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Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:11 pm Indeed it could; from people who collect stamps to those who want to make the world a better place by talking about it with passion.

I am not sure what you mean here. Are you agreeing? The first example is fairly harmless except perhaps at dinner parties or for the collector's family if they want to talk about it and don't notice others' lack of interest. The latter type of person might be just peachy if they are interesting, speak well and listen also. Or they could be social monsters.

Passion adds intensity, of some kind. So to me it depends on what they are intense about and then also how the passion manifests. If it manifests in shrieking and hitting people, then the particular thing they are passionate about probably can't eliminate the problems. Unless they are passionate about protecting their family and are screaming at and hitting someone who broke into their daughter's room to rape her.

This is me digging at the potential blanket condemnation of passion.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:19 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:11 pm Indeed it could; from people who collect stamps to those who want to make the world a better place by talking about it with passion.

I am not sure what you mean here. Are you agreeing? The first example is fairly harmless except perhaps at dinner parties or for the collector's family if they want to talk about it and don't notice others' lack of interest. The latter type of person might be just peachy if they are interesting, speak well and listen also. Or they could be social monsters.

Passion adds intensity, of some kind. So to me it depends on what they are intense about and then also how the passion manifests. If it manifests in shrieking and hitting people, then the particular thing they are passionate about probably can't eliminate the problems. Unless they are passionate about protecting their family and are screaming at and hitting someone who broke into their daughter's room to rape her.

This is me digging at the potential blanket condemnation of passion.

You completely miss the point. Are you American by any chance? What is it with Americans and being literal? They don't seem to be capable of subtlety.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:19 pm
I am not sure what you mean here.

That's disappointing, because I don't know either, and I was counting on your knowing.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:19 pm Passion adds intensity, of some kind. So to me it depends on what they are intense about and then also how the passion manifests.

It always seems to me that they are passionate about passion. The object of the passion is irrelevant, it's all about the passion itself. I mean, why would you want to spend your Sunday morning at home mowing your lawn, and being a nobody, when you could be taking part in a demonstration about global warming or transgender rights, and getting yourself arrested for public disorder while achieving absolutely nothing by it? But that takes passion.

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:53 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:19 pm
I am not sure what you mean here.

That's disappointing, because I don't know either, and I was counting on your knowing.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:19 pm Passion adds intensity, of some kind. So to me it depends on what they are intense about and then also how the passion manifests.

It always seems to me that they are passionate about passion. The object of the passion is irrelevant, it's all about the passion itself. I mean, why would you want to spend your Sunday morning at home mowing your lawn, and being a nobody, when you could be taking part in a demonstration about global warming or transgender rights, and getting yourself arrested for public disorder while achieving absolutely nothing by it? But that takes passion.

I you have to go around telling everyone how 'passionate' you are about something then it's not genuine--it's self-agrandising.

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:53 pm That's disappointing, because I don't know either, and I was counting on your knowing.

Thank goodness. I just realized you agreed with me completely. So, strongly I began to doubt myself. I am recovering in my den.

It always seems to me that they are passionate about passion.

Ain't you passionate about something?
I really don't think so. Sure, some are. They want that place to release.

The object of the passion is irrelevant, it's all about the passion itself. I mean, why would you want to spend your Sunday morning at home mowing your lawn, and being a nobody, when you could be taking part in a demonstration about global warming or transgender rights, and getting yourself arrested for public disorder while achieving absolutely nothing by it? But that takes passion.

I've had neighers so passionate about mosing their lawns they had no problem being passionate about the lack of care of mine. I mean, I hear you. Some people likely do get passionate about things to run from the nothingness of other aspects of their lives. But then.....I don't think it iholds as a blanket condemnation.

We got limbic systems. Things matter to us. Yes, we can use passions as defense mechanisms, distrations. We can work ourselves up.
On the other hand we can be passionately drawn to things without some need to replace or distract or hide or for secondary gain.

Ain't there something you're passionate about?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:51 pm You completely miss the point. Are you American by any chance? What is it with Americans and being literal? They don't seem to be capable of subtlety.

You could tell me what you think the point is instead of insulting me. Do you disagree with my main point?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:09 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:53 pm That's disappointing, because I don't know either, and I was counting on your knowing.

Thank goodness. I just realized you agreed with me completely. So, strongly I began to doubt myself. I am recovering in my den.

It always seems to me that they are passionate about passion.

Ain't you passionate about something?
I really don't think so. Sure, some are. They want that place to release.

The object of the passion is irrelevant, it's all about the passion itself. I mean, why would you want to spend your Sunday morning at home mowing your lawn, and being a nobody, when you could be taking part in a demonstration about global warming or transgender rights, and getting yourself arrested for public disorder while achieving absolutely nothing by it? But that takes passion.

I've had neighers so passionate about mosing their lawns they had no problem being passionate about the lack of care of mine. I mean, I hear you. Some people likely do get passionate about things to run from the nothingness of other aspects of their lives. But then.....I don't think it iholds as a blanket condemnation.

We got limbic systems. Things matter to us. Yes, we can use passions as defense mechanisms, distrations. We can work ourselves up.
On the other hand we can be passionately drawn to things without some need to replace or distract or hide or for secondary gain.

Ain't there something you're passionate about?

Bad spelling, a 'den', 'ain't', awful grammar.... I see my 'are you American?' question was superfluous.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:09 pm Ain't there something you're passionate about?

Do you really think I would admit it if there were?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:58 pm

I you have to go around telling everyone how 'passionate' you are about something then it's not genuine--it's self-agrandising.

You can see that, and I can see it, but they are blinded by passion.


"O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!"

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:14 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:09 pm Ain't there something you're passionate about?

Do you really think I would admit it if i were?

You loved it when Age did something similar.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:12 pm Bad spelling, a 'den', 'ain't', awful grammar.... I see my 'are you American?' question was superfluous.

I spelled 'den' correctly. It was 'my den', not 'a den' by the way. Given that den can mean a room in a flat or house, one can have one. Hence 'my den'.
Ain't was meant playfully, and many people would see that I have also been playing with Harbal in my responses. (I see subtlety is not your forte).
Further, if you think I can't conjugate 'to be', your intuition is poor. Note: your intuition. I am sure many members of your country are better readers and would avoid your kind of content-empty snark posts.
But thank you for showing what one of your passions is...no, what two of them are.

I shall ignore you from here on out, old chum.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:40 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:12 pm Bad spelling, a 'den', 'ain't', awful grammar.... I see my 'are you American?' question was superfluous.

I spelled 'den' correctly. It was 'my den', not 'a den' by the way. Given that den can mean a room in a flat or house, one can have one. Hence 'my den'.
Ain't was meant playfully, and many people would see that I have also been playing with Harbal in my responses. (I see subtlety is not your forte).
Further, if you think I can't conjugate 'to be', your intuition is poor. Note: your intuition. I am sure many members of your country are better readers and would avoid your kind of content-empty snark posts.
But thank you for showing what one of your passions is...no, what two of them are.

I shall ignore you from here on out, old chum.

That would be 'spelt'. And I didn't say you SPELT den incorrectly. I was just pointing out that it's a term only Americans use.
Fine with me. I've never read anything you've written before anyway. I only read it because it was on Harbal's thread

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:08 pm Is there anything worse than a person who is "passionate" about something?

Have no passion.

There seems to be an obessional demand for using correct spelling as well as good grammar on this PN forum, as if it mattered at all, since each culture from whatever country surely is entitled to use their own conditioned lingo. So why would anyone want to judge what is simply some diverse cultural norms of expression. It seems a bit petty to me. Even the most highly educated among us can misspell words, and fall into grammatical errors, but what does any of this matter on an English speaking forum, where most of the readers and posters understand the English language. Knowing English, most people would normally be able to decipher what a misspelt word is actually saying and there would be no point in getting all pedantic and uppity about it.

Some people are really bad at spelling and grammar, but so what?... Surely it's what they have to say that's more important in my opinion. Truth cookies and nuggets are found in the message, not in how the message is being spelt. Why be too overly passionate about the delivery and presentation of a message, when it's what's being said that really matters, surely?... We all bleed the same red blood, expressing ourselves with words is not a composition competition, is it?

Just felt like a rant...no insult or offence implied or intended.

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bobmax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:15 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:08 pm Is there anything worse than a person who is "passionate" about something?

Have no passion.

Why do we need to show passion? and why do we think we need to impose our need to show passion on others as if it's expected of them to do so?