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Eodnhoj7
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Re: Why Philosophical Realists are Stuck in a Loop?

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Nov 26, 2025 3:52 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:34 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 8:26 am

1. “Is” as existence is not a distinction.
When we say:
  • “There is an apple,”
    “There is experience,”
this “is” expresses existence, which Kant shows is not a predicate and does not add any property or any contrast.
It merely posits something within possible experience.
Existence is prior to and independent of distinction.
You cannot distinguish unless something already exists.

2. Using the word “is” does not make it a distinction.
Your argument assumes:
“If we use a word, that word must be a distinction.”
That isn’t how language works.
Words in English perform different roles depending on context:
  • copula (“is red”)
    identity (“A is B”)
    existence (“there is…”)
    class inclusion (“Socrates is a man”)
None of these are distinctions.
They are grammatical functions, not metaphysical claims.

The mere fact that a word has an opposite (“is” / “is not”) does not make it a distinction.
By that logic:
  • up/down
    true/false
    cause/effect
    inside/outside
would all be “distinctions in themselves,” which is nonsense.

Opposition ≠ distinction.
Negation ≠ metaphysics.

3. Existence still precedes distinction.

To make a distinction you need:
  • a subject
    relata
    a framework
    a contrast relation
All of these must exist first before any distinction is possible.

Thus your statement:
“You claim existence precedes distinction and yet distinction ‘is’.”
misses the order of dependence.

“Is” here is existential positing, not distinction-making.
Your objection uses the very existence whose priority it attempts to deny.

4. Final point
Using a word does not make that word a distinction.
Saying “is” does not commit me to distinction;
it commits me to grammar.

The foundation remains:
Existence (the givenness of experience) must come first.
Distinction is a derivative cognitive act that occurs only within existence.

Your argument confuses:
the grammar /language of “is”
with
the metaphysics of existence
and once that confusion is removed, the objection collapses.

.........
above is AI assisted.
"Is" is distinct from "is not". "Is" is a distinction.
Can you counter the argument points above instead of just looping.
One can put a 'not' to anything.
But in putting, there must be 'existing' before there can be 'putting'.

'Is' is just 'be' or 'exist'.
Just be and don't distinguish.

Your inferencing "Is" is distinct from "is not" is merely an intellectual exercise and linguistic.
They where already countered when you made the distinction of arguments.

I did nothing....you did all the futile work.
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Re: Why Philosophical Realists are Stuck in a Loop?

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Nov 27, 2025 5:59 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Nov 26, 2025 3:52 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:34 am
"Is" is distinct from "is not". "Is" is a distinction.
Can you counter the argument points above instead of just looping.
One can put a 'not' to anything.
But in putting, there must be 'existing' before there can be 'putting'.

'Is' is just 'be' or 'exist'.
Just be and don't distinguish.

Your inferencing "Is" is distinct from "is not" is merely an intellectual exercise and linguistic.
They where already countered when you made the distinction of arguments.

I did nothing....you did all the futile work.
That is intellectual bankrupt.
Eodnhoj7
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Re: Why Philosophical Realists are Stuck in a Loop?

Post by Eodnhoj7 »

Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Nov 27, 2025 8:16 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Nov 27, 2025 5:59 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Nov 26, 2025 3:52 am
Can you counter the argument points above instead of just looping.
One can put a 'not' to anything.
But in putting, there must be 'existing' before there can be 'putting'.

'Is' is just 'be' or 'exist'.
Just be and don't distinguish.

Your inferencing "Is" is distinct from "is not" is merely an intellectual exercise and linguistic.
They where already countered when you made the distinction of arguments.

I did nothing....you did all the futile work.
That is intellectual bankrupt.
On your part...yes I agree...I am glad you see how what you are arguing is a self-refutation by nature of using the same process you argue against.

You literally have no stance but the process of making distinctions.
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