering, I suggest you follow my teaching or the teaching of Ramana Maharshi. If you don't want to end your suffering, carry on.

No rebuttal needed since nothing is here to rebut. You have to have made a case. What you seem to have is a series of unsubstantiated and confused ramblings; self contradictory, vague and diffuse.

Yes, the part where I delved into the actual meanings of the words "thing" and "nothing" is indeed self-contradictory, vague and diffuse.

However, the triune system that was presented is anything but all of that.

So there's two things (but not a physical object, which is the definition of "thing", for a real-life example of the vague and diffuse nature of the word "thing") going on in the video. The first I point out how fucked up the current model is and then I present an amended model that fixes all of the problems and paradoxes that are inherent in the present starkly dualistic system. This is the Fundamental Model of Reality that naturally and invariably arise when the fundamental workings of reality are expressed.

You seem unable to distinguish between what I'm creating/adapting and what is already in place. The only part that I am adapting is the shifting from the "thing"/"nothing" model to the "thing" "POTENTIAL" "thought" model. The model now adheres to the triune systems (yin TAO yang; past PRESENCE future; christ GOD holy ghost; birth LIFE death; particle OBSERVER wave function, male SELF female, etc)

Your inability to see this is an indication of your deep state of delusion. All of humanity is in the same state of delusion and this is WHY humanity has destroyed the planet, why the monetary and governmental systems of the world are collapsing and WHY we are sliding swiftly into a literal hell.

Makes perfect sense.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:27 pm
OK, on the 24th you were still suffering,

I don't think I was.

I haven't suffered for quite a long time now.

It's not like it's just come to an end after watching these videos...It ended long before I watched the videos.

I'm just here to verify Roy's own experience of the end of suffering is true, because it's also true for me, so I'm just saying it can happen to anyone. If it can happen to one person, it can happen to everyone, is my belief anyway.