Dear God:

How should society be organised, if at all?

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Walker
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Re: Dear God:

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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:57 am
Atla wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:54 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:50 am

That's true. Maybe I should revise it to "please bring goodwill to all." \_('_')_/
That also doesn't work. You can't bring goodwill to a large percentage of current humans ("all") because that can't be made consistent with their nature. You need a deeper intervention, word your prayers more accurately. :)
If there is a God, and God is omnipotent, then God could bring goodwill to as large a percentage of humans as necessary to bring peace, if not all.
If God could only possess the Wisdom of Gary, everything would be just ducky.

*

Sensitivity is an element of Human nature.
In a predatory universe, sensitivity is mocked as a weakness.
In a predatory universe, mockery is a weapon.

*

An innocent, idealistic teen is heading towards a psychotic break, because she has realized the predatory nature of the universe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWbd8uOsbBE

In Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged, the Alpha Female heroine realizes the workings of predation in society. The world will corrupt one’s best if one seeks refuge in the world, so she doesn't and the world breaks.
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Re: Dear God:

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... or would you say that every transmission of one's own existence is an implied gift?
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Re: Dear God:

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Atla wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:35 am See God didn't commit suicide, God just replied to my comment. Although I wish it didn't.
That's called an answer to your prayers.
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Re: Dear God:

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Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:50 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:57 am
Atla wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:54 am
That also doesn't work. You can't bring goodwill to a large percentage of current humans ("all") because that can't be made consistent with their nature. You need a deeper intervention, word your prayers more accurately. :)
If there is a God, and God is omnipotent, then God could bring goodwill to as large a percentage of humans as necessary to bring peace, if not all.
But you human beings are infused with the ability to choose whatever you want to do, for a very good reason, so do not expect any thing to come along and rescue you.

If you cause wars, (pollution or no good), then you were completely free to do so. But, expect the consequences of your, chosen, mis/behaviors.

No thing is going to come along and help and/or rescue you people. Only you can help "yourselves".
Are we really able to choose whatever we want to do? Most people probably don't want war. However, our leaders make those choices for us. And we may end up getting killed as a consequence.
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Re: Dear God:

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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:38 am
accelafine wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:33 am:lol:
Well, I don't see much to laugh about. A God may be the only being that can save us at this point. I just hope there's one that cares about us humans.
Of course there is! His name is Cheeze-us. Relax! Nothin to worry about! Do like Trump. Eat more cheese-burgers as an act of holy communion, proving your faith in a preserving god who will not allow his stupid creation to create the conditions of their own demise. :twisted:
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Re: Dear God:

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Walker wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:32 am
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:45 am And so what is the actual 'nature' of 'current humans', exactly?
Human nature yearns to make a perfect moment last forever, which is why folks keep coming back for more.
At the moment I can not think of any examples, so will you provide any examples?

If no, then why not?
Walker wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:32 am Dear God:

Would you say that every transmission of one’s own existence is an inferred gift to The Hierarchy of Lords all the way up the chain to God at the top …

… or is every transmission of one’s own existence a petition requesting that a conception of what’s temporary and good, be permanent?
Neither.
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Re: Dear God:

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Atla wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:35 am
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:45 am
Atla wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:54 am
That also doesn't work. You can't bring goodwill to a large percentage of current humans ("all") because that can't be made consistent with their nature.
And so what is the actual 'nature' of 'current humans', exactly?

Not that you will ever answer and clarify.
Atla wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:54 am You need a deeper intervention, word your prayers more accurately. :)
Let 'us' see if you can actually provide a reasonable answer regarding 'human nature', let alone an accurate answer.
See God didn't commit suicide, God just replied to my comment. Although I wish it didn't.
See, once again, 'this one' makes a claim, which it does not back up nor support in any way whatsoever, and this is solely because what it claimed is absolutely False.

'This one' has absolutely no clue nor idea of what 'human nature' is, exactly. Although it obviously tried to pretend and claimed it did. Thus why it wished I did not reply to it and point out and show, again, that it can not support its False claims.
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Re: Dear God:

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Walker wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:06 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:57 am
Atla wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:54 am
That also doesn't work. You can't bring goodwill to a large percentage of current humans ("all") because that can't be made consistent with their nature. You need a deeper intervention, word your prayers more accurately. :)
If there is a God, and God is omnipotent, then God could bring goodwill to as large a percentage of humans as necessary to bring peace, if not all.
If God could only possess the Wisdom of Gary, everything would be just ducky.

*

Sensitivity is an element of Human nature.
In a predatory universe, sensitivity is mocked as a weakness.
In a predatory universe, mockery is a weapon.

*

An innocent, idealistic teen is heading towards a psychotic break, because she has realized the predatory nature of the universe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWbd8uOsbBE

In Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged, the Alpha Female heroine realizes the workings of predation in society. The world will corrupt one’s best if one seeks refuge in the world, so she doesn't and the world breaks.
But considering the view and belief that the Universe is so-called predatory only is False, the above is moot.
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Re: Dear God:

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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:44 pm
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:50 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:57 am

If there is a God, and God is omnipotent, then God could bring goodwill to as large a percentage of humans as necessary to bring peace, if not all.
But you human beings are infused with the ability to choose whatever you want to do, for a very good reason, so do not expect any thing to come along and rescue you.

If you cause wars, (pollution or no good), then you were completely free to do so. But, expect the consequences of your, chosen, mis/behaviors.

No thing is going to come along and help and/or rescue you people. Only you can help "yourselves".
Are we really able to choose whatever we want to do?
As an 'adult' the answer is a resounding, 'Yes'.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:44 pm Most people probably don't want war.
What do you mean by 'probably'?

Can you name one person who does want war?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:44 pm However, our leaders make those choices for us.
And who chose to vote, or allow, so-called "leaders" 'in', exactly?

Also, what kind of useless human being needs or even wants to 'led', exactly?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:44 pm And we may end up getting killed as a consequence.
you speak, here, as though 'you' are not going to so-call 'die' anyway.
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Re: Dear God:

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Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:33 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:44 pm
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:50 am

But you human beings are infused with the ability to choose whatever you want to do, for a very good reason, so do not expect any thing to come along and rescue you.

If you cause wars, (pollution or no good), then you were completely free to do so. But, expect the consequences of your, chosen, mis/behaviors.

No thing is going to come along and help and/or rescue you people. Only you can help "yourselves".
Are we really able to choose whatever we want to do?
As an 'adult' the answer is a resounding, 'Yes'.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:44 pm Most people probably don't want war.
What do you mean by 'probably'?

Can you name one person who does want war?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:44 pm However, our leaders make those choices for us.
And who chose to vote, or allow, so-called "leaders" 'in', exactly?

Also, what kind of useless human being needs or even wants to 'led', exactly?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:44 pm And we may end up getting killed as a consequence.
you speak, here, as though 'you' are not going to so-call 'die' anyway.
The point is, many of us have no say in politics once our leaders are elected. We don't elect them to get us into wars. Wars seem to propagate on their own through processes like we are seeing now. Each side thinks it is in their best interest to retaliate once hostilities start and backing down seems to be perceived as "weakness" or "surrender" and therefore a loss by the one who backs down. Not all of us see things that way, but many people in power seem to and it causes wars to escalate. Do you disagree with my observations above?
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Re: Dear God:

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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:33 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:44 pm

Are we really able to choose whatever we want to do?
As an 'adult' the answer is a resounding, 'Yes'.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:44 pm Most people probably don't want war.
What do you mean by 'probably'?

Can you name one person who does want war?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:44 pm However, our leaders make those choices for us.
And who chose to vote, or allow, so-called "leaders" 'in', exactly?

Also, what kind of useless human being needs or even wants to 'led', exactly?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:44 pm And we may end up getting killed as a consequence.
you speak, here, as though 'you' are not going to so-call 'die' anyway.
The point is, many of us have no say in politics once our leaders are elected.
If you and/or others feel this way, then why elect another, to lead you?

Again, what kind of useless human being even feels that they need to be 'led' anyway?

Let alone then going and even voting one in?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm We don't elect them to get us into wars.
Yet you elect 'the ones' that take you into wars. Could 'these ones' have gotten any more stupider?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm Wars seem to propagate on their own through processes like we are seeing now.
Wars don't seem to propagate in their own at all.

Only you adult human beings propagate each and every war.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm Each side thinks it is in their best interest to retaliate once hostilities start and backing down seems to be perceived as "weakness" or "surrender" and therefore a loss by the one who backs down.
Just expressing what you adults blatantly do is not going to help any thing, here.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm Not all of us see things that way, but many people in power seem to and it causes wars to escalate.
So again,

1. Why do you elect people like 'that' in?

2. Why do you even elect another to 'lead you'?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm Do you disagree with my observations above?
Which ones, exactly, you did express a few?

Some yes, and, some no.

Now, why did you not answer and clarify the questions I asked you for clarification?

See, you did answer and clarify, openly and honestly, then you will be closer to obtaining the answers, which you are seeking, here.
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Re: Dear God:

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Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:22 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:35 am
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:45 am

And so what is the actual 'nature' of 'current humans', exactly?

Not that you will ever answer and clarify.


Let 'us' see if you can actually provide a reasonable answer regarding 'human nature', let alone an accurate answer.
See God didn't commit suicide, God just replied to my comment. Although I wish it didn't.
See, once again, 'this one' makes a claim, which it does not back up nor support in any way whatsoever, and this is solely because what it claimed is absolutely False.

'This one' has absolutely no clue nor idea of what 'human nature' is, exactly. Although it obviously tried to pretend and claimed it did. Thus why it wished I did not reply to it and point out and show, again, that it can not support its False claims.
This God sure isn't omniscient though. Probably knows and understands less than a 4th grader.
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Re: Dear God:

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Atla wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:48 pm
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:22 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:35 am
See God didn't commit suicide, God just replied to my comment. Although I wish it didn't.
See, once again, 'this one' makes a claim, which it does not back up nor support in any way whatsoever, and this is solely because what it claimed is absolutely False.

'This one' has absolutely no clue nor idea of what 'human nature' is, exactly. Although it obviously tried to pretend and claimed it did. Thus why it wished I did not reply to it and point out and show, again, that it can not support its False claims.
This God sure isn't omniscient though. Probably knows and understands less than a 4th grader.
And, 'this one' will 'try' any thing to deflect away from its its obvious False belief and claim, here. Which let us not forget it has not been able to back up nor support in any way nor form, at all.

Also, 'this one' has now made another False claim, here, which it could not back up nor support, at all, as well. And, at least I do not go around pretending I know what 'human nature' is.

I actually do know, and actually can back up and provide support for.
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Re: Dear God:

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Re: Dear God:

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Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:06 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:48 pm
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:22 pm

See, once again, 'this one' makes a claim, which it does not back up nor support in any way whatsoever, and this is solely because what it claimed is absolutely False.

'This one' has absolutely no clue nor idea of what 'human nature' is, exactly. Although it obviously tried to pretend and claimed it did. Thus why it wished I did not reply to it and point out and show, again, that it can not support its False claims.
This God sure isn't omniscient though. Probably knows and understands less than a 4th grader.
And, 'this one' will 'try' any thing to deflect away from its its obvious False belief and claim, here. Which let us not forget it has not been able to back up nor support in any way nor form, at all.

Alos 'this one' has made another False claim, here, which it could not back up nor support, at all, also. And, at least I do not go around pretending I know what 'human nature' is.

I actually do know, and actually can back up and provide support for.
No you don't. Just about everyone here already knows that you know less than a 4th grader so who are you trying to fool, God?
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