The fake divinity of a man and his single mother

[Belinda]

With good will to all, his mother was a remarkable young woman in a remarkable extended family of messianic Jewish fanatics. He was even more remarkable, a working class/artisan intellectual, emotional genius, at the crossroads of culture and history.

Does that mean that Christ is God himself? And that his single mother is the "mother of God"?

Gemini AI

The Council of Ephesus in 431 AD declared Theotokos ("God-bearer") as the correct title for Mary, rejecting alternative titles like Christotokos ("Christ-bearer") which were seen as diminishing the divinity of Jesus.

No man is God himself. No woman is the mother of God. These beliefs are simply ridiculous. There is no Holy hominid, just like there is no Holy baboon. Christianity is a laughable concoction of stupidities. It is a religion for idiots.

Perhaps you would enjoy Christianity more if it were not Trinitarian? For instance the Unitarians traditionally hold that God is the only God and Jesus was not the Christ but was instead a very good man.

Muslims similarly are not Trinitarian and regard Jesus as a prophet who tells forth truth, but is not a God.

[godelian]

With good will to all, his mother was a remarkable young woman in a remarkable extended family of messianic Jewish fanatics. He was even more remarkable, a working class/artisan intellectual, emotional genius, at the crossroads of culture and history.

Does that mean that Christ is God himself? And that his single mother is the "mother of God"?

Well it would and allowably be. But it doesn't mean that, no. At all. I don't know how you get that from my kind rationalization.

Gemini AI

The Council of Ephesus in 431 AD declared Theotokos ("God-bearer") as the correct title for Mary, rejecting alternative titles like Christotokos ("Christ-bearer") which were seen as diminishing the divinity of Jesus.

No man is God himself. No woman is the mother of God. These beliefs are simply ridiculous. There is no Holy hominid, just like there is no Holy baboon. Christianity is a laughable concoction of stupidities. It is a religion for idiots.

If only all of the truly brilliant, kind Christians I have the privilege of knowing were as brilliant and as kind as you.

Concerning your so-called "kind Christians", do you have any idea how many people the Byzantine empire persecuted because they pointed out that this "theodokos" thing ("mother of God") was simply ridiculous?

ChatGPT

Persecution of Heretics (Nestorians):

After the Council of Ephesus (431 AD):
Nestorius was condemned as a heretic and exiled to a monastery. His teachings were officially denounced.
Many of his followers fled the Byzantine Empire and established churches in the Sassanian (Persian) Empire, particularly the Church of the East (sometimes anachronistically called the Nestorian Church).

The Byzantine authorities persecuted those who adhered to Nestorian views, including:
Removal from ecclesiastical offices.
Exile or imprisonment of bishops and monks.
Suppression of Nestorian writings and public preaching.

The theological conflict was not just religious but political — tied to imperial authority and unity — so opposing the Theotokos doctrine was treated almost as sedition.

Not only the hominid from Palestine was obviously not God, never was, and never will be, but worshipping his single mother as a deity is an even more ludicrous practice. It is a depravity to worship any of your neighbors as a God. If hominids can be God, then why not the emperor of Japan? In that case, he is also God!

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Does that mean that Christ is God himself? And that his single mother is the "mother of God"?

Well it would and allowably be. But it doesn't mean that, no. At all. I don't know how you get that from my kind rationalization.

No man is God himself. No woman is the mother of God. These beliefs are simply ridiculous. There is no Holy hominid, just like there is no Holy baboon. Christianity is a laughable concoction of stupidities. It is a religion for idiots.

If only all of the truly brilliant, kind Christians I have the privilege of knowing were as brilliant and as kind as you.

Concerning your so-called "kind Christians", do you have any idea how many people the Byzantine empire persecuted because they pointed out that this "theodokos" thing ("mother of God") was simply ridiculous?

ChatGPT

Persecution of Heretics (Nestorians):

After the Council of Ephesus (431 AD):
Nestorius was condemned as a heretic and exiled to a monastery. His teachings were officially denounced.
Many of his followers fled the Byzantine Empire and established churches in the Sassanian (Persian) Empire, particularly the Church of the East (sometimes anachronistically called the Nestorian Church).

The Byzantine authorities persecuted those who adhered to Nestorian views, including:
Removal from ecclesiastical offices.
Exile or imprisonment of bishops and monks.
Suppression of Nestorian writings and public preaching.

The theological conflict was not just religious but political — tied to imperial authority and unity — so opposing the Theotokos doctrine was treated almost as sedition.

Not only the hominid from Palestine was obviously not God, never was, and never will be, but worshipping his single mother as a deity is an even more ludicrous practice. It is a depravity to worship any of your neighbors as a God. If hominids can be God, then why not the emperor of Japan? In that case, he is also God!

You mean he wasn't?!

[godelian]

You mean he wasn't?!

Nah. He was just another impostor. If a man can be God, then how many fellow hominids are going to try to impersonate him? According to the Roman Senate, Julius Caesar was supposedly also God.

ChatGPT: Did the Roman Senate declare Julius Caesar to be a god?

Yes, the Roman Senate did declare Julius Caesar to be a god—but it happened after his death.

Here’s how it went down:

After his assassination in 44 BCE, Caesar was officially deified by the Roman state. In 42 BCE, the Senate passed a decree that recognized him as Divus Julius (the Divine Julius).

This made him the first Roman to be officially deified by the Roman state.

A key moment was the appearance of a comet shortly after his death, which was interpreted by many Romans as a sign of his apotheosis (becoming a god). This comet became part of Caesar’s divine symbolism.

His adopted heir, Octavian (later Augustus), used this status to bolster his own authority, calling himself the "son of a god" (Divi Filius)—which played a big part in legitimizing his power during the transition from Republic to Empire.

It is not that I don't get the joke.

It was not Octavian who was the "son of god". No, Octavian was just an impostor! It was the man hanging from a cross that was the "son of god"!

But then again, Octavian is gone. The Roman empire is gone, and the joke is no longer funny.

[Pistolero]

I consider the Jewish account more precise....
If there was a man named Jesus, he was born to a woman who had an affair with a Roman, or was raped by him.....and in order to explain the difference his Aryan appearance, to her fellow Semites, she moved to a town where nobody knew her, and concocted a story about being inseminated by god.

How then did the boy grow up to be such an influential man?

The Roman force of occupation was not made up of "Aryans" . Rome had men from various ethnicities as soldiers . Even Roman governors were not always ethnically Roman although they had to be Roman citizens.

But maybe Pistol told the story as a joke.

With good will to all, his mother was a remarkable young woman in a remarkable extended family of messianic Jewish fanatics. He was even more remarkable, a working class/artisan intellectual, emotional genius, at the crossroads of culture and history.

Where did you red this?
Who wrote it?
How do you know?

People of the Book, by the book, for the book.
Whatever the holy scripture says, you fuckturds swallow...

[Belinda]

How then did the boy grow up to be such an influential man?

The Roman force of occupation was not made up of "Aryans" . Rome had men from various ethnicities as soldiers . Even Roman governors were not always ethnically Roman although they had to be Roman citizens.

But maybe Pistol told the story as a joke.

With good will to all, his mother was a remarkable young woman in a remarkable extended family of messianic Jewish fanatics. He was even more remarkable, a working class/artisan intellectual, emotional genius, at the crossroads of culture and history.

Where did you red this?
Who wrote it?
How do you know?

People of the Book, by the book, for the book.
Whatever the holy scripture says, you fuckturds swallow...

You mistakenly think everyone who enjoys The Bible is the same. Some others read it as anthropologists, some as historians, some as poets, and some who like a sensational story well told. It's true that many get their values from scripture read as Gods direct book of rules for humans.

I endorse the Bible as literature , literature that has had a huge influence on civilisation. As with any reading of literature it's enhanced by anthropology, history, tolerance for metaphor and allegory, and the ability to pick out the abiding theme of the entire volume which, in the case of The Bible, is love and the history of love.

[Pistolero]

Do you?
I prefer Lord of the Rings.....much more wisdom in there.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

How then did the boy grow up to be such an influential man?

The Roman force of occupation was not made up of "Aryans" . Rome had men from various ethnicities as soldiers . Even Roman governors were not always ethnically Roman although they had to be Roman citizens.

But maybe Pistol told the story as a joke.

With good will to all, his mother was a remarkable young woman in a remarkable extended family of messianic Jewish fanatics. He was even more remarkable, a working class/artisan intellectual, emotional genius, at the crossroads of culture and history.

Where did you red this?
Who wrote it?
How do you know?

People of the Book, by the book, for the book.
Whatever the holy scripture says, you fuckturds swallow...

I didn't red it anywhere. Or read it. I worked it out for myself with humanist good will to all. Which is utterly wasted on a poor benighted creature like you. If you were my dog I'd have you put down.

I am not 'you'.

You really shouldn't hide your kind brilliance under a bushel of ignorant shit.

[Belinda]

Do you?
I prefer Lord of the Rings.....much more wisdom in there.

I like TLOTR too. Who is your favourite character if you have a favourite?

[Pistolero]

Tom Bombadil

[Pistolero]

With good will to all, his mother was a remarkable young woman in a remarkable extended family of messianic Jewish fanatics. He was even more remarkable, a working class/artisan intellectual, emotional genius, at the crossroads of culture and history.

Where did you red this?
Who wrote it?
How do you know?

People of the Book, by the book, for the book.
Whatever the holy scripture says, you fuckturds swallow...

I didn't red it anywhere. Or read it. I worked it out for myself with humanist good will to all. Which is utterly wasted on a poor benighted creature like you. If you were my dog I'd have to put down.

I am not 'you'.

Your humanism is based on your selfishness.

But you cannot be honest with yourself.
Self-deceit, is ubiquitous.

[Belinda]

Does that mean that Christ is God himself? And that his single mother is the "mother of God"?

Well it would and allowably be. But it doesn't mean that, no. At all. I don't know how you get that from my kind rationalization.

No man is God himself. No woman is the mother of God. These beliefs are simply ridiculous. There is no Holy hominid, just like there is no Holy baboon. Christianity is a laughable concoction of stupidities. It is a religion for idiots.

If only all of the truly brilliant, kind Christians I have the privilege of knowing were as brilliant and as kind as you.

Concerning your so-called "kind Christians", do you have any idea how many people the Byzantine empire persecuted because they pointed out that this "theodokos" thing ("mother of God") was simply ridiculous?

ChatGPT

Persecution of Heretics (Nestorians):

After the Council of Ephesus (431 AD):
Nestorius was condemned as a heretic and exiled to a monastery. His teachings were officially denounced.
Many of his followers fled the Byzantine Empire and established churches in the Sassanian (Persian) Empire, particularly the Church of the East (sometimes anachronistically called the Nestorian Church).

The Byzantine authorities persecuted those who adhered to Nestorian views, including:
Removal from ecclesiastical offices.
Exile or imprisonment of bishops and monks.
Suppression of Nestorian writings and public preaching.

The theological conflict was not just religious but political — tied to imperial authority and unity — so opposing the Theotokos doctrine was treated almost as sedition.

Not only the hominid from Palestine was obviously not God, never was, and never will be, but worshipping his single mother as a deity is an even more ludicrous practice. It is a depravity to worship any of your neighbors as a God. If hominids can be God, then why not the emperor of Japan? In that case, he is also God!

Indeed "why not the emperor of Japan?" The Emperor of Japan was not ------

* taken up by the Roman Empire so as to form a medium of communication to Europe , Asia, and the near East.

* Spread by Egyptian monks to Ireland and western Europe.

* the inheritor of good ideas from ancient Judaism .

[Belinda]

Tom Bombadil

Me too! I love the bit where he collects up the ponies and knows them all by name.

[Pistolero]

There's a holocaust occurring during your lifetime....does your humanism even recognize it?
No, you are more interested in a imaginary Being, that is so in love with you, that it believes you deserve to be preserved for an eternity.
Your selflessness is quite selfish.
You are so arrogant you believe the entire cosmos was created for you...YOU!!!
What the fuck, man.

Your compassion requires a threat and a promise.....otherwise you don't see the point.
You are a classic hypocrite.

[Pistolero]

Tom Bombadil

Me too! I love the bit where he collects up the ponies and knows them all by name.

I cried when I read the last page...
Never was moved by any other story....
But when Frodo got onto the ship to sail away.....it got me.