Why do guys who dress as girls get so much hate but not the other way around?

[Age]

HI Gary,

What you appear to be recommending here is a non-standard society, which to me spells chaos, convenience me otherwise.

So there are women who can look a lot like men but not men who can look a lot like women? It seems like it could be argued that it is unfair or a double standard. Or should there be a kind of unisex standard for non-traditional men and women? Sometimes that seems to be the case.

Or are you simply suggesting that there should always be some kind of clear indicator of a person's gender? I think that would be a good idea. I mean, who wants to date someone and then find out one fateful evening that they're not the gender you thought they were? Or have someone in the ladies' room who doesn't belong there.

Well, we seem to be pretty much on the same wavelength, women and men are different, they behave differently and have different functions, behaviours in society.

'This one' WILL present ANOTHER PRIME example of one who is NOT ABLE TO ANSWER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

1. HOW, EXACTLY, are so-called 'men' and 'women' DIFFERENT?

2. HOW, EXACTLY, do 'women' and 'men' behave DIFFERENTLY?

3. WHAT are the DIFFERENT 'functions' OF 'men' and 'women', EXACTLY?

Not that you, or others, ever could, or would, ANSWER and CLARIFY, here.

There is a standing relationship between the genders, which is common to species, natural biological behaviours, and attitudes, they are two aspects of one thing, the species, and it is chaos to confuse them.

It is also TELLING when one MAKES CLAIMS, like you just have, AGAIN, here, but you do NOT EXPLAIN, ELABORATE ON, NOR CLARIFY your OWN BELIEFS and CLAIMS.

Confusion is chaos.

So, WHY do you NOT JUST CLARIFY?

Cultures change and sometimes in direct opposition to the well-being of nature and its creatures, adapting to a sick culture does not make one healthy.

WHY THEN DID you ADAPT TO, and REMAIN IN, the VERY SICK 'CULT/ure' that you LIVE IN, ENCOURAGE, and PROMOTE?

A culture that believes in multi-genders is not healthy.

BUT, 'your views, beliefs, and cult/ure' are healthy, right?

[Age]

What are 'girly clothes'?

You mean you don't know?

It was JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION posed, and JUST ASKED TO you.

you are IN a 'philosophy forum' and made A CLAIM. So, what are 'girly' clothes, EXACTLY?

[Age]

Nothing I can do about it but I do resent being forced to participate in a male's sexual fetish.

I am a little confused here. How does a man in a dress walking down the street force you to participate in any kind of sexual fetish?

"accelafine" HATES 'men'. So, if 'they' do just about absolutely ANY thing, then in ' "accelafine's" own little world view ', 'they' are doing some thing Wrong and/or BAD.

[Age]

Generally, these patterns have evolved and endured through time because they work.

Works for whom?

So, your taste is untraditional, you buck the norm, and to some degree you pay for that luxury, not earth-shattering. Pretty safe, in a world, in the West at least, where people identify as whatever pops into their heads,

At which point did I anything about "identity"?

The feminist movement from its inception wanted to destroy the nuclear family

Are you on glue?

Just like "accelafine", here, HATES 'men', and ONLY 'sees' BAD or Wrong IN 'them', there are few 'men', here, who also 'see' BAD or Wrong IN 'women'.

To people like "popeye1945" so-called "feminists" NEVER just wanted to bring some sort of EQUALITY INTO 'the world', instead 'they' ONLY wanted to DESTROY 'men' and/or 'families'.

I KNOW 'this' IS ABSURD, but there REALLY ARE 'men' AND 'women' like "popeye1945" AND "accelafine" living IN 'the world', (in the days when this is being written).

[Age]

It seems like a valid point. a man wearing a dress and high heels probably isn't doing it because it's comfortable.

How about a dress and sensible shoes?

GREAT QUESTION.

[Age]

Nothing I can do about it but I do resent being forced to participate in a male's sexual fetish.

I am a little confused here. How does a man in a dress walking down the street force you to participate in any kind of sexual fetish?

The same way man parading naked in a women's changing room is. I'll leave you to think about if. You seem a tad naive.

LOL SO, a 'man' walking with a dress on IS FORCING "accelafine" TO PARTICIPATE IN A 'sexual fetish'.

'This' WAS HOW CLOSED, and SO, SO CONTROLLABLE, some people REALLY WERE, BACK when this WAS being written.

[Age]

It seems like a valid point. a man wearing a dress and high heels probably isn't doing it because it's comfortable.

How about a dress and sensible shoes?

Well, that's a fair point and a little more difficult to assess. I mean, dresses look like they could be comfortable. Maybe wear a pair of comfortable athletic shoes with it. Hmm. What do you think? Do you think men should be allowed to dress like women at their own discretion, even in public or professional places?

you could NOT PRESENT A MORE CLOSED VIEW, and a MORE NARROW CLARIFYING QUESTION, here, "gary childress".

What are your thoughts on that? Do you think there are any good reasons to discourage men from dressing in clothes that are normally only worn by women?

[Age]

It seems like a valid point. a man wearing a dress and high heels probably isn't doing it because it's comfortable.

How about a dress and sensible shoes?

Why do you feel the need to defend men anyway? You don't think big, thunking men are capable of defending themselves?

WHY did you AUTOMATICALLY PRESUME that it WAS?

[Age]

How about a dress and sensible shoes?

Well, that's a fair point and a little more difficult to assess. I mean, dresses look like they could be comfortable. Maybe wear a pair of comfortable athletic shoes with it. Hmm. What do you think? Do you think men should be allowed to dress like women at their own discretion, even in public or professional places? What are your thoughts on that? Do you think there are any good reasons to discourage men from dressing in clothes that are normally only worn by women?

That's not what women of at least normal intelligence are protesting about anyway. It's the whole 'a man is a woman because he says he is' crap and having it written into law so that women have effectively lost all their rights as women-- like separate changing rooms and their own sports competitions. It's about power and control over women.

ONCE AGAIN, it is ALL "ONE-SIDED", ONLY, FROM "accelafine".

Did you know that a gynaecologist in France was prohibited from practicing for six months recently because he refused to 'treat' a man cosplaying as a 'woman'? The man abused him and his staff before going crying to the authorities. WTF is a gynaecologist supposed to do when presented with a penis and testicles, or a revolting, stinking hole 'faux vagina'?

LOL BECAUSE it is A 'man' with a 'fake one', then it MUST AUTOMATICALLY BE REVOLTING, and STINKING.

That's a completely different kind of medical professional. That pervert was trying to FORCE the gynaecologist to participate in his fetish. Why else would he be there?

MAYBE TO GET 'money' FROM AN IDIOTIC society? Or, MAYBE TO 'win' something in its life? Or, MAYBE TO FEEL HEARD, or MAYBE FOR some OTHER REASON.

So now the doctor's LEGITIMATE FEMALE patients are having to miss out because of ANOTHER whining, entitled male fuckwit.
Interesting that their opposite, women who pretend to be men, don't seem to cause any problems, except perhaps on gay dating sites where they seriously believe that gay men are going to be interested in them.

LOL Do not seem to cause ANY problems', except for one only, (and again ONLY where 'men' are involved).

It's actually really sad, because a lot of them have been brainwashed when very young that they are in the 'wrong body'.

Is it actually REALLY SAD when a lot of 'men' had been so=called "brainwashed" when very young, or ONLY when it happened to the 'women' ONLY?

No one batted an eyelid at butch lesbians who got about in baggy dungarees. Now young women are getting their breasts lopped off at epidemic levels. It's mass hysteria on a scale never seen before thanks to the internet. Not only lopped off breasts, but ending up needing to use crutches and walkers like old ladies, crippled by the hormone treatments. Giving women MASSIVE amounts of testosterone is obviously something that is going to damage their health FFS.

So, 'these women' NEVER HAD A CHOICE, because it was the FAULT OF 'them' being "brainwashed", when 'very young', and/or 'the internet'.

LOL AGAIN you could not come across MORE "ONE-SIDED", here, "accelafine".

[Age]

Well, that's a fair point and a little more difficult to assess. I mean, dresses look like they could be comfortable. Maybe wear a pair of comfortable athletic shoes with it. Hmm. What do you think? Do you think men should be allowed to dress like women at their own discretion, even in public or professional places? What are your thoughts on that? Do you think there are any good reasons to discourage men from dressing in clothes that are normally only worn by women?

That not what women of normal intelligence are protesting about anyway. It's the whole 'a man is a woman because he says he is' crap and having it written into law so that women have effectively lost all their rights as women-- like separate changing rooms and their own sports competitions. It's about power and control over women.
Did you know that a gynaecologist in France was prohibited from practicing for six months recently because he refused to 'treat' a man cosplaying as a 'woman'. The man abused him and his staff before going crying to the authorities. WTF is a gynaecologist supposed to do when presented with a penis and testicles, or a revolting, stinking hole 'faux vagina'? That's a completely different kind of medical professional. That pervert was trying to FORCE the gynaecologist to participate in his fetish. Why else would he be there?
So now the doctor's LEGITIMATE FEMALE patients are having to miss out because of ANOTHER whining, entitled male fuckwit.
Interesting that their opposite, women who pretend to be men, don't seem to cause any problems, except perhaps on gay dating sites where they seriously think that gay men are going to be interested them. It's actually really sad, because a lot of them have been brainwashed when very young that they are in the 'wrong body'.

I agree that men shouldn't be allowed in women's restrooms just because they dress like a woman and I doubt that "transitioning" is the equivalent of fully changing sex. The French gyno situation sounds stupid. I also don't think it's fair at all to allow men pretending to be women into women's sports.

When, EXACTLY, does it STOP becoming 'pretending'?

I guess the question is, why are guys hated more for dressing like women than women are hated for dressing like men?

What do you MEAN by 'GUESS', here, EXACTLY?

The VERY ACTUAL QUESTION OF THIS THREAD IS, 'Why do guys who dress as girls get so much hate but not the other way around?'

Which, by the way, ONLY 'one person', ONLY, so far, has ATTEMPTED TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

Is there a rational reason to hate men who dress like women just for dressing like women, so long as they don't go into ladies' only rooms, or play women's sports, etc.

ONCE you people, here, ALSO LEARN and UNDERSTAND HOW and WHY ALL OF you ARE 'the way' that you ALL ARE, then you WILL ALSO UNDERSTAND, and KNOW, that there is NO RATIONAL REASON TO HATE ABSOLUTELY ANY one AT ALL.

So, NO there is NO 'rational reason' to HATE 'men', 'women', children, nor babies. Full stop.

[Age]

That not what women of normal intelligence are protesting about anyway. It's the whole 'a man is a woman because he says he is' crap and having it written into law so that women have effectively lost all their rights as women-- like separate changing rooms and their own sports competitions. It's about power and control over women.
Did you know that a gynaecologist in France was prohibited from practicing for six months recently because he refused to 'treat' a man cosplaying as a 'woman'. The man abused him and his staff before going crying to the authorities. WTF is a gynaecologist supposed to do when presented with a penis and testicles, or a revolting, stinking hole 'faux vagina'? That's a completely different kind of medical professional. That pervert was trying to FORCE the gynaecologist to participate in his fetish. Why else would he be there?
So now the doctor's LEGITIMATE FEMALE patients are having to miss out because of ANOTHER whining, entitled male fuckwit.
Interesting that their opposite, women who pretend to be men, don't seem to cause any problems, except perhaps on gay dating sites where they seriously think that gay men are going to be interested them. It's actually really sad, because a lot of them have been brainwashed when very young that they are in the 'wrong body'.

I agree that men shouldn't be allowed in women's restrooms just because they dress like a woman and I doubt that "transitioning" is the equivalent of fully changing sex. The French gyno situation sounds stupid. I also don't think it's fair at all to allow men pretending to be women into women's sports.

I guess the question is, why are guys hated more for dressing like women than women are hated for dressing like men? Is there a rational reason to hate men who dress like women just for dressing like women, so long as they don't go into ladies' only rooms, or play women's sports, etc.

How would you even tell if a woman was 'dressing like a man'?? Try to think for once. It's not remotely the same thing.

So, HOW would you even TELL if a 'man' was 'dressing like a woman'?

[Age]

Pinned on this X account and censored everywhere else (gee, I wonder why). The truth has become a dirty word.

https://x.com/Skirt_Go_Spinny/status/16 ... 3884676135

''My favourite thing about being 'trans' is that I can say misogynistic things and people just think I'm being ironic and self-aware but really I just hate women'.
Straight from the horse's mouth.

What the OP should be asking is why men hate women so much and why that's completely acceptable.

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'This one' REALLY can NOT 'see' ANY thing ELSE, here. In its VIEW, and BELIEF, 'men' HATE 'women'.

[Age]

Well, that's a fair point and a little more difficult to assess. I mean, dresses look like they could be comfortable. Maybe wear a pair of comfortable athletic shoes with it. Hmm. What do you think? Do you think men should be allowed to dress like women at their own discretion, even in public or professional places? What are your thoughts on that? Do you think there are any good reasons to discourage men from dressing in clothes that are normally only worn by women?

Women are already allowed to dress like men in the workplace. I literally wear men's shirts (complete with buttons on the men's side) at work and this occasionally causes someone's brain to go for a bit of a loop but has not so far caused major problems.

So I do not see why a man could not dress as a woman at my workplace. Obviously a cute cocktail dress would not work here for a man or a woman but something more sensible could easily work. However, I do not think most people who work here or most customers are ready for something like that yet. (I am in a blue state in a purple county.)

There is a certain amount of arbitrary in all of this. One of my female coworkers wears jeans (like I do) but her shirts are cute and in girly colors and have frilly things on them and have buttons of the girl side and she has shoulder length hair. Her presentation of herself does not cause anyone's brains do go for a loop. A man dressing like this would risk a beating from the local white trash, unfortunately.

How stunning and brave: 'buttons on the left hand side' Can you even hear yourself? A workplace is a private environment of business. The owners can enforce whatever dress code they want.

'This' is OBVIOUSLY False.

If it involves working with the public then attire should be neutral and not shoving any kind of politics or fetish in others' faces.

LOL 'Now' 'this one' is TELLING "bosses" what 'they' SHOULD BE ENFORCING ON "their workers". LOL They HYPOCRISY and CONTRADICTIONS CONTINUE.

And, what even is 'neutral attire', EXACTLY?

You shouldn't be allowed to do that with workmates either--it's a form of bullying. They do it because they know they can get away with it. Everyone is running scared of these fascists in bad wigs and heels.

[Age]

That person is a LITERAL moron.

What 'person'?

[Age]

So I am a girl and I have a number three brush cut and dress like a guy. This sometimes confuses people who are not sure if I am a guy or a girl, and sometimes they act weird about it, and say I would like a lot prettier with longer hair and so forth.

But guys who have long hair and dress like girls get serious hate - i.e. the kind of hate that can get your face stomped on late at night (or even not so late) if you are not careful.

Why is this?

Maybe it's partly because men are like 50% stronger physically, it would be unmanly for them to treat men and women equally. A woman can mess around and even dress like a man and that's fine, but for a man to dress up and act like a woman when he is still a physically inherently stronger man, is absolutely not fine. Men are expected to behave.

And, as just AS CLOSED and "ONE-SIDED" "accelafine" IS, so to is "atla" AS CLOSED and "ONE-SIDED", AS WELL.