Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?

[popeye1945]

I think it is a mistake to refer to the Gaza Crisis, the Ukraine Crisis, and the Iran Crisis; we compartmentalize as if they were not part of a greater whole. The whole conflict is between the maintenance of empire and Western colonialism versus the rising call for a multipolar world not dominated by the American empire and supported by all the countries that have been colonizers of mostly weaker nations in the Eastern hemisphere for hundreds of years. The aggressors in this global conflict are the old world of manifest destiny or Western colonialism. America has been the most violent country in the world since 1950, and began inheriting the powers of the British Empire just after the First World War. The British realized at that time that they could no longer get their way in the world; they needed the Americans. The West stands in the way of the global evolution of cooperating nations and is frightened of fair trade and equality among nations. Is the West morally wrong? I would say so, it has been morally wrong for hundreds of years unless one believes that the violent past of colonization is to be termed moral.

Go back to your grass hut then, woke wanker hypocrite.

LOL!! You must be an American. Thank you for your thoughtful analysis of the current global crisis.

[Belinda]

I think it is a mistake to refer to the Gaza Crisis, the Ukraine Crisis, and the Iran Crisis; we compartmentalize as if they were not part of a greater whole. The whole conflict is between the maintenance of empire and Western colonialism versus the rising call for a multipolar world not dominated by the American empire and supported by all the countries that have been colonizers of mostly weaker nations in the Eastern hemisphere for hundreds of years. The aggressors in this global conflict are the old world of manifest destiny or Western colonialism. America has been the most violent country in the world since 1950, and began inheriting the powers of the British Empire just after the First World War. The British realized at that time that they could no longer get their way in the world; they needed the Americans. The West stands in the way of the global evolution of cooperating nations and is frightened of fair trade and equality among nations. Is the West morally wrong? I would say so, it has been morally wrong for hundreds of years unless one believes that the violent past of colonization is to be termed moral.

Each of those crises involves inescapably immoral options. There is no moral option but there may be a least bad option.

The least bad option is a greater measure of distributive justice in the form of one, welfare socialism and two, stronger restrictions on who owns wealth.

[accelafine]

What is the entity known as 'The West' anyway?

Apparently it's:

Key characteristics
Cultural Heritage: Primarily rooted in the legacies of Ancient Greece and Rome, later heavily influenced by Western Christianity, and refined by movements like the Renaissance, Reformation, and the Enlightenment.
Political Systems: Associated with liberal democracy, individualism, and the rule of law.
Economic Structures: Often tied to capitalism and free-market economies.
Social and Philosophical Values: Emphasizes individual liberty, rationalism, scientific inquiry, and human rights.


How awful. Those evil 'Western people'

[popeye1945]

I think it is a mistake to refer to the Gaza Crisis, the Ukraine Crisis, and the Iran Crisis; we compartmentalize as if they were not part of a greater whole. The whole conflict is between the maintenance of empire and Western colonialism versus the rising call for a multipolar world not dominated by the American empire and supported by all the countries that have been colonizers of mostly weaker nations in the Eastern hemisphere for hundreds of years. The aggressors in this global conflict are the old world of manifest destiny or Western colonialism. America has been the most violent country in the world since 1950, and began inheriting the powers of the British Empire just after the First World War. The British realized at that time that they could no longer get their way in the world; they needed the Americans. The West stands in the way of the global evolution of cooperating nations and is frightened of fair trade and equality among nations. Is the West morally wrong? I would say so, it has been morally wrong for hundreds of years unless one believes that the violent past of colonization is to be termed moral.

Each of those crises involves inescapably immoral options. There is no moral option, but there may be a least bad option.

I don't think you're seeing the big picture. Aggression is coming solely from the West. When one wishes to understand the behaviours of an individual or a nation, one needs to ask what they are reacting to. The present is the past, the old world of empire and colonization, and that is what much of the Eastern hemisphere and the federation of the BRICS nations are reacting to. The historical tradition of violent empire and colonization needs to be brought to an end. America's endless wars with Europe's support create half of a whole; the other half is resistance. Empire and colonization have always been immoral. Each of the said crises is just part of the whole struggle/reaction against the world dominance of empire and colonization.

[Belinda]

I think it is a mistake to refer to the Gaza Crisis, the Ukraine Crisis, and the Iran Crisis; we compartmentalize as if they were not part of a greater whole. The whole conflict is between the maintenance of empire and Western colonialism versus the rising call for a multipolar world not dominated by the American empire and supported by all the countries that have been colonizers of mostly weaker nations in the Eastern hemisphere for hundreds of years. The aggressors in this global conflict are the old world of manifest destiny or Western colonialism. America has been the most violent country in the world since 1950, and began inheriting the powers of the British Empire just after the First World War. The British realized at that time that they could no longer get their way in the world; they needed the Americans. The West stands in the way of the global evolution of cooperating nations and is frightened of fair trade and equality among nations. Is the West morally wrong? I would say so, it has been morally wrong for hundreds of years unless one believes that the violent past of colonization is to be termed moral.

Each of those crises involves inescapably immoral options. There is no moral option, but there may be a least bad option.

I don't think you're seeing the big picture. Aggression is coming solely from the West. When one wishes to understand the behaviours of an individual or a nation, one needs to ask what they are reacting to. The present is the past, the old world of empire and colonization, and that is what much of the Eastern hemisphere and the federation of the BRICS nations are reacting to. The historical tradition of violent empire and colonization needs to be brought to an end. America's endless wars with Europe's support create half of a whole; the other half is resistance. Empire and colonization have always been immoral. Each of the said crises is just part of the whole struggle/reaction against the world dominance of empire and colonization.

Yes, but how far back do you want to go? The British Empire? The Spanish Empire? The Ottoman Empire? The Roman Empire?

Present cultures are products partly of political history. Only partly , as climate and terrain i.e. geography are circumstantial causes of present cultures.

Economic ideology such as capitalism is a more precise locus for your blame, as empire building has always been for the purpose of economic power including when dressed up as patriotism, Zionism, or God's will.

[popeye1945]

Each of those crises involves inescapably immoral options. There is no moral option, but there may be a least bad option.

I don't think you're seeing the big picture. Aggression is coming solely from the West. When one wishes to understand the behaviours of an individual or a nation, one needs to ask what they are reacting to. The present is the past, the old world of empire and colonization, and that is what much of the Eastern hemisphere and the federation of the BRICS nations are reacting to. The historical tradition of violent empire and colonization needs to be brought to an end. America's endless wars with Europe's support create half of a whole; the other half is resistance. Empire and colonization have always been immoral. Each of the said crises is just part of the whole struggle/reaction against the world dominance of empire and colonization.

Yes, but how far back do you want to go? The British Empire? The Spanish Empire? The Ottoman Empire? The Roman Empire?

What makes you think we must go back? I quote, I know not who, "History is the nightmare from which I am trying to awaken." There must be global social evolution if we are to survive as a species. The old ideologies and mythologies/religions must be left behind, taking perhaps what is best about them and leaving the rest behind. Humanity has always taken the path of least resistance, and that has led to an ever-turbulent world. We must rise above that level of consciousness.

[Belinda]

I don't think you're seeing the big picture. Aggression is coming solely from the West. When one wishes to understand the behaviours of an individual or a nation, one needs to ask what they are reacting to. The present is the past, the old world of empire and colonization, and that is what much of the Eastern hemisphere and the federation of the BRICS nations are reacting to. The historical tradition of violent empire and colonization needs to be brought to an end. America's endless wars with Europe's support create half of a whole; the other half is resistance. Empire and colonization have always been immoral. Each of the said crises is just part of the whole struggle/reaction against the world dominance of empire and colonization.

Yes, but how far back do you want to go? The British Empire? The Spanish Empire? The Ottoman Empire? The Roman Empire?

What makes you think we must go back? I quote, I know not who, "History is the nightmare from which I am trying to awaken." There must be global social evolution if we are to survive as a species. The old ideologies and mythologies/religions must be left behind, taking perhaps what is best about them and leaving the rest behind.

I don't "think we must go back" ! It was you who wrote "When one wishes to understand the behaviours of an individual or a nation, one needs to ask what they are reacting to." Rational people don't react they reflect.

[popeye1945]

Yes, but how far back do you want to go? The British Empire? The Spanish Empire? The Ottoman Empire? The Roman Empire?

What makes you think we must go back? I quote, I know not who, "History is the nightmare from which I am trying to awaken." There must be global social evolution if we are to survive as a species. The old ideologies and mythologies/religions must be left behind, taking perhaps what is best about them and leaving the rest behind.

I don't "think we must go back" ! It was you who wrote "When one wishes to understand the behaviours of an individual or a nation, one needs to ask what they are reacting to." Rational people don't react, they reflect.

I am sorry if I gave the idea that reaction was necessarily mindless. There is one thing no creature can do, and that is to not to react to its environment; that is to be a part of the world. Rationality is desired but not always present; reaction is always present, whether rational or not. Reaction can be devoid of morality. In the case of empire and violent colonization, it is both of these in the embrace of the path of least resistance.

[accelafine]

Each of those crises involves inescapably immoral options. There is no moral option, but there may be a least bad option.

I don't think you're seeing the big picture. Aggression is coming solely from the West. When one wishes to understand the behaviours of an individual or a nation, one needs to ask what they are reacting to. The present is the past, the old world of empire and colonization, and that is what much of the Eastern hemisphere and the federation of the BRICS nations are reacting to. The historical tradition of violent empire and colonization needs to be brought to an end. America's endless wars with Europe's support create half of a whole; the other half is resistance. Empire and colonization have always been immoral. Each of the said crises is just part of the whole struggle/reaction against the world dominance of empire and colonization.

Yes, but how far back do you want to go? The British Empire? The Spanish Empire? The Ottoman Empire? The Roman Empire?

Present cultures are products partly of political history. Only partly , as climate and terrain i.e. geography are circumstantial causes of present cultures.

Economic ideology such as capitalism is a more precise locus for your blame, as empire building has always been for the purpose of economic power including when dressed up as patriotism, Zionism, or God's will.

He would like to go back to the time of 'noble savages', when people spent all the time tip-toeing through soft mists, making poetry and never killing anything or anyone.

[accelafine]

I think it is a mistake to refer to the Gaza Crisis, the Ukraine Crisis, and the Iran Crisis; we compartmentalize as if they were not part of a greater whole. The whole conflict is between the maintenance of empire and Western colonialism versus the rising call for a multipolar world not dominated by the American empire and supported by all the countries that have been colonizers of mostly weaker nations in the Eastern hemisphere for hundreds of years. The aggressors in this global conflict are the old world of manifest destiny or Western colonialism. America has been the most violent country in the world since 1950, and began inheriting the powers of the British Empire just after the First World War. The British realized at that time that they could no longer get their way in the world; they needed the Americans. The West stands in the way of the global evolution of cooperating nations and is frightened of fair trade and equality among nations. Is the West morally wrong? I would say so, it has been morally wrong for hundreds of years unless one believes that the violent past of colonization is to be termed moral.

Each of those crises involves inescapably immoral options. There is no moral option, but there may be a least bad option.

I don't think you're seeing the big picture. Aggression is coming solely from the West. When one wishes to understand the behaviours of an individual or a nation, one needs to ask what they are reacting to. The present is the past, the old world of empire and colonization, and that is what much of the Eastern hemisphere and the federation of the BRICS nations are reacting to. The historical tradition of violent empire and colonization needs to be brought to an end. America's endless wars with Europe's support create half of a whole; the other half is resistance. Empire and colonization have always been immoral. Each of the said crises is just part of the whole struggle/reaction against the world dominance of empire and colonization.

You are such a tosser. How do you think there came to be humans on every inch of ground on the planet?

[accelafine]

Too stupid to even bother trying to argue with it. Wokies are truly the most detestable creatures on the planet. If that's what 'the West' has ended up with then perhaps a return to the caves is in order after all...

[popeye1945]

Too stupid to even bother trying to argue with it. Wokies are truly the most detestable creatures on the planet. If that's what 'the West' has ended up with then perhaps a return to the caves is in order after all...

DUH! You're on my ignore list, put me on yours, please!

[accelafine]

Too stupid to even bother trying to argue with it. Wokies are truly the most detestable creatures on the planet. If that's what 'the West' has ended up with then perhaps a return to the caves is in order after all...

DUH! You're on my ignore list, put me on yours, please!

I don't take orders from you or anyone else. So you are against immigration then. What a foul racist you are.

[Belinda]

What makes you think we must go back? I quote, I know not who, "History is the nightmare from which I am trying to awaken." There must be global social evolution if we are to survive as a species. The old ideologies and mythologies/religions must be left behind, taking perhaps what is best about them and leaving the rest behind.

I don't "think we must go back" ! It was you who wrote "When one wishes to understand the behaviours of an individual or a nation, one needs to ask what they are reacting to." Rational people don't react, they reflect.

I am sorry if I gave the idea that reaction was necessarily mindless. There is one thing no creature can do, and that is to not to react to its environment; that is to be a part of the world. Rationality is desired but not always present; reaction is always present, whether rational or not. Reaction can be devoid of morality. In the case of empire and violent colonization, it is both of these in the embrace of the path of least resistance.

Thanks for the clarification, Popeye. I understand you used 'react' in the general sense of cause and effect. I took 'react' to refer to the psychological style that is opposed to 'reflect'.

[Belinda]

Too stupid to even bother trying to argue with it. Wokies are truly the most detestable creatures on the planet. If that's what 'the West' has ended up with then perhaps a return to the caves is in order after all...

DUH! You're on my ignore list, put me on yours, please!

Accelafine nails her colours to the mast.

So henceforth do I .

Belinda wokey Accelafine sleepy