Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?

[Pistolero]

Jewish ethnic-cleansing is 'good.'
God's chosen.

[accelafine]

Defending yourself is good--unless it's Jews doing it.

--pisspot

[Pistolero]

Israel's Backers Keep Whining That They're Losing Control Of The Narrative
If they're going to slaughter an entire people, they cannot maintain their status as the world's 'victims, of irrational hatred and envy.'

Being ostracized, over 109 times, and claiming you did nothing to deserve it, eventually exposes the lie....You present behavior exposes it.

Like a man, kicked out of 100 bars, claiming he is hated because he's rich and successful, or handsome....then beating up a man to take his house from him....
What would you say about his claims?

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Everybody involved is 'morally wrong'. The more powerful, the wronger.

[popeye1945]

Biology is the only sane foundation of morality, for its concerns are those of the safety and well-being of biological subjects. The mass destruction of a whole people/genocide is the ultimate in immorality. Colonialism is about exploitation, thus undermining the well-being of those subjugated. Seen by the colonizers as good for their biological well-being and security.

[Gary Childress]

Biology is the only sane foundation of morality, for its concerns are those of the safety and well-being of biological subjects. The mass destruction of a whole people/genocide is the ultimate in immorality. Colonialism is about exploitation, thus undermining the well-being of those subjugated. Seen by the colonizers as good for their biological well-being and security.

Doesn't it complicate matters, though, that Hamas rejects a two-state solution? Should Israel pack up and leave the region entirely?

[popeye1945]

Biology is the only sane foundation of morality, for its concerns are those of the safety and well-being of biological subjects. The mass destruction of a whole people/genocide is the ultimate in immorality. Colonialism is about exploitation, thus undermining the well-being of those subjugated. Seen by the colonizers as good for their biological well-being and security.

Doesn't it complicate matters, though, that Hamas rejects a two-state solution? Should Israel pack up and leave the region entirely?

Hi Gary, been a while!!

Yes, Israel is a settler colony in Palestine. Israel is on a crusade to make the Middle East into its image, thus the unending wars with American backup. There is some hope, as powerful as the United Genociders are, for the American empire is in decline, with its fall, Israel is nothing and cannot survive without America. Right now, Israel determines American foreign policy, and will for some time to come, but America and Israel are seen as monsters by most of the world. Their time in the sun is coming to a close.

[Gary Childress]

Biology is the only sane foundation of morality, for its concerns are those of the safety and well-being of biological subjects. The mass destruction of a whole people/genocide is the ultimate in immorality. Colonialism is about exploitation, thus undermining the well-being of those subjugated. Seen by the colonizers as good for their biological well-being and security.

Doesn't it complicate matters, though, that Hamas rejects a two-state solution? Should Israel pack up and leave the region entirely?

Hi Gary, been a while!!

Yes, Israel is a settler colony in Palestine. Israel is on a crusade to make the Middle East into its image, thus the unending wars with American backup. There is some hope, as powerful as the United Genociders are, for the American empire is in decline, with its fall, Israel is nothing and cannot survive without America. Right now, Israel determines American foreign policy, and will for some time to come, but America and Israel are seen as monsters by most of the world. Their time in the sun is coming to a close.

So you are saying that Israel should pack up and leave? Isn't that going to be an almost impossible expectation and unfair to expect of Israelis at this point? I mean, lots of peoples have moved around the world. Should everyone pack up and go home to their land of original ancestry? Does Israel not have a right to exist at this point? Is it realistic to ask that of Israel much more than it's realistic to ask Palestinians to pack up and leave Gaza? I realize Israeli settlement of the occupied territories is unfair on the part of Israelis. But wouldn't a two-state solution be best at this point? Haven't most of the wars thus far in the Middle East been started by Israel's foes?

[accelafine]

Biology is the only sane foundation of morality, for its concerns are those of the safety and well-being of biological subjects. The mass destruction of a whole people/genocide is the ultimate in immorality. Colonialism is about exploitation, thus undermining the well-being of those subjugated. Seen by the colonizers as good for their biological well-being and security.

Doesn't it complicate matters, though, that Hamas rejects a two-state solution? Should Israel pack up and leave the region entirely?

Hi Gary, been a while!!

Yes, Israel is a settler colony in Palestine. Israel is on a crusade to make the Middle East into its image, thus the unending wars with American backup. There is some hope, as powerful as the United Genociders are, for the American empire is in decline, with its fall, Israel is nothing and cannot survive without America. Right now, Israel determines American foreign policy, and will for some time to come, but America and Israel are seen as monsters by most of the world. Their time in the sun is coming to a close.

Every country is a 'settler colony' you stupid woke wanker. In case you hadn't noticed, it's Israel that has been attacked over and over again-- and won, over and over again. Israel wants to 'make the ME in its image'? What do you mean by that and what are you basing it on?
So the little woke American speaks for 'most of the world'? Really? What do you mean by 'time in the Sun'? What does your alternative look like? Who would you like to be 'in the Sun'?
So many vague phrases and wokisms with no details. That's always how it is with wokies.

[accelafine]

'Popeye' is just another insane conspiracyturd like pisspot, dressed up in slightly different sheep clothing. He doesn't blatanty post 'Jews rule the world' bs, but says the same things in a different way. 'Israel' (i.e. 'The Jews') control the US, tells the US which countries to attack blah blah.
Gosh, how did it pan out for Israel after the US attacked Iraq for no reason and destabilied and islamified the entire region? Anyone with even the most basic reasoning ability could see what would happen when dubya Bush did that--and Israel more than anyone else.

[popeye1945]

Doesn't it complicate matters, though, that Hamas rejects a two-state solution? Should Israel pack up and leave the region entirely?

Hi Gary, been a while!!

Yes, Israel is a settler colony in Palestine. Israel is on a crusade to make the Middle East into its image, thus the unending wars with American backup. There is some hope, as powerful as the United Genociders are, for the American empire is in decline, with its fall, Israel is nothing and cannot survive without America. Right now, Israel determines American foreign policy, and will for some time to come, but America and Israel are seen as monsters by most of the world. Their time in the sun is coming to a close.

So you are saying that Israel should pack up and leave? Isn't that going to be an almost impossible expectation and unfair to expect of Israelis at this point? I mean, lots of peoples have moved around the world. Should everyone pack up and go home to their land of original ancestry? Does Israel not have a right to exist at this point? Is it realistic to ask that of Israel much more than it's realistic to ask Palestinians to pack up and leave Gaza? I realize Israeli settlement of the occupied territories is unfair on the part of Israelis. But wouldn't a two-state solution be best at this point? Haven't most of the wars thus far in the Middle East been started by Israel's foes?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying, occupiers have no right of self-defense according to the United Nations. Israel and America are the cancer of the globe, ever holding on to the colonial mindset. They have told the world at large to kiss their asses and they will do what they wish. The world is slowly uniting against them. America defines China as an enemy for doing business better than they do and for calling for the end of empire to engage in a world of cooperating nations. America has been a cruel master, weaponizing the dollar, murdering and overthrowing governments; its goal of world domination is but a wet dream. The American empire wants to hope the world has forgiveness in its heart.

[accelafine]

Doesn't it complicate matters, though, that Hamas rejects a two-state solution? Should Israel pack up and leave the region entirely?

Hi Gary, been a while!!

Yes, Israel is a settler colony in Palestine. Israel is on a crusade to make the Middle East into its image, thus the unending wars with American backup. There is some hope, as powerful as the United Genociders are, for the American empire is in decline, with its fall, Israel is nothing and cannot survive without America. Right now, Israel determines American foreign policy, and will for some time to come, but America and Israel are seen as monsters by most of the world. Their time in the sun is coming to a close.

So you are saying that Israel should pack up and leave? Isn't that going to be an almost impossible expectation and unfair to expect of Israelis at this point? I mean, lots of peoples have moved around the world. Should everyone pack up and go home to their land of original ancestry? Does Israel not have a right to exist at this point? Is it realistic to ask that of Israel much more than it's realistic to ask Palestinians to pack up and leave Gaza? I realize Israeli settlement of the occupied territories is unfair on the part of Israelis. But wouldn't a two-state solution be best at this point? Haven't most of the wars thus far in the Middle East been started by Israel's foes?

I can't believe people STILL drivel on about a 'two state solution'. They don't even know what it means, or how it would work logistically. The plasticians have repeatedly refused that option anyway. They want the complete annihilation of Israel and that's what they've always wanted. Hamas has governed Gaza for nearly 20 years. What has it been doing for all that time? Making its leaders wealthy beyond their wildest dreams and spending billions on tunnels and weapons for the sole purpose of destroying Israel. They could have been spending it on their own infrastructure so that they didn't have to depend on Israel, but they chose not to. How is anyone supposed to reason with that?

[accelafine]

Hi Gary, been a while!!

Yes, Israel is a settler colony in Palestine. Israel is on a crusade to make the Middle East into its image, thus the unending wars with American backup. There is some hope, as powerful as the United Genociders are, for the American empire is in decline, with its fall, Israel is nothing and cannot survive without America. Right now, Israel determines American foreign policy, and will for some time to come, but America and Israel are seen as monsters by most of the world. Their time in the sun is coming to a close.

So you are saying that Israel should pack up and leave? Isn't that going to be an almost impossible expectation and unfair to expect of Israelis at this point? I mean, lots of peoples have moved around the world. Should everyone pack up and go home to their land of original ancestry? Does Israel not have a right to exist at this point? Is it realistic to ask that of Israel much more than it's realistic to ask Palestinians to pack up and leave Gaza? I realize Israeli settlement of the occupied territories is unfair on the part of Israelis. But wouldn't a two-state solution be best at this point? Haven't most of the wars thus far in the Middle East been started by Israel's foes?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying, occupiers have no right of self-defense according to the United Nations. Israel and America are the cancer of the globe, ever holding on to the colonial mindset. They have told the world at large to kiss their asses and they will do what they wish. The world is slowly uniting against them. America defines China as an enemy for doing business better than they do and for calling for the end of empire to engage in a world of cooperating nations. America has been a cruel master, weaponizing the dollar, murdering and overthrowing governments; its goal of world domination is but a wet dream. The American empire wants to hope the world has forgiveness in its heart.

What do you even mean when you say 'occupier'? Why is that word only ever used when it comes to Israel? It's actually Gazans and West Bankers who are LITERALLY 'occupying' those regions.
Try not to insult everyone with your wokisms and meaningless buzzwords. It's unbecoming.

[Gary Childress]

Hi Gary, been a while!!

Yes, Israel is a settler colony in Palestine. Israel is on a crusade to make the Middle East into its image, thus the unending wars with American backup. There is some hope, as powerful as the United Genociders are, for the American empire is in decline, with its fall, Israel is nothing and cannot survive without America. Right now, Israel determines American foreign policy, and will for some time to come, but America and Israel are seen as monsters by most of the world. Their time in the sun is coming to a close.

So you are saying that Israel should pack up and leave? Isn't that going to be an almost impossible expectation and unfair to expect of Israelis at this point? I mean, lots of peoples have moved around the world. Should everyone pack up and go home to their land of original ancestry? Does Israel not have a right to exist at this point? Is it realistic to ask that of Israel much more than it's realistic to ask Palestinians to pack up and leave Gaza? I realize Israeli settlement of the occupied territories is unfair on the part of Israelis. But wouldn't a two-state solution be best at this point? Haven't most of the wars thus far in the Middle East been started by Israel's foes?

I can't believe people STILL drivel on about a 'two state solution'. They don't even know what it means, or how it would work logistically. The plasticians have repeatedly refused that option anyway. They want the complete annihilation of Israel and that's what they've always wanted. Hamas has governed Gaza for nearly 20 years. What has it been doing for all that time? Making its leaders wealthy beyond their wildest dreams and spending billions on tunnels and weapons for the sole purpose of destroying Israel. They could have been spending it on their own infrastructure so that they didn't have to depend on Israel, but they chose not to. How is anyone supposed to reason with that?

What would be a better solution than a two-state solution? Unless I'm mistaken, isn't it the case that Israel doesn't want to annex the occupied territories and give Palestinians citizenship in Israel? It seems like Palestinians ought to have a right to self-determination. Do they have that now?

Should the people currently in Gaza pack up and leave? Or are you suggesting that Israel integrate them into Israel? It doesn't seem fair to ask the Gazans to pack up and leave.

Or what is wrong with a two-state solution? What is a better plan?

[popeye1945]

Doesn't it complicate matters, though, that Hamas rejects a two-state solution? Should Israel pack up and leave the region entirely?

Hi Gary, been a while!!

Yes, Israel is a settler colony in Palestine. Israel is on a crusade to make the Middle East into its image, thus the unending wars with American backup. There is some hope, as powerful as the United Genociders are, for the American empire is in decline, with its fall, Israel is nothing and cannot survive without America. Right now, Israel determines American foreign policy, and will for some time to come, but America and Israel are seen as monsters by most of the world. Their time in the sun is coming to a close.

So you are saying that Israel should pack up and leave? Isn't that going to be an almost impossible expectation and unfair to expect of Israelis at this point? I mean, lots of peoples have moved around the world. Should everyone pack up and go home to their land of original ancestry? Does Israel not have a right to exist at this point? Is it realistic to ask that of Israel much more than it's realistic to ask Palestinians to pack up and leave Gaza? I realize Israeli settlement of the occupied territories is unfair on the part of Israelis. But wouldn't a two-state solution be best at this point? Haven't most of the wars thus far in the Middle East been started by Israel's foes?

It was unfair for Jews to come to Palestine as refugees looking for sanctuary and then take over the country. Most of the Jews there do not have ancestral claims to the land, their propaganda machine created that. They have proved their basic natures by continuing a genocide that the world renounces. Think about it, if I were homeless and you sheltered me, and I then claimed to own the shelter, and wished you out and used my power to drive you out for over seventy-five years, I think you would be displeased. The Jews of Palestine had better move if they wish to survive because American support is quickly drying up. America as an empire is in decline; it has overextended itself as empires tend to do before they fall. The city at home are in decay, infrastructures across the land are coming apart, and homelessness is growing geometrically. Revolution at home looks like a real possibility. The world is tired of America's endless wars and brutality. They could become decent world citizens, but they won't; they will have to be taken down, the process is already well on its way. I say, "Death to Israel and piss on its grave!"