Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?

[Gary Childress]

I say, "Death to Israel and piss on its grave!"

So you're basically a bigot, no better than American bigots.

[popeye1945]

I say, "Death to Israel and piss on its grave!"

So you're basically a bigot, no better than American bigots.

You use the term pretty freely, I am not racist, but neither am I a genocider. I just have a low tolerance for mass murderers, which includes Americans!!

[Gary Childress]

I say, "Death to Israel and piss on its grave!"

So you're basically a bigot, no better than American bigots.

You use the term pretty freely, I am not racist, but neither am I a genocider. I just have a low tolerance for mass murderers, which includes Americans!!

So do you preach "death to Americans" and "piss" on our graves also?

[Martin Peter Clarke]

I remember reading the Sunday Times on holiday in Wells-next-the-Sea after the 6 Day War in '67, aged 13, I was a pretentious little sod. And I've never forgotten that it said that the post-war liberal west (US, NW Europe) thought that they were creating a new Athens in the ME, to bring enlightenment to the heart of the barbarians, but that it was turning in to a new Sparta. It gave me pause. I outgrew the pause. Under the influence of a right wing Zionist American cult. No US government will ever let Israel fail, no matter how much Israel fucks up like it did on October 7, and '73. And the US is too big to fail. If it did, by some form of fantasy collapsology, we'd all go with it. That afternoon. The Arab world does not give a damn about Palestine. Nobody does. Nobody can. Israel responded to Hamas and Hezbollah perfectly. With demonstrable restraint. Within none. They warned where they could. Where it wouldn't compromise hits on Hamas & Hezbollah leaders by bunker buster. With a hundred collateral dead necessarily for each. (That's nothing compared with what we did to maximize casualties by area bombing Germany.) And yeah, my English (i.e. German) ancestors conquered this land 1500 years ago. My Welsh, Scots and Irish ones came back anyway. The world is heading in to Heinlein meets 1984 territory. And a few other sci-fi's. 4 degrees warmer. Desertification. Antarctic melt. Sea level rise. Every coastal city gone. LA. NY. London. Amsterdam. Bordeaux. Lagos. Djakarta. Shanghai. Until we float them. Whole countries. Bangladesh. A billion refugees. Don't worry. All of which will make the rich richer. My favourite techno-fix is that we pave the deserts with solar panels which greens them, creates cloud, cools the Earth. 500 years. Palestine? Oh yeah. That drowns too. Two million. 0.2% of 'the problem'. Morality? What is that? We vote for the rich to get richer. It'll trickle down. You know it makes sense.

[accelafine]

So you are saying that Israel should pack up and leave? Isn't that going to be an almost impossible expectation and unfair to expect of Israelis at this point? I mean, lots of peoples have moved around the world. Should everyone pack up and go home to their land of original ancestry? Does Israel not have a right to exist at this point? Is it realistic to ask that of Israel much more than it's realistic to ask Palestinians to pack up and leave Gaza? I realize Israeli settlement of the occupied territories is unfair on the part of Israelis. But wouldn't a two-state solution be best at this point? Haven't most of the wars thus far in the Middle East been started by Israel's foes?

I can't believe people STILL drivel on about a 'two state solution'. They don't even know what it means, or how it would work logistically. The plasticians have repeatedly refused that option anyway. They want the complete annihilation of Israel and that's what they've always wanted. Hamas has governed Gaza for nearly 20 years. What has it been doing for all that time? Making its leaders wealthy beyond their wildest dreams and spending billions on tunnels and weapons for the sole purpose of destroying Israel. They could have been spending it on their own infrastructure so that they didn't have to depend on Israel, but they chose not to. How is anyone supposed to reason with that?

What would be a better solution than a two-state solution? Unless I'm mistaken, isn't it the case that Israel doesn't want to annex the occupied territories and give Palestinians citizenship in Israel? It seems like Palestinians ought to have a right to self-determination. Do they have that now?

Should the people currently in Gaza pack up and leave? Or are you suggesting that Israel integrate them into Israel? It doesn't seem fair to ask the Gazans to pack up and leave.

Or what is wrong with a two-state solution? What is a better plan?

I suppose the solution then is for you to go over there and teach the Gazans, with love and kindness, not to be such murderous, hateful, bitter retards. Good luck.

[Gary Childress]

I can't believe people STILL drivel on about a 'two state solution'. They don't even know what it means, or how it would work logistically. The plasticians have repeatedly refused that option anyway. They want the complete annihilation of Israel and that's what they've always wanted. Hamas has governed Gaza for nearly 20 years. What has it been doing for all that time? Making its leaders wealthy beyond their wildest dreams and spending billions on tunnels and weapons for the sole purpose of destroying Israel. They could have been spending it on their own infrastructure so that they didn't have to depend on Israel, but they chose not to. How is anyone supposed to reason with that?

What would be a better solution than a two-state solution? Unless I'm mistaken, isn't it the case that Israel doesn't want to annex the occupied territories and give Palestinians citizenship in Israel? It seems like Palestinians ought to have a right to self-determination. Do they have that now?

Should the people currently in Gaza pack up and leave? Or are you suggesting that Israel integrate them into Israel? It doesn't seem fair to ask the Gazans to pack up and leave.

Or what is wrong with a two-state solution? What is a better plan?

I suppose the solution then is for you to go over there and teach the Gazans, with love and kindness, not to be such murderous, hateful, bitter retards. Good luck.

Good grief. What do you want from others? Some of us try to be fair to everyone, but some seem more interested in hostilities.

[accelafine]

I remember reading the Sunday Times on holiday in Wells-next-the-Sea after the 6 Day War in '67, aged 13, I was a pretentious little sod. And I've never forgotten that it said that the post-war liberal west (US, NW Europe) thought that they were creating a new Athens in the ME, to bring enlightenment to the heart of the barbarians, but that it was turning in to a new Sparta. No US government will ever let Israel fail, no matter how much Israel fucks up like it did on October 7, and '73. And the US is too big to fail. If it did, by some form of fantasy collapsology, we'd all go with it. That afternoon. The Arab world does not give a damn about Palestine. Nobody does. Nobody can. Israel responded to Hamas and Hezbollah perfectly. With demonstrable restraint. Within none. They warned where they could. Where it wouldn't compromise hits on Hamas & Hezbollah leaders by bunker buster. With a hundred collateral dead necessarily for each. (That's nothing compared with what we did to maximize casualties by area bombing Germany.) And yeah, my English (i.e. German) ancestors conquered this land 1500 years ago. My Welsh, Scots and Irish ones came back anyway. The world is heading in to Heinlein meets 1984 territory. And a few other sci-fi's. 4 degrees warmer. Desertification. Antarctic melt. Sea level rise. Every coastal city gone. LA. NY. London. Amsterdam. Bordeaux. Lagos. Djakarta. Shanghai. Until we float them. Whole countries. Bangladesh. A billion refugees. Don't worry. All of which will make the rich richer. My favourite techno-fix is that we pave the deserts with solar panels which greens them, creates cloud, cools the Earth. 500 years. Palestine? Oh yeah. That drowns too. Two million. 0.2% of 'the problem'. Morality? What is that? We vote for the rich to get richer. It'll trickle down. You know it makes sense.

Oct 7 was Israel's fault? So you are admitting that Israel should have expected an attack so evil and depraved that its equal hasn't been seen in living (or even non living) memory. What does that tell anyone about YOUR opinion of plasticians and what they are capable of?
You are also a lying scumbag. No one ever said anything about bringing 'enlightenment to the barbarians'. YOU are the one calling them 'barbarians'. Egypt was anything BUT 'barbaric'. Radical islam wasn't a 'thing' back then, but the US chose to slaughter all the 'dictators' who were keeping the cork in the bottle of islamic extremism.
People were a lot better educated in the 60s and 70s. They actually knew the history of the region and had a very good grasp of current events and what was going on in the world. Journalists were actually journalists and not 'podcasters'. People read the papers. Ironic but true that with the advent of the internet people have become MASSIVELY less informed. Insanity has prevailed and snowballled.

[accelafine]

What would be a better solution than a two-state solution? Unless I'm mistaken, isn't it the case that Israel doesn't want to annex the occupied territories and give Palestinians citizenship in Israel? It seems like Palestinians ought to have a right to self-determination. Do they have that now?

Should the people currently in Gaza pack up and leave? Or are you suggesting that Israel integrate them into Israel? It doesn't seem fair to ask the Gazans to pack up and leave.

Or what is wrong with a two-state solution? What is a better plan?

I suppose the solution then is for you to go over there and teach the Gazans, with love and kindness, not to be such murderous, hateful, bitter retards. Good luck.

Good grief. What do you want from others? Some of us try to be fair to everyone, but some seem more interested in hostilities.

A stupid question requires a stupid answer.

[Gary Childress]

I suppose the solution then is for you to go over there and teach the Gazans, with love and kindness, not to be such murderous, hateful, bitter retards. Good luck.

Good grief. What do you want from others? Some of us try to be fair to everyone, but some seem more interested in hostilities.

A stupid question requires a stupid answer.

Fuck off.

[accelafine]

Good grief. What do you want from others? Some of us try to be fair to everyone, but some seem more interested in hostilities.

A stupid question requires a stupid answer.

Fuck off.

Awww. Mr 'kind and caring' showing your true colours there. What's wrong? It's a simple statement of fact ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Gary Childress]

A stupid question requires a stupid answer.

Fuck off.

Awww. Mr 'kind and caring' showing your true colours there. What's wrong? It's a simple statement of fact ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A simple statement of fact is that I'd rather be off this planet than around all the genocidal maniacs on it.

[Pistolero]

Cum-bucket is making her rounds, draining all blue-balls.

My new name for her...Cum-Bucket

[accelafine]

I remember reading the Sunday Times on holiday in Wells-next-the-Sea after the 6 Day War in '67, aged 13, I was a pretentious little sod. And I've never forgotten that it said that the post-war liberal west (US, NW Europe) thought that they were creating a new Athens in the ME, to bring enlightenment to the heart of the barbarians, but that it was turning in to a new Sparta. It gave me pause. I outgrew the pause. Under the influence of a right wing Zionist American cult. No US government will ever let Israel fail, no matter how much Israel fucks up like it did on October 7, and '73. And the US is too big to fail. If it did, by some form of fantasy collapsology, we'd all go with it. That afternoon. The Arab world does not give a damn about Palestine. Nobody does. Nobody can. Israel responded to Hamas and Hezbollah perfectly. With demonstrable restraint. Within none. They warned where they could. Where it wouldn't compromise hits on Hamas & Hezbollah leaders by bunker buster. With a hundred collateral dead necessarily for each. (That's nothing compared with what we did to maximize casualties by area bombing Germany.) And yeah, my English (i.e. German) ancestors conquered this land 1500 years ago. My Welsh, Scots and Irish ones came back anyway. The world is heading in to Heinlein meets 1984 territory. And a few other sci-fi's. 4 degrees warmer. Desertification. Antarctic melt. Sea level rise. Every coastal city gone. LA. NY. London. Amsterdam. Bordeaux. Lagos. Djakarta. Shanghai. Until we float them. Whole countries. Bangladesh. A billion refugees. Don't worry. All of which will make the rich richer. My favourite techno-fix is that we pave the deserts with solar panels which greens them, creates cloud, cools the Earth. 500 years. Palestine? Oh yeah. That drowns too. Two million. 0.2% of 'the problem'. Morality? What is that? We vote for the rich to get richer. It'll trickle down. You know it makes sense.

Notice how nazi wokists like Mr Clarke (such a 'psychic vampirish' name) always manage to spin it as 'The Jews' ' fault every time islamists do something vile and depraved. It's like clockwork. In fact they sometimes mis-time it and accidentally say something is 'The Jews' ' fault before the event has even happened

[accelafine]

Hi Gary, been a while!!

Yes, Israel is a settler colony in Palestine. Israel is on a crusade to make the Middle East into its image, thus the unending wars with American backup. There is some hope, as powerful as the United Genociders are, for the American empire is in decline, with its fall, Israel is nothing and cannot survive without America. Right now, Israel determines American foreign policy, and will for some time to come, but America and Israel are seen as monsters by most of the world. Their time in the sun is coming to a close.

So you are saying that Israel should pack up and leave? Isn't that going to be an almost impossible expectation and unfair to expect of Israelis at this point? I mean, lots of peoples have moved around the world. Should everyone pack up and go home to their land of original ancestry? Does Israel not have a right to exist at this point? Is it realistic to ask that of Israel much more than it's realistic to ask Palestinians to pack up and leave Gaza? I realize Israeli settlement of the occupied territories is unfair on the part of Israelis. But wouldn't a two-state solution be best at this point? Haven't most of the wars thus far in the Middle East been started by Israel's foes?

I say, "Death to Israel and piss on its grave!"

You could have left all the ignorant and hypocritical excrement out of it out because it was unnecessary, so I did it for you. This is the wokie position in a nutshell.

[accelafine]

I say, "Death to Israel and piss on its grave!"

So you're basically a bigot, no better than American bigots.

You use the term pretty freely, I am not racist, but neither am I a genocider. I just have a low tolerance for mass murderers, which includes Americans!!

The person calling for the death of Israeli (and with it all Israelis) has a 'low tolerance for mass murderers'. Oookay....