How is life?

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Which is better?

It is better to live than never to have been born.
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It would have been better never to have been born than to live.
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I don't know.
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Re: How is life?

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accelafine wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:12 am
attofishpi wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:06 am
accelafine wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:02 am Well you would know all about tiny appendages. You are about as funny as Prom.
True. I was born with a micropenis and despite my grandpa's constant sucking it stayed tiny.
I don't want to hear that.
OMG!! That is beyond the pale! I do have ways of hunting people down via the internet u know. They didn't give me the licence to kill 007-666 number for nought.. 8)

..anyway, I got better things to do - gotta teach my woman how to play billiards so she can win enough money to join me in Oz :D
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The will to will nothing,
is a preference as any other.
It's not an absence of obeying self.

The only reason to live in a state of negation,
is if you're avoiding something after.

If there is no after,
why prolong negation,
and be nothing instead?
If you know the result,
why bother with the ceremony?

[There are multiple tactics that have been utilized to address the problem of suffering.
I think James said, 'You cannot die, before you try' -
meaning: before you take the final plunge, you exhaust your other options first.]

If there is something after,
then we're likely on a loop.
We're aware of the suffering that is present,
and if we abandon our current life,
we're likely jumping back into greater ignorance.

Why not offset the suffering?
Why not seek to introduce value to the loop?
Such that the suffering,
can be the cost of admission?

A cost which you've already paid,
likely many times over.

...

Whether life is worth ever being,
is primarily relevant if -
1. you're encouraging others to, or creating new life yourself
2. you think whatever's after may be preferable

If you have doubts about the former,
you can still work to reduce the suffering of those present.

On the latter, there are questions to be sought of what you think's after -
and strategies to exhaust to build meaning in your presence.

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It's the reason I joined ILP - to exhaust possibilities.
James presented one that was effective -
respect to him.

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Re: How is life?

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Until I cease to exist permanently, it's still interesting. Then I'll be borrrrrrred, so bored, forever. And ever. Bloody miserable.
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Probably so. Life stinks and only gets worse as we get older. Then we die. I'm changing my answer to the poll. Being born was a fucking tragedy.
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ben js wrote:[1]
A muscle only grows when it is confronted by it’s (current) limitations.
To expose oneself to one’s limits, is an honest act. A respectful act.
In order for it to be productive, however, one must not only push, but rest.
One must reflect on one’s limitations and let wounds heal with full knowledge, that they will soon be re-opened.

If one only pushes, one is running, and will eventually break due to irreparable damage.
If one is always at rest, one’s strength will fade away until one can’t move except at the mercy of one’s environment.
Both paths lead to the same end.

The process of growing, which one desires, demands both rest and strain.
If one doesn’t recognize the process, one may lose sight, confidence, self.

When the things one values are disregarded,
one is not indifferent.
One is confused, alone, afraid…
These are true,
and an equal illustration
that even in these moments,
their alternatives still are.

There’s no inconsistency.

===

[2]
If one doesn’t notice one is drowning,
one may believe one is resting,
when one is straining to stay afloat.
One will smile, continue one’s chores,
and steadily lose a grasp on one’s only life boat.

Throughout the process,
one will breathe in a lung of water,
causing acute shock.

Whilst one denies their ordeal,
one will falsely attribute this honest reaction to irrelevant causes,
and dismiss the life boat’s flashing beacon.

And who could find strength in one’s corpse?
One has only been an illustration of that which others should not aspire,
yet one had the initial strength to strain against death,
will this message be lost also?

===

[3]
A life is not balanced.
One may be born with a failing body,
where it’s optimistic to aim for a state without continual blood loss.
One may not be able to rely on the self to sustain.
Then one needs to seek externally.
Requires the influence - inspiration - example of the other…
else one is slipping away.

Just as one may need medicine,
one may need mental/emotional inspiration,
without which, one is constantly failing.

Is that unstable?
Is that a sign of an underlying problem that should be addressed?
Is that weak?

The objective is to attach oneself closely to life.
If inspiration does this, then it is an attainable solution.
Nothing more, nothing less.

It is a reaction to adversity
that otherwise can’t be overcome to one’s knowledge.
One must make do.
I think you're doing a lot more than you realize, Gary.
If you look within, there's likely many battles being waged.
You're enduring & surviving in a cruel and perhaps tragic world -
this is not nothing.

In times against great odds,
one must pick their battles wisely.
There's few hills you need to die on.

Whilst the past is real, and an opportunity for learning -
it is but one of many opportunities,
and it need not be one's only focus / priority.
We don't need to carry all of history on our backs -
we can set it down and return to it when ready,
it'll still be there.

If one is seeking sustenance, and only consumes poison,
one is starving themselves - disempowering themselves -
actively working against their needs.
This process has a very clear outcome.

Distancing oneself from poison is self compassion.
So is finding reliable / attainable methods to nourish the spirit - a place to recover.

If you're already fighting many battles, especially without realizing,
what you probably need is rest and spiritual nourishment.
Not to seek support from assholes like myself and many others who occupy this forum.

Ask yourself, what do you love?
What is valuable to you intrinsically, not as a means to an end?
And try to balance your life, and incorporate time for nourishment.

If it's misery after misery, then life becomes tragic.

I think the light is when you can welcome the new day,
and feel it's an opportunity for meaning and joy (a gift) -
as opposed to dreading each day,
as a cruel endurance with an inevitable sour end.

Even if the external world is cruel and bitter,
one can nurture an internal garden,
where it is a pleasure to inhabit that space.

'It is no sign of health to be well adjusted to a sick society'
'Your own gift you can present every moment with the cumulative force of a whole life's cultivation'
'Become the change you wish to see'

We are blessed with the opportunity to be ourselves, and to cultivate ourselves into our ideal.
And whilst you are, this opportunity will always remain - this you can rely on.
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I think we are all brave warriors to be here on this 'E-Ticket Ride' (Disneyland reference). Sometimes it's exhilarating... and sometimes it's horrifying. It's basically >> just what we're doing << for whatever reasons. Whether we might be born into this life or not doesn't really matter (I think)... but it can be an opportunity for playing with the experience... surfing the waves. That can be interesting in our sensory forms that we can share with others. :)

I think people should be given a compassionate path to leave if they really want to.
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Lacewing wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 1:53 pm Whether we might be born into this life or not doesn't really matter (I think)... but it can be an opportunity for playing with the experience... surfing the waves. That can be interesting in our sensory forms that we can share with others. :)

I think people should be given a compassionate path to leave if they really want to.
I agree with the last sentence.

Not sure what you mean by "whether we might be born into this life or not". It seems like we have no choice in the matter and anyone who is reading this must have been born, unless they are AI. There's no other option.
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Gary Childress wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 6:14 pm
Lacewing wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 1:53 pm Whether we might be born into this life or not doesn't really matter (I think)... but it can be an opportunity for playing with the experience... surfing the waves. That can be interesting in our sensory forms that we can share with others. :)

I think people should be given a compassionate path to leave if they really want to.
I agree with the last sentence.

Not sure what you mean by "whether we might be born into this life or not". It seems like we have no choice in the matter and anyone who is reading this must have been born, unless they are AI. There's no other option.
(Unless, of course, God is reading this. That's possible. Maybe God has a morbid sense of humor and likes to hear his victims complain just for shits and giggles.)
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I think people should be given a compassionate path to leave if they really want to.
Helpin'' a disturbed/deranged/deluded/crazy person kill himself is, to my mind, about as far away from compassionate as you can get.

It's monstrous.
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Much better to let them die horribly and painfully and with a high change of botching it and ending up physically disabled as well. FFS. Religious nuts are the pits. Mine your own beeswax.
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accelafine wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 7:19 pm Mine your own beeswax.
I do. If, er, Larry wants to off himself, he can do that. That's his business. Why does it have to become anyone else's? Why does anyone have to offer him a compassionate path? You want me to clam up and butt out and turn a blind eye? Glad to. Just don't ask for (demand) assistance in him offin' himself.

This mindin' your own beeswax is a two-way street, veg.
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At the very least, they could have prescription suicide kits. Maybe include tranquilizers, painkillers, and something to stop the heart at a certain point after taking it, or something. Shit, poison hemlock might work it's slower acting and maybe gives time for the tranquilizers and painkillers to take effect. We can die like Socrates. Nothing wrong with that.
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henry quirk wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 7:26 pm
accelafine wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 7:19 pm Mine your own beeswax.
I do. If, er, Larry wants to off himself, he can do that. That's his business. Why does it have to become anyone else's? Why does anyone have to offer him a compassionate path? You want me to clam up and butt out and turn a blind eye? Glad to. Just don't ask for (demand) assistance in him offin' himself.

This mindin' your own beeswax is a two-way street, veg.
The sheer hypocrisy of someone who is all for everyone being allowed to have as many guns as they want. Your stupid world view becomes unravelled at the slightest twitch because it makes no logical sense.
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Nothing wrong with that.
When it becomes commonplace to off one's self, to assist someone in offin' themselves, nuthin' good can come from it.

It's an individual matter, private and personal. It should remain so. It ought not be sanctioned by the community. It ought not be a feature of public life.
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accelafine wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 7:45 pm
As usual, you don't know what you're talkin' about, veg.
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