Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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socrattus wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:42 am
Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:15 am You’re a thought.

What is a thought but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative.
Thoughts in the brain computer are mixed with real and abstract topics.
Maybe that is why my life is an illusion (Maya according to Vedanta)
Yes,identification with thought, is likened to a dream. The dream of separation, the illusory nature of reality. (Maya)
Advaita Vedanta is the end of knowledge, the return to innocence.
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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Fairy wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:13 pm Yes,identification with thought, is likened to a dream. The dream of separation, the illusory nature of reality. (Maya)
Advaita Vedanta is the end of knowledge, the return to innocence.
“The stream of knowledge is heading towards a non-mechanical reality;
the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a machine.
Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter...
we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter.” /James Jeans/
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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socrattus wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:27 pm
Age wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:18 pm As 'Life' is an already irrefutably proved Thing.
What is the source of this irrefutably proven essence of Life?
The 'I' knowing, or the One aware of, existing thoughts.

The One, 'I', must be alive, or living, to be aware, and/or conscious.

Thus, 'Life' exists.
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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Fairy wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:08 pm
Age wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:28 am
Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:15 am You’re a thought.

What is a thought but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative.
Again, 'the thoughts', within 'that body', are believed to be absolutely true, by no one else but 'the one' known as "fairy", here.

Unless, of course, there is 'another one' who would also like to claim that a 'thought' is nothing but 'the addiction' to an 'illusory fabricated narrative'.

Which is obviously blatantly False, and Wrong.
Again, communication with you is like trying to eat soup with chopsticks.
Okay, but who cares?

What 'you' claimed above, here, is obviously False, and therefore Untrue. As is proved True by the Fact that no one else agrees with 'you', let alone every one agreeing with 'you'.
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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socrattus wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:31 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:13 pm Yes,identification with thought, is likened to a dream. The dream of separation, the illusory nature of reality. (Maya)
Advaita Vedanta is the end of knowledge, the return to innocence.
“The stream of knowledge is heading towards a non-mechanical reality;
the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a machine.
Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter...
we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter.” /James Jeans/
Aye, 👍

Like an infinite multifaceted castle in the air.
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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Age wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:22 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:08 pm
Age wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:28 am

Again, 'the thoughts', within 'that body', are believed to be absolutely true, by no one else but 'the one' known as "fairy", here.

Unless, of course, there is 'another one' who would also like to claim that a 'thought' is nothing but 'the addiction' to an 'illusory fabricated narrative'.

Which is obviously blatantly False, and Wrong.
Again, communication with you is like trying to eat soup with chopsticks.
Okay, but who cares?

What 'you' claimed above, here, is obviously False, and therefore Untrue. As is proved True by the Fact that no one else agrees with 'you', let alone every one agreeing with 'you'.
Try reading the room. You might cotton candy on a bit better.
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:00 am
Age wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:22 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:08 pm

Again, communication with you is like trying to eat soup with chopsticks.
Okay, but who cares?

What 'you' claimed above, here, is obviously False, and therefore Untrue. As is proved True by the Fact that no one else agrees with 'you', let alone every one agreeing with 'you'.
Try reading the room. You might cotton candy on a bit better.
Are you suggesting, or saying, and claiming that there is another human being who agrees with 'you' that, 'A 'thought' is nothing but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative'?

'We', patiently, wait for your answer, and clarification, here.
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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Age wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:03 am
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:00 am
Age wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:22 pm

Okay, but who cares?

What 'you' claimed above, here, is obviously False, and therefore Untrue. As is proved True by the Fact that no one else agrees with 'you', let alone every one agreeing with 'you'.
Try reading the room. You might cotton candy on a bit better.
Are you suggesting, or saying, and claiming that there is another human being who agrees with 'you' that, 'A 'thought' is nothing but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative'?

'We', patiently, wait for your answer, and clarification, here.
I’m saying what I’m saying. I’m not suggesting anyone ought to agree with what I’m saying.

I don’t care if people agree or disagree with what I’m saying. I’m saying what I’m saying because it’s my truth. That’s why I say what I say. Readers can do whatever they like with what they read, it’s not going to change what I’m saying.
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:48 pm
Age wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:03 am
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:00 am
Try reading the room. You might cotton candy on a bit better.
Are you suggesting, or saying, and claiming that there is another human being who agrees with 'you' that, 'A 'thought' is nothing but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative'?

'We', patiently, wait for your answer, and clarification, here.
I’m saying what I’m saying. I’m not suggesting anyone ought to agree with what I’m saying.

I don’t care if people agree or disagree with what I’m saying.
Once again 'this one' deflects and deceives.

I just asked you a question for clarification. Why do you not just answer, and clarify?

What is 'it' you are saying above, here?

Are you saying that there is another human being who agrees with you that each and every thought is nothing but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative, or not?
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:48 pm I’m saying what I’m saying because it’s my truth.
And, some of "fairy's" own personal truths obviously do not align with what the actual and irrefutable Truth is, exactly.

As has been, and can again, be proved absolutely True.
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:48 pm That’s why I say what I say.
Yes 'we' know you are saying what you believe is true, also known as, 'your truth'.

While I am just pointing out and showing how, and why, some of 'your truths' are actual Falsehoods.
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:48 pm Readers can do whatever they like with what they read, it’s not going to change what I’m saying.
Okay.

And, I will keep pointing out 'your truths', which are actually False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect.
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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Age wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:56 pm
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:48 pm
Age wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:03 am

Are you suggesting, or saying, and claiming that there is another human being who agrees with 'you' that, 'A 'thought' is nothing but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative'?

'We', patiently, wait for your answer, and clarification, here.
I’m saying what I’m saying. I’m not suggesting anyone ought to agree with what I’m saying.

I don’t care if people agree or disagree with what I’m saying.
Once again 'this one' deflects and deceives.

I just asked you a question for clarification. Why do you not just answer, and clarify?

What is 'it' you are saying above, here?

Are you saying that there is another human being who agrees with you that each and every thought is nothing but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative, or not?
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:48 pm I’m saying what I’m saying because it’s my truth.
And, some of "fairy's" own personal truths obviously do not align with what the actual and irrefutable Truth is, exactly.

As has been, and can again, be proved absolutely True.
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:48 pm That’s why I say what I say.
Yes 'we' know you are saying what you believe is true, also known as, 'your truth'.

While I am just pointing out and showing how, and why, some of 'your truths' are actual Falsehoods.
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:48 pm Readers can do whatever they like with what they read, it’s not going to change what I’m saying.
Okay.

And, I will keep pointing out 'your truths', which are actually False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect.
I don’t agree.👍
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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“Okay.

And, I will keep pointing out 'your truths', which are actually False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect.”

Ok, whatever floats your boat, but your continuation will fall on deaf ears.
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:58 pm
Age wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:56 pm
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:48 pm
I’m saying what I’m saying. I’m not suggesting anyone ought to agree with what I’m saying.

I don’t care if people agree or disagree with what I’m saying.
Once again 'this one' deflects and deceives.

I just asked you a question for clarification. Why do you not just answer, and clarify?

What is 'it' you are saying above, here?

Are you saying that there is another human being who agrees with you that each and every thought is nothing but the addiction to an illusory fabricated narrative, or not?
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:48 pm I’m saying what I’m saying because it’s my truth.
And, some of "fairy's" own personal truths obviously do not align with what the actual and irrefutable Truth is, exactly.

As has been, and can again, be proved absolutely True.
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:48 pm That’s why I say what I say.
Yes 'we' know you are saying what you believe is true, also known as, 'your truth'.

While I am just pointing out and showing how, and why, some of 'your truths' are actual Falsehoods.
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:48 pm Readers can do whatever they like with what they read, it’s not going to change what I’m saying.
Okay.

And, I will keep pointing out 'your truths', which are actually False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect.
I don’t agree.👍
And, as you keep proving absolutely True, there is no use in asking you for clarity, here. you are just not yet capable of doing so, here.
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:00 pm “Okay.

And, I will keep pointing out 'your truths', which are actually False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect.”

Ok, whatever floats your boat, but your continuation will fall on deaf ears.
'you', 'the one' known as "fairy", are not the 'only one' reading, and listening, here.
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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Age wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:08 pm
Fairy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:00 pm “Okay.

And, I will keep pointing out 'your truths', which are actually False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect.”

Ok, whatever floats your boat, but your continuation will fall on deaf ears.
'you', 'the one' known as "fairy", are not the 'only one' reading, and listening, here.
I say what I say. I cannot clarify any more than what I say in the moment.

Take it or leave it, I don’t care.
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Re: Descartes: "I Think Therefore I Am"

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"I Think Therefore I Am"

She thought, therefore he was.
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