new pope

[godelian]

Once more 'this one' has 'missed the point', completely, and continually 'looking to' 'monetary wealth' shows and proves just how much 'this one' keeps 'missing the mark', here.

The Vatican apparently has serious financial shortages, as well as major difficulties stamping out corruption and fraud:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/9 ... o-clean-up

The Vatican’s messy finances: Will Pope Leo XIV be able to clean up?

The late Pope Francis sought to battle corruption, but his successor faces the even harder task of balancing the books.

The Vatican’s finances are indeed in a mess and, while Pope Francis made some headway into the thorny issue of stamping out corruption, he did not manage to eliminate the Vatican’s financial deficits. Clearing up the Vatican’s messy finances, therefore, is likely to be a major task ahead for Pope Leo who, helpfully, has a degree in maths.

Instead, most Vatican revenues come from its vast Italian real estate holdings and pontifical schools or hospitals in Rome. Together, these generated 65 percent of the Holy See’s 770 million euros ($875m) in revenue in 2022, the latest figure available.

In 2019, Francis spearheaded an anticorruption drive that involved a police raid on the Vatican’s own bureaucracy and resulted in the Secretariat of State being stripped of its investment responsibilities.

In addition to the suspension of five Vatican staff members, the investigation led to the conviction of Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu, once a powerful figure, on multiple counts of embezzlement and fraud.

I would solve any financial deficit by issuing a meme coin, HOLY MOLY LEO, and then do a rug pull on the Catholic peasants who have invested in it. The papacy has always and will always solve its financial shortages by extracting more money from the Catholic peasants who are supposed to provide the Holy Apostolic Church with their tithes.

[Age]

Once more 'this one' has 'missed the point', completely, and continually 'looking to' 'monetary wealth' shows and proves just how much 'this one' keeps 'missing the mark', here.

The Vatican apparently has serious financial shortages, as well as major difficulties stamping out corruption and fraud:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/9 ... o-clean-up

The Vatican’s messy finances: Will Pope Leo XIV be able to clean up?

The late Pope Francis sought to battle corruption, but his successor faces the even harder task of balancing the books.

The Vatican’s finances are indeed in a mess and, while Pope Francis made some headway into the thorny issue of stamping out corruption, he did not manage to eliminate the Vatican’s financial deficits. Clearing up the Vatican’s messy finances, therefore, is likely to be a major task ahead for Pope Leo who, helpfully, has a degree in maths.

Instead, most Vatican revenues come from its vast Italian real estate holdings and pontifical schools or hospitals in Rome. Together, these generated 65 percent of the Holy See’s 770 million euros ($875m) in revenue in 2022, the latest figure available.

In 2019, Francis spearheaded an anticorruption drive that involved a police raid on the Vatican’s own bureaucracy and resulted in the Secretariat of State being stripped of its investment responsibilities.

In addition to the suspension of five Vatican staff members, the investigation led to the conviction of Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu, once a powerful figure, on multiple counts of embezzlement and fraud.

I would solve any financial deficit by issuing a meme coin, HOLY MOLY LEO, and then do a rug pull on the Catholic peasants who have invested in it. The papacy has always and will always solve its financial shortages by extracting more money from the Catholic peasants who are supposed to provide the Holy Apostolic Church with their tithes.

Another prime example of 'missing the mark'.

[godelian]

Another prime example of 'missing the mark'.

You seem to think that money does not matter, probably because you are naive as hell. I actually have no problem with people being utmost naive. What I do have a problem with, is that these people somehow believe that other people should think like them. We will absolutely never think like you, and that is exactly why we have all the money.

[Age]

Another prime example of 'missing the mark'.

You seem to think that money does not matter, probably because you are naive as hell. I actually have no problem with people being utmost naive. What I do have a problem with, is that these people somehow believe that other people should think like them. We will absolutely never think like you, and that is exactly why we have all the money.

Since your first assumption, here, is absolutely Wrong, everything else you said and wrote, after, is moot.

[Age]

Look, 'the reason' you, "godelian", call the "pope", 'the representative of God, on earth', is because you, firmly, believe that the "pope" is the, fake, representative of God, on earth. As it was 'you' who gave and told 'us' 'this reason'.

you also believe and/or claim that 'that human being' is 'now' infallible, omniscient, and thus knows every thing without fail. I, however, am not interested in finding out 'the reason' you believe and/or claim 'these things'.

[godelian]

Look, 'the reason' you, "godelian", call the "pope", 'the representative of God, on earth', is because you, firmly, believe that the "pope" is the, fake, representative of God, on earth. As it was 'you' who gave and told 'us' 'this reason'.

you also believe and/or claim that 'that human being' is 'now' infallible, omniscient, and thus knows every thing without fail. I, however, am not interested in finding out 'the reason' you believe and/or claim 'these things'.

Yes, I believe that he has the mythical power of meme and that the financial wherewithal of the HOLY MOLY LEO coin will be unrivaled. I propose to use it to extract tithes from Catholic villeins everywhere. Let them toil the land and bring its fruits to their pontifical master, the bishop of Rome.

[henry quirk]

As a seal-in-training I await my treat!

You inkl'd quite well.

You may have three treats from the following selection...



...that's three treats, not four or five.

As to the product of your inkle: I'll get to it later this morning...right now, I'm goin' take a walk.

[Belinda]

Once more 'this one' has 'missed the point', completely, and continually 'looking to' 'monetary wealth' shows and proves just how much 'this one' keeps 'missing the mark', here.

The Vatican apparently has serious financial shortages, as well as major difficulties stamping out corruption and fraud:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/9 ... o-clean-up

The Vatican’s messy finances: Will Pope Leo XIV be able to clean up?

The late Pope Francis sought to battle corruption, but his successor faces the even harder task of balancing the books.

The Vatican’s finances are indeed in a mess and, while Pope Francis made some headway into the thorny issue of stamping out corruption, he did not manage to eliminate the Vatican’s financial deficits. Clearing up the Vatican’s messy finances, therefore, is likely to be a major task ahead for Pope Leo who, helpfully, has a degree in maths.

Instead, most Vatican revenues come from its vast Italian real estate holdings and pontifical schools or hospitals in Rome. Together, these generated 65 percent of the Holy See’s 770 million euros ($875m) in revenue in 2022, the latest figure available.

In 2019, Francis spearheaded an anticorruption drive that involved a police raid on the Vatican’s own bureaucracy and resulted in the Secretariat of State being stripped of its investment responsibilities.

In addition to the suspension of five Vatican staff members, the investigation led to the conviction of Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu, once a powerful figure, on multiple counts of embezzlement and fraud.

I would solve any financial deficit by issuing a meme coin, HOLY MOLY LEO, and then do a rug pull on the Catholic peasants who have invested in it. The papacy has always and will always solve its financial shortages by extracting more money from the Catholic peasants who are supposed to provide the Holy Apostolic Church with their tithes.

Gosh! Godelian, thanks so much for the link to the Al Jazeera story. Al Jazeera is a reliable source.

[godelian]

Gosh! Godelian, thanks so much for the link to the Al Jazeera story. Al Jazeera is a reliable source.

It is not difficult to double-check and verify the facts that they mention in the article. For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Angelo_Becciu

Giovanni Angelo Becciu (Italian: [dʒoˈvanni ˈandʒelo ˈbɛttʃu], Sardinian: [ˈbetʃu]; born 2 June 1948) is a Sardinian Catholic prelate and convicted felon who was prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints from 2018 until his resignation under duress in 2020. Pope Francis had made him a cardinal in 2018. On 24 September 2020, Becciu resigned the rights associated with the cardinalate while retaining the title of cardinal. In July 2021, a Vatican judge ordered Becciu and nine others to stand trial on charges of embezzlement, abuse of office and subornation. On 16 December 2023, the Vatican announced that he had been found guilty and sentenced to five years and six months imprisonment, permanent disqualification from public office, and a fine of €8,000.

https://collegeofcardinalsreport.com/ca ... lo-becciu/

Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu

Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints

Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu is an Italian prelate and former deputy secretary of state at the Vatican who in 2023 was sentenced to several years in prison on embezzlement charges pending the results of an appeal. He is not eligible to take part in the next papal conclave.

Pope Francis made Becciu a cardinal in 2018 and appointed him as Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints. However, in September 2020, Pope Francis accepted Becciu’s resignation from his position and rights as a cardinal amid a financial scandal.

In July 2021, Becciu became the first cardinal to be tried by the Vatican’s criminal court, facing charges of embezzlement, abuse of office, and witness tampering related to a controversial London real estate deal and other financial matters, one involving a charity his brother ran in Sardinia. Throughout the trial, Becciu maintained his innocence.

On December 16, 2023, Becciu was convicted of several counts of embezzlement and sentenced to 5 years and 6 months in prison, fined 8,000 euros, and permanently disqualified from holding public office.

There are no reliable or unreliable sources. These things do not exist. There are only verifiable and unverifiable facts. The internet is plastered with independent reports with which you can corroborate the facts about Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu. In fact, that means that there are two kinds of people. You have the ones who believe information because:

(1) of who says it
(2) they can verify the evidence

Type (1) are the kind of people who buy the OFFICIAL TRUMP meme coin. These people get ripped off, stripped clean, taxed into oblivion, bamboozled, deceived, manipulated, and endlessly abused. These people all have one thing in common. They believe in the fairy tale of "reliable sources". There is nothing that you can do for them, because they were born to be victimized. Don't try to help them, because it won't make any difference. Instead, just grab the popcorn and watch the shit show.

[Belinda]

Gosh! Godelian, thanks so much for the link to the Al Jazeera story. Al Jazeera is a reliable source.

It is not difficult to double-check and verify the facts that they mention in the article. For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Angelo_Becciu

Giovanni Angelo Becciu (Italian: [dʒoˈvanni ˈandʒelo ˈbɛttʃu], Sardinian: [ˈbetʃu]; born 2 June 1948) is a Sardinian Catholic prelate and convicted felon who was prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints from 2018 until his resignation under duress in 2020. Pope Francis had made him a cardinal in 2018. On 24 September 2020, Becciu resigned the rights associated with the cardinalate while retaining the title of cardinal. In July 2021, a Vatican judge ordered Becciu and nine others to stand trial on charges of embezzlement, abuse of office and subornation. On 16 December 2023, the Vatican announced that he had been found guilty and sentenced to five years and six months imprisonment, permanent disqualification from public office, and a fine of €8,000.

https://collegeofcardinalsreport.com/ca ... lo-becciu/

Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu

Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints

Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu is an Italian prelate and former deputy secretary of state at the Vatican who in 2023 was sentenced to several years in prison on embezzlement charges pending the results of an appeal. He is not eligible to take part in the next papal conclave.

Pope Francis made Becciu a cardinal in 2018 and appointed him as Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints. However, in September 2020, Pope Francis accepted Becciu’s resignation from his position and rights as a cardinal amid a financial scandal.

In July 2021, Becciu became the first cardinal to be tried by the Vatican’s criminal court, facing charges of embezzlement, abuse of office, and witness tampering related to a controversial London real estate deal and other financial matters, one involving a charity his brother ran in Sardinia. Throughout the trial, Becciu maintained his innocence.

On December 16, 2023, Becciu was convicted of several counts of embezzlement and sentenced to 5 years and 6 months in prison, fined 8,000 euros, and permanently disqualified from holding public office.

There are no reliable or unreliable sources. These things do not exist. There are only verifiable and unverifiable facts. The internet is plastered with independent reports with which you can corroborate the facts about Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu. In fact, that means that there are two kinds of people. You have the ones who believe information because:

(1) of who says it
(2) they can verify the evidence

Type (1) are the kind of people who buy the OFFICIAL TRUMP meme coin. These people get ripped off, stripped clean, taxed into oblivion, bamboozled, deceived, manipulated, and endlessly abused. These people all have one thing in common. They believe in the fairy tale of "reliable sources". There is nothing that you can do for them, because they were born to be victimized. Don't try to help them, because it won't make any difference. Instead, just grab the popcorn and watch the shit show.

I am happy that you are so rigorous, I wish more people were!
The reason I trust Al-Jazeera is that Netanjahu (who is a wily man) has forbidden Al-Jazeera in Israel.

Sources are not as polarised as you claim. More reliable sources are disinterested sources, or an unwitting source, and those criteria apply to this year as much as to ancient history.

[Alexis Jacobi]

For there to be a Vatican II there had to be a long period where the incongruities between church doctrine and modern sensibilities (almost opposite to what once was) had to manifest, forcing a resolution or compromise. Vatican II was an exercise in keeping itself relevant.

The largest problem with your asserted view — offered by one who is at least not unfriendly to the Catholic Church both in an abstract, ideal sense, and as a tangible institution — is that Vatican ll did not result in net positives on any level for the Church or its ‘mission’.

I will not bore you with details, however the details are there.

“Modern sensibilities” can mean just about anything. So, to actually grasp what Catholic doctrine is, requires a concerted study. It is not easy. What I can report, having done this, is that the internal logic of established doctrine is sound — and I mean at the level of metaphysical logic. True indeed, if ‘modern sensibility’ is understood to mean the will and desire of ‘mass man’, that the requirements of the metaphysical principles will demand too much and become unbearable. And also true that every concession to mass man made by Authority will debase the practices (reflected in modified liturgy) and destroy the possibility of voluntary assent to the metaphysical principles.

Effectively, this is what has happened. You have plainly stated “I have no interest in religion” and I understand. And I think it fair to mention general contempt for Catholicism (an old prejudice which I well understand). The case I am making, however, is not so much my mere opinion, but what Traditionalists argue.

What I can report is that the Tridentine Mass is in essence incomparable to the typical Post-Vatican ll mass. You could draw a comparison like this: the typical Mass of today is like classical music schmaltz in contrast to veritable and respectable musical expressions.

forcing a resolution or compromise

Right there is the beginning of the unraveling. The musical example functions nicely: One either values and protects the sort of training and the adherence to principles through which a great work will come into being; or one relaxes the standards to accommodate ‘modern sensibilities’.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Even metaphysical predicates, being exclusively our own, are not so absolute as to be valid for all time. Paradoxically, if that were the case, these metaphysical imperatives would have had to exist prior to humans themselves existing.

Righto. And here you and I can agree that our basic predicates differ. You regard what is metaphysical as epiphenomenal contrivance. I.e. as inventions, as arrangements. Naturally, they are mutable formulae.

In my view (and this is shared by Catholic traditionalism) the principles most certainly pre-existed all manifestation. And as such they are valid for all time.

That is the beauty & strength, as well as the terrifying and incommoding power, of the sort of declarations that are absolutist in nature.

And right there the entire conflict with revealed religion is laid out on the table.

these metaphysical imperatives would have had to exist prior to humans themselves existing

Just as they now still exist even if they are not understood or captured by any mind. And they will continue to”existing” even when there is no mind (or man) to receive the notion and lend assent to it.

[Alexis Jacobi]

A true metaphysic keeps advancing re-fertilizing itself, moving, more or less, as the cosmos itself moves. It can never remain stagnant as if existing only within a single orbit. The human brain rarely retains all the values it once maintained.

I believe I understand this formulation. But I cannot agree with it. A metaphysical principle, of the sort that operates in our world, must have (let’s say) absolute qualities. Because, obviously, such principles are linked with the pole of Eternal Being as a conceptual structure.

The World (like your ‘cosmos’) does indeed advance, modify, shift and morph. I think it fair to say that Catholic Christianity, through articulated theological principles, believes that it has established “eternal principles”. Call it a defect of my own mind, or a manifestation of a personality type, but in my case I agree with the enunciated Principles. And for this reason make efforts to give assent to their operation (in my own life).

See for example Newman’s Grammar of Assent.

There are some core ideas expressed here about belief and assent.

[Belinda]

A true metaphysic keeps advancing re-fertilizing itself, moving, more or less, as the cosmos itself moves. It can never remain stagnant as if existing only within a single orbit. The human brain rarely retains all the values it once maintained.

I believe I understand this formulation. But I cannot agree with it. A metaphysical principle, of the sort that operates in our world, must have (let’s say) absolute qualities. Because, obviously, such principles are linked with the pole of Eternal Being as a conceptual structure.

The World (like your ‘cosmos’) does indeed advance, modify, shift and morph. I think it fair to say that Catholic Christianity, through articulated theological principles, believes that it has established “eternal principles”. Call it a defect of my own mind, or a manifestation of a personality type, but in my case I agree with the enunciated Principles. And for this reason make efforts to give assent to their operation (in my own life).

See for example Newman’s Grammar of Assent.

There are some core ideas expressed here about belief and assent.

"articulated theological principles" please view
https://www.saet.ac.uk/Christianity/Rom ... icCanonLaw

[Alexis Jacobi]

You inkl'd quite well.

You may have three treats from the following selection...

I’ll take the Bagel, the Apple and the Martini.

I have been reading this over the last few days. It might interest you.