Are moral claims epistemically subjective?

[FlashDangerpants]

VA is back to autistically make everything about himself again.

[promethean75]

What FSK are you using to support that theory, FDP?

[Jori]

I think that moral claims are subjective, unprovable, and doubtful, but not all are necessarily false. I am a moral absolutist, who believe that objective moral truths exist. However, I am also a moral skeptic in that I don't know what are the absolute moral truths. I simply have a moral code which seems highly reasonable, without knowing with certainty that they are true. I am open to change, but meanwhile, I assume they are true until proven false.

[promethean75]

I think that morality and ethics are irrelevant unless and until an international working class collectively owns and controls the means of production. Which is to say, you can't even begin to determine what is 'right' and 'wrong' until this end is established first.

As a consequence of this impossibility of morality, the law too is illegitimate because law is the enforcement of rules of conduct.

There are essentially two types of moral philosophy. The Marxist and and Stirnerist. Anything else is neither here nor there.

[MikeNovack]

There are essentially two types of moral philosophy. The Marxist and and Stirnerist. Anything else is neither here nor there.

For the benefit of most seeing this.

We are discussing the meaning of the relation "owns" in the expression "A owns B". The Marxist holds that this is a relation of material reality. much as the relation "is heavier than" in the expression"A is heavier than B". The Stirnerist says nonsense. Yes I believe in material reality and yes, "is heavier than" is a relation in physical reality but "owns" is not. "Owns" is a relation in SOCIAL REALITY, the collective beliefs of humans. A statement like "A owns B" is true if and only if all others around believe it to be so.

The Marxist would say "workers, take the means of production from the capitalists"
The non-Marxist leftist might say "workers, stop believing that the capitalists own the means of production, convince others the same."

<<Ignore that the individualist anarchists go back to Stirner. There is far less difference between the individualist and collectivist anarchists than you might think in terms of fundamental philosophy >>

[popeye1945]

EVERYTHING IS SUBJECTIVE PERIOD. ONE CANNOT ESCAPE FROM ONE'S SUBJECTIVITY.