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Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2026 10:57 pm You’re stuck in a loop, Mick.
You spread right wing lies, AJ. You pretend you believe them, but you can’t justify that belief. Your pose as a intellectual seeker-after-truth is exposed as merely that—a pose.
You are that most common and tedious thing, a right wing liar.
Describe to me the alternative? Present the truer perspective and outlook that is the right one to have. Tell me in what place you live in and what is going on there politically and socially. Why do these Rightwing liars lie as you say they do? And what is the truth? If you don’t follow them, who do you follow Mick? How do you orient yourself?
Surely these are things that you desire to present to me and to those reading? Make the correction then. Spell it out. I am all ears.
The alternative to spreading lies? Simple! It’s to not spread lies.
How much help from me do you need to make the switch, AJ?
To begin with, it’s a good rule of thumb to not accuse people falsely. That doesn’t just mean avoiding making accusations that you know are false. You also need to avoid making accusations you have no reason to believe are true.
Janoah wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2026 2:08 pm
There is something to this.
The United States neutralized Saddam Hussein, who attacked Kuwait, oppressed the Kurds with chemical weapons, and fired missiles at Israel.
Then the US neutralized the sadistic ISIS thugs.
Now, thanks to Allah, Trump is neutralizing the IRGC terrorists, who initially declared their main goal to be "death to America."
It's clear that people like Mamdani and his American voters don't like this.
Christian Tucker Carlson and his ilk don't like it either.
The already warped brains of anti-Semites do not allow them to cope with their demagoguery.
But there is something more global in this world, on the one hand, Christian idolatry, the insolvency of the Trinity, and it is indicated in the Quran, so Muslims are aware of it.
On the other hand, the demagogy of Muslims does not allow them to understand the Tanakh, and they slide towards ISIS, the IRGC, Hamas.
And anti-religious people end up with parades of sexual perversions.
C'est la vie
And here Janoah misses or avoids the main point of my post. He interprets no wanting to go to war with Iran as being pro-the regime in Iran and anti-semitic. That's it. If you are against US participation in the war your motives are pro-Ayatollah anti-Jew. This is ad hominem in the extreme, nicely avoids having to deal with any of their actually arguments against the war, which are diverse, and thus self-serving. If you don't want the US military to do what I want them to do, then you are evil. People could not have other motives for not wanting yet again a military intervention then perhaps invasion in the ME, given what this has led to before. People couldn't be pacifist. People couldn't possibily be concerned about civilians and the lives of US soldiers, given what has happened previous times in the ME. People couldn't be concerned that Trump who ran on a promise to not intervene, not do regime change in the ME - and his position was passionate and utterly clear - is suddenly doing this for reasons not made clear. You know, when a mature person says 'Yes, I asserted X many, many times. But here's why I seem to be or in fact am going against what I said. People could not have wanted a different approach to solving the problem.
No. If someone disagrees with Janoah regarding US foreign policy, then they are anti-semites and they like the regime in Iran.
Yes, many people in Iran support the war, quietly. Now. But if it goes the way of Iraq or Tunesia they may well think differently as citizens there, especially in Iraq went through a change over time when they saw what invasion by the US entails. Further, many people in Iran are afraid that if the regime manages to survive the war, which is clearly possible, they will be much worse on the people. Anyone thinking Trump gives a shit about the people of Iran is confused. And he may well accept some face-saving compromise where the regime is intact. That may be the opposite of a positive thing for the Iranian people. The US does not intervene for the people of the countries they intervene in, and it shows.
But no, being aware of any of this or the other issues above means it's all about anti-semitism and love for the Iranian regime. This is a nice simplistic and no doubt comforting little next to curl up in. No complexity, just condemnation or do what I want. A binary, self serving bit of mind reading.
*** That's it***
Janoah however wrote: There is something to this,
something only.
There are many shades of gray mass.
I have mentioned the most colorful ones - Islamists, crusaders, leftist perverts, but please add other shades.
Janoah wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2026 2:08 pm
There is something to this.
The United States neutralized Saddam Hussein, who attacked Kuwait, oppressed the Kurds with chemical weapons, and fired missiles at Israel.
Then the US neutralized the sadistic ISIS thugs.
Now, thanks to Allah, Trump is neutralizing the IRGC terrorists, who initially declared their main goal to be "death to America."
It's clear that people like Mamdani and his American voters don't like this.
Christian Tucker Carlson and his ilk don't like it either.
The already warped brains of anti-Semites do not allow them to cope with their demagoguery.
But there is something more global in this world, on the one hand, Christian idolatry, the insolvency of the Trinity, and it is indicated in the Quran, so Muslims are aware of it.
On the other hand, the demagogy of Muslims does not allow them to understand the Tanakh, and they slide towards ISIS, the IRGC, Hamas.
And anti-religious people end up with parades of sexual perversions.
C'est la vie
And here Janoah misses or avoids the main point of my post. He interprets no wanting to go to war with Iran as being pro-the regime in Iran and anti-semitic. That's it. If you are against US participation in the war your motives are pro-Ayatollah anti-Jew. This is ad hominem in the extreme, nicely avoids having to deal with any of their actually arguments against the war, which are diverse, and thus self-serving. If you don't want the US military to do what I want them to do, then you are evil. People could not have other motives for not wanting yet again a military intervention then perhaps invasion in the ME, given what this has led to before. People couldn't be pacifist. People couldn't possibily be concerned about civilians and the lives of US soldiers, given what has happened previous times in the ME. People couldn't be concerned that Trump who ran on a promise to not intervene, not do regime change in the ME - and his position was passionate and utterly clear - is suddenly doing this for reasons not made clear. You know, when a mature person says 'Yes, I asserted X many, many times. But here's why I seem to be or in fact am going against what I said. People could not have wanted a different approach to solving the problem.
No. If someone disagrees with Janoah regarding US foreign policy, then they are anti-semites and they like the regime in Iran.
Yes, many people in Iran support the war, quietly. Now. But if it goes the way of Iraq or Tunesia they may well think differently as citizens there, especially in Iraq went through a change over time when they saw what invasion by the US entails. Further, many people in Iran are afraid that if the regime manages to survive the war, which is clearly possible, they will be much worse on the people. Anyone thinking Trump gives a shit about the people of Iran is confused. And he may well accept some face-saving compromise where the regime is intact. That may be the opposite of a positive thing for the Iranian people. The US does not intervene for the people of the countries they intervene in, and it shows.
But no, being aware of any of this or the other issues above means it's all about anti-semitism and love for the Iranian regime. This is a nice simplistic and no doubt comforting little next to curl up in. No complexity, just condemnation or do what I want. A binary, self serving bit of mind reading.
*** That's it***
Janoah however wrote: There is something to this,
something only.
There are many shades of gray mass.
I have mentioned the most colorful ones - Islamists, crusaders, leftist perverts, but please add other shades.
Are you suggesting that God may be backing Israel, and those who oppose Israel oppose God, and therefore bad things (natural forces) are happening to those who oppose Israel and, consequently, therefore oppose God? Or am I misunderstanding your thoughts?
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2026 1:49 pm
Are you suggesting that God may be backing Israel, and those who oppose Israel oppose God, and therefore bad things (natural forces) are happening to those who oppose Israel and, consequently, therefore oppose God? Or am I misunderstanding your thoughts?
In historical retrospect, one can see that whoever goes against Israel goes to hell.
If Israel goes against the God of Israel, then it also goes in that direction.
If Israel goes against the God of Israel, then it also goes in that direction.
Is Israel going against the "God of Israel" by what it has done in Gaza?
Probably not given that the same God dude said...
That God dude wrote:Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. 1 Samuel 15:3
Genocide is entirely in keeping with the Bible.
The weird thing is that Janoah mentioned going to Hell. I didn't think his people believed in that.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2026 5:10 pm
Genocide is entirely in keeping with the Bible.
Leaving aside WHY Amelek was so singled out << as being beyond the pale >>. Compare to modern events, 10/7.
But yes, I can provide examples, if not in Gaza at least the West Bank. Cutting down the enemy's olive trees, lemon trees, etc. is a violation of one of Torah's rules for warfare.
By the way, how do you explain that none of the supporters of oppressed Islamists took them in during the fighting, including neighboring Egypt, and a little further away Spain, Londonistan?
After all, millions of refugees from Syria and Ukraine were accepted.
And by the way, #FreeAlAndalus, for starters.
phyllo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2026 5:08 pm
That's what Israel wants ... empty out Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem.
Why be complicit in that?
Israel is a country, doesn't want anything.
You can say "the Israeli government" wants, you can say many/the majority of Israelis want, etc. Things like that. Since it is election time in Israel, shall we wait and see?
Janoah wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2026 1:14 pm
By the way, how do you explain that none of the supporters of oppressed Islamists took them in during the fighting, including neighboring Egypt, and a little further away Spain, Londonistan?
After all, millions of refugees from Syria and Ukraine were accepted.
And by the way, #FreeAlAndalus, for starters.
At the rate things are going, Israel and the US may have to make some concessions for peace. Iran holds all the cards in its favor. China and Russia are not going to let Iran crumble. There is no way Israel and the US can win against the combined military might of China, Russia, and Iran (should the war expand). The US and Israel can barely trade blows with Iran alone. It's a matter of self-preservation of the West. If Israel is going to relentlessly destroy Gaza without mercy, then how should we expect China, Russia, and Iran to have mercy on us if push comes to shove? We can't afford to be draconian and fight to the death of Gazans because it might be Israelis and those of us in the West who will be the ones to face death. We're not as strong as we need to be if we want to flaunt human rights and go all the way to genocide in Gaza and Iran. Iran and Gaza will fight to the last one standing if they can't get their way. The world needs peace. The US and Israel cannot afford to seek to exterminate an enemy who may, in fact, be stronger than we are. They may end up exterminating us. It seems extremely foolish to me for Israel and the US to be mongering for war right now. We need to seek peace for our own self-preservation.
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Those are the cold, hard facts. Life isn't fair, especially when you go for the jugular. Don't expect God to come bail us out with a miracle (assuming there is a God). We might have an eternal wait if we aren't the ones exterminated before then.
Welp, according to the B, there is a definite finite ending. Problem is... well, couple problems... is that god knew this (because he's onnipotent) from the beginning and that we'd not be able to know which part of the evil we experience is part of the built-in structure of the design and which parts are the inconsequential sins of individuals.
Now remember, it can't be that god knew we would destroy ourselves but didn't make it happen. Omnipotence and omniscience are a package deal, excluding any possibility for freewill in a created thing. It would be logically impossible for a god to create a world he didn't make do x but knew would do x.
Solution? Ask as Mr. James Hetfield did: Am I evil?
