YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:31 amWill you write 'this' more clearly please?

No, I decline to cooperate with your incessant desire to understand metaphysics from the perspective of the one here.

Clearly you have never tried to understand from the point of view of another, that is why you continue to seek clarification and are never satisfied with the answers. So no, I am not going to give you answers that you already have, but refuse to understand them clearly. Clearly, you are always looking through the wrong end of the telescope. I'm tired of You.
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:46 am
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:36 am
Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:33 am
'you' still do not get 'it'.

When 'you' look through the One and only Mind, then 'you' will realize that when 'I' am talking about 'you', and 'I', unlike 'you' 'I' am 'looking at' those words objectively. And, not subjectively like 'you' keep doing, here.
I don't know what you are talking about here.
Okay.

And, you have absolutely no interest nor curiosity at all in finding out, correct?
Not yours, no. I have my own truth, thanks all the same.
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:40 am
Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:34 am
So, the sun does not work, until you do.

Well according to "fairy" anyway.
There is no sun until you say there is. A sun has no knowledge of it's existence.
LOL So, the very thing, which is known as, 'the sun', does not exist until 'you', the one, here, known as "fairy", says there is, correct?
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:40 am You do.

Everything already exists as the unborn tao, the unidentified unnamed.
But, absolutely every thing has already been named.

And, if you really do believe that absolutely nothing exists until a species with the ability to name things 'comes along', then are you sure of this?
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:40 am Until there is something to conceive them. That something is You.
And, once again, 'I' will point out to 'you' that the very word, 'you', implies 'another'. Which 'you' say and claim there is none.
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:50 am
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:40 am
Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:34 am
So, the sun does not work, until you do.

Well according to "fairy" anyway.
There is no sun until you say there is. A sun has no knowledge of it's existence.
LOL So, the very thing, which is known as, 'the sun', does not exist until 'you', the one, here, known as "fairy", says there is, correct?
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:40 am You do.

Everything already exists as the unborn tao, the unidentified unnamed.
But, absolutely every thing has already been named.

And, if you really do believe that absolutely nothing exists until a species with the ability to name things 'comes along', then are you sure of this?
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:40 am Until there is something to conceive them. That something is You.
And, once again, 'I' will point out to 'you' that the very word, 'you', implies 'another'. Which 'you' say and claim there is none.
Not interested in responding, because wisdom always informs me that interaction with you just clearly muddies my crystal clear waters.

Talk to your hand, maybe it'll respond to you better than I ever can.
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:50 am
LOL So, the very thing, which is known as, 'the sun', does not exist until 'you', the one, here, known as "fairy", says there is, correct?
That's not what I said. I never said the sun doesn't exist. I said the sun is unaware of it's existence as a concept known by the mind that conceives the object as a conceptualisation, ie: as a sun..

Stop making assumptions, they are the mother of all fuck ups.
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:55 am
Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:50 am
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:40 am

There is no sun until you say there is. A sun has no knowledge of it's existence.
LOL So, the very thing, which is known as, 'the sun', does not exist until 'you', the one, here, known as "fairy", says there is, correct?
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:40 am You do.

Everything already exists as the unborn tao, the unidentified unnamed.
But, absolutely every thing has already been named.

And, if you really do believe that absolutely nothing exists until a species with the ability to name things 'comes along', then are you sure of this?
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:40 am Until there is something to conceive them. That something is You.
And, once again, 'I' will point out to 'you' that the very word, 'you', implies 'another'. Which 'you' say and claim there is none.
Not interested in responding, because wisdom always informs me that interaction with you just clearly muddies my crystal clear waters.
Have you ever wondered why what is 'crystal clear', to you, is not, to others?

Also, why is 'that wisdom', of yours, so slow when it comes to reminding 'you' to not interact with 'me'.
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:55 am Talk to your hand, maybe it'll respond to you better than I ever can.
Why is it only when 'I' just point out things like the obvious fact that the word, 'you', implies 'another', which 'you' claim does not exist, 'your wisdom' only then just, coincidentally, 'kicks in' that your interaction, with 'me', muddies your crystal clear 'waters', or views?

And, it is only in 'those situations' when you decide to not interact with me.
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 8:43 am
Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:50 am
LOL So, the very thing, which is known as, 'the sun', does not exist until 'you', the one, here, known as "fairy", says there is, correct?
That's not what I said. I never said the sun doesn't exist. I said the sun is unaware of it's existence as a concept known by the mind that conceives the object as a conceptualisation, ie: as a sun..
Where, exactly, did you supposedly say 'this'?

What I heard you say, and see you write, is, 'There is no sun until you say there is.'

How can you, here, say you never said the sun does not exist, when you clearly stated, 'There is no sun until ...'?

In fact you very clearly said, 'There is no sun until you say there is'. which is why I asked you, in another way, 'Why do you believe that the sun does not exist until you say there is?'
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 8:43 am Stop making assumptions, they are the mother of all fuck ups.
Why do you assume and believe that 'assumptions' are the so-called 'mother of all fuck ups'?

Have you not yet recognized and seen the damage done by beliefs, themselves'?
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 8:45 am
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:55 am
Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:50 am

LOL So, the very thing, which is known as, 'the sun', does not exist until 'you', the one, here, known as "fairy", says there is, correct?


But, absolutely every thing has already been named.

And, if you really do believe that absolutely nothing exists until a species with the ability to name things 'comes along', then are you sure of this?


And, once again, 'I' will point out to 'you' that the very word, 'you', implies 'another'. Which 'you' say and claim there is none.
Not interested in responding, because wisdom always informs me that interaction with you just clearly muddies my crystal clear waters.
Have you ever wondered why what is 'crystal clear', to you, is not, to others?

Also, why is 'that wisdom', of yours, so slow when it comes to reminding 'you' to not interact with 'me'.
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:55 am Talk to your hand, maybe it'll respond to you better than I ever can.
Why is it only when 'I' just point out things like the obvious fact that the word, 'you', implies 'another', which 'you' claim does not exist, 'your wisdom' only then just, coincidentally, 'kicks in' that your interaction, with 'me', muddies your crystal clear 'waters', or views?

And, it is only in 'those situations' when you decide to not interact with me.
I interact only with myself, me, myself, and I, and other. I only resonate with what feels right here. I'm simply not interested in what doesn't feel right here. What feels right, I will agree with, there's nothing more simple than that, I do not need to listen to complexity, I am very simple minded.
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 8:52 am
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 8:43 am
Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:50 am
LOL So, the very thing, which is known as, 'the sun', does not exist until 'you', the one, here, known as "fairy", says there is, correct?
That's not what I said. I never said the sun doesn't exist. I said the sun is unaware of it's existence as a concept known by the mind that conceives the object as a conceptualisation, ie: as a sun..
Where, exactly, did you supposedly say 'this'?

What I heard you say, and see you write, is, 'There is no sun until you say there is.'

How can you, here, say you never said the sun does not exist, when you clearly stated, 'There is no sun until ...'?

In fact you very clearly said, 'There is no sun until you say there is'. which is why I asked you, in another way, 'Why do you believe that the sun does not exist until you say there is?'
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 8:43 am Stop making assumptions, they are the mother of all fuck ups.
Why do you assume and believe that 'assumptions' are the so-called 'mother of all fuck ups'?

Have you not yet recognized and seen the damage done by beliefs, themselves'?
The sun first has to exist before it can be conceived of, conceptualised. Prior to the suns label, the sun just exists without knowing.

I'm not going to explain that to you again in any other way, if you don't understand what I've said, then tough, I don't care.
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Age wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:50 am
And, once again, 'I' will point out to 'you' that the very word, 'you', implies 'another'. Which 'you' say and claim there is none.
And once again there is no you because there is no other than you.

Stop claiming, and blaming, it's not the way, believe me, it's just not the way. The unborn tao is the way.
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2025 11:16 pm
"I" is a distinction, a concept.
Yes, I concur.

The I is a distinction in this inconceivable conception.
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2025 11:17 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2025 8:25 pm By no effort of logic or imagination can you change the ‘I am’ into ‘I am not’. In the very denial of your being you assert it.
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
We are defined by what we are not. "I am not "x"" is coherent.
Yes, and we are never not. We are an infinite loop looping and twisting upon itself, and then untwisting the twist via infinite thought looping.
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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popeye1945 wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 4:06 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 4:01 am
popeye1945 wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 3:39 am

An animal imprints upon the first living object it contacts at birth as its mother; this is not knowing what you are.
It may imprint upon the mother but it defines that mother by what the mother is not. Identity is a process of negation in many respects.
A newborn is need and imprints on any living thing it first contacts. It doesn't know what it is.
The mother is it's reflection only, and is how the baby comes to know itself as and through it's capacity to project an object to appear outside of it.

This reflective process is a self sustaining feedback loop of looker and looked upon being the same identical identity. One with itself, and not even with. Inside / Outside where is that?
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 4:08 am
popeye1945 wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 4:06 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 4:01 am

It may imprint upon the mother but it defines that mother by what the mother is not. Identity is a process of negation in many respects.
A newborn is need and imprints on any living thing it first contacts. It doesn't know what it is.
Identity is but a snake that sheds many skins, the newborn is always present regardless of the age of the individual, by self reflection a man or woman becomes sustained by meaning.
Beautifully said. 👍
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Re: YOU ARE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL!

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Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 9:12 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2025 11:17 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2025 8:25 pm By no effort of logic or imagination can you change the ‘I am’ into ‘I am not’. In the very denial of your being you assert it.
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
We are defined by what we are not. "I am not "x"" is coherent.
Yes, and we are never not. We are an infinite loop looping and twisting upon itself, and then untwisting the twist via infinite thought looping.
The variation between one loop and another, ie one symbol and another, points to a relative absence. We are the absence in ourselves and the absence of said absence in these regards.
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