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Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun May 25, 2025 2:33 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 8:55 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 8:44 pm

If I wanted to say that lie, I would have.

I was reporting what the Bible states.

I base my opinions on a superior criteria than yours and can back them with sound arguments and apologetics.

All your ilk has ever had were inquisitions and jihads.

The older and wiser non-supernatural Christianity was better than the garbage we suffer today.

Judge by morality and see why Yahweh should be in hell.

The older and wiser non-supernatural Christianity was better than the garbage we suffer today.

What do you have in mind when you use the term "non-supernatural Christianity"? Details please.

A religion where our sins of missing the mark and evolution is recognized and appreciated.

Google theistic evolution or read the following.

"Sin: The Path to Excellence"
Sin has long been associated with moral failure, but what if we reframe it? I see sin as something essential to human growth—a necessary part of striving for excellence.
At its core, sin simply means “missing the mark.” It’s not about wickedness but about falling short of an ideal. Christianity and even Gnostic traditions acknowledge this idea in different ways. The concept of felix culpa—the “happy fault”—suggests that sin is necessary for God’s plan. Whether or not one believes in the supernatural, the wisdom of this idea is clear: missing the mark is a natural part of aiming for something greater.
To evolve, both as individuals and as a species, we must take risks and inevitably fall short. This process—of setting goals, failing, and trying again—is what drives progress. Every moment of “sin” is evidence that we’re pushing ourselves beyond our comfort zones and striving toward our best possible selves. This is what we do, consciously or unconsciously, at every point in our lives.
Even competition, often seen as divisive, is tied to this idea. Competition highlights our shortcomings, creating a contrast between where we are and where we want to be. It creates leaders, innovators, and excellence by encouraging us to improve. Of course, competition produces losers, and those losses can feel like failures or even evoke the idea of "evil." But in truth, every loss is an opportunity—a moment to learn, adapt, and grow stronger.
This is why I celebrate sin—not as a call to moral failure but as an embrace of imperfection and growth. Without sin, without missing the mark, we would have no benchmarks for greatness. There would be no leaders to inspire us, no innovators to challenge us, and no progress to drive humanity forward.
I don’t believe in the supernatural, but I see wisdom in the way ancient scribes wove this idea into their teachings. Sin, in its truest sense, is not something to avoid but something to engage with thoughtfully. It is the evidence of our striving, our courage to try, and our commitment to evolve.
So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinner in the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better version of yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 8:44 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 7:34 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 3:33 pm

There are no true believers according to the Bible, It says that anyone with faith or belief will do all that Jesus did and more.

Do you see a believer anywhere?

I do not.

Huh? So you're saying religions don't possess True Believers?

You're free to have your opinion, my experience differs.

If I wanted to say that lie, I would have.

I was reporting what the Bible states.

I base my opinions on a superior criteria than yours and can back them with sound arguments and apologetics.

All your ilk has ever had were inquisitions and jihads.

The older and wiser non-supernatural Christianity was better than the garbage we suffer today.

Judge by morality and see why Yahweh should be in hell.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 11:16 pm I don't profess to know if there is a God or not, but I think pretty much any religion that professes that those who worship God are somehow privileged over those who don't, has bullshit added to it. Like God is their personal bodyguard and they have a backstage pass and everyone else is going to burn in hell or something. Also, religions with almost any kind of sacred ritual seem like bullshit to me.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 1:51 am Religion gives a blanket permission to despise certain people.
To tell you the truth, it is even fun to do. I personally very much enjoy doing that.

Therefore , I think that it is exactly the other way around.

A religion that does not despise the unbelievers is a false religion, as it fails to galvanize the natural feelings of hatred and anger of the believers against people who argue against their beliefs.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 11:16 pm I don't profess to know if there is a God or not, but I think pretty much any religion that professes that those who worship God are somehow privileged over those who don't, has bullshit added to it. Like God is their personal bodyguard and they have a backstage pass and everyone else is going to burn in hell or something. Also, religions with almost any kind of sacred ritual seem like bullshit to me.

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 2:28 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 11:16 pm I don't profess to know if there is a God or not, but I think pretty much any religion that professes that those who worship God are somehow privileged over those who don't, has bullshit added to it. Like God is their personal bodyguard and they have a backstage pass and everyone else is going to burn in hell or something. Also, religions with almost any kind of sacred ritual seem like bullshit to me.

Why should they choose to believe in a God that wasn't created to serve them? Especially when there are many from which to choose? Perhaps none more than the God in which Christians believe - especially the God of Evangelical Christians.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 2:34 am The entire Abrahamic tradition is a plague on humanity. It either turns people into psychopaths--to match their God I guess--or else maybe psychopaths are attracted to it. Not sure which. \_('_')_/

godelian wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 2:46 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 2:34 am The entire Abrahamic tradition is a plague on humanity. It either turns people into psychopaths--to match their God I guess--or else maybe psychopaths are attracted to it. Not sure which. \_('_')_/

I am perfectly fine with holding a hardcore of heavily-armed psychopaths in reserve.

You see, our side has them. Your side almost surely not.

The more that there are dangerous psychopaths ready to risk their lives and die for my beliefs, the more I feel reassured.

At some point, we must have the courage to unleash the hounds of hell and then watch things unfold from a safe distance. Where is the popcorn?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 2:49 am Well, that's pretty disgusting.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 2:49 am Have a nice day.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 2:34 am

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 2:28 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 11:16 pm I don't profess to know if there is a God or not, but I think pretty much any religion that professes that those who worship God are somehow privileged over those who don't, has bullshit added to it. Like God is their personal bodyguard and they have a backstage pass and everyone else is going to burn in hell or something. Also, religions with almost any kind of sacred ritual seem like bullshit to me.

Why should they choose to believe in a God that wasn't created to serve them? Especially when there are many from which to choose? Perhaps none more than the God in which Christians believe - especially the God of Evangelical Christians.

The entire Abrahamic tradition is a plague on humanity. It either turns people into psychopaths--to match their God I guess--or else maybe psychopaths are attracted to it. Not sure which. \_('_')_/

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Thu May 15, 2025 10:37 am Fairly recently I was talking to a Buddhist who was telling me that he had started going to a Christian church which surprised me. So I asked him if he was aware of core beliefs such as: Jesus paid for their sins; no one can make themselves righteous; for all intents and purposes, God grants them forgiveness for the asking; their sins are not their fault - it is because of the fallen nature of man. HIs response? "Sounds like the makings for psychopaths". Which it is. Not that all or even many necessarily become psychopaths, but the makings are there all the same. I know one such individual personally. That said, this does beget a strong tendency toward extreme narcissism, selfishness/self-centeredness, dishonesty, hypocrisy, etc. When it comes down to it, they believe things are true because they believe them. I suspect that this is why so many of them are prone to demagoguery, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, believing in conspiracy theories, etc.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 3:01 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 2:49 am Have a nice day.

Yes, you too. Have a nice, delusional day in naive lalaland!

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 3:50 am If that's the case, then I hope your day is much nicer. It sounds like you need one.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 4:11 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 3:50 am If that's the case, then I hope your day is much nicer. It sounds like you need one.

I am in the gym now, about to go into the sauna after my workout. The control board says that it is 68 degrees Celsius inside the sauna. So, wish me good luck. I will need it!

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 4:13 am Sounds like you're staying active, which is good. Enjoy.