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Why assume nothing exists in the first place? The law of identity says nothing is nothing. The law of noncontradiction says it can't be something. The law of the excluded middle says it can't be both while it's changing from nothing to something.

Erk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:37 pm Why assume nothing exists in the first place?

Because it's a concept, and concepts exist as concepts.

Erk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:37 pmThe law of identity says nothing is nothing. The law of noncontradiction says it can't be something. The law of the excluded middle says it can't be both while it's changing from nothing to something.

The law of identity is a known concept, a mental construction..in that the mind knows itself. There is nothing outside of that mentally constructed arena.

That word nothing cannot be excluded from the knowledge which conceives it. There is no contradiction since there is here only concepts known.

So nothing is changing as no thing made a law, it's just a concept.

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Erk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:37 pm Why assume nothing exists in the first place?

To use reductio ad absurdum and show that we end up with a contradiction.

Erk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:37 pm The law of identity says nothing is nothing. The law of noncontradiction says it can't be something. The law of the excluded middle says it can't be both while it's changing from nothing to something.

These apply to everything.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:30 pm

Erk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:37 pm Why assume nothing exists in the first place?

Because it's a concept, and concepts exist as concepts.

Then I would suggest considering it an illogical concept.

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:06 pm

Erk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:37 pm Why assume nothing exists in the first place?

To use reductio ad absurdum and show that we end up with a contradiction.

Erk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:37 pm The law of identity says nothing is nothing. The law of noncontradiction says it can't be something. The law of the excluded middle says it can't be both while it's changing from nothing to something.

These apply to everything.

Exactly and yes respectively.

Erk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:13 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:30 pm

Erk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:37 pm Why assume nothing exists in the first place?

Because it's a concept, and concepts exist as concepts.

Then I would suggest considering it an illogical concept.

Everything and Nothing are basically the same state, so yes, very illogical, reality is basically irrational.

Something we appear to take very seriously. I guess actors on a stage have to take their roles seriously else the play would not be convincing.

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