Why do guys who dress as girls get so much hate but not the other way around?

[accelafine]

Nothing I can do about it but I do resent being forced to participate in a male's sexual fetish.

I am a little confused here. How does a man in a dress walking down the street force you to participate in any kind of sexual fetish?

The same way man parading naked in a women's changing room is. I'll leave you to think about if. You seem a tad naive.

[Gary Childress]

It seems like a valid point. a man wearing a dress and high heels probably isn't doing it because it's comfortable.

How about a dress and sensible shoes?

Well, that's a fair point and a little more difficult to assess. I mean, dresses look like they could be comfortable. Maybe wear a pair of comfortable athletic shoes with it. Hmm. What do you think? Do you think men should be allowed to dress like women at their own discretion, even in public or professional places? What are your thoughts on that? Do you think there are any good reasons to discourage men from dressing in clothes that are normally only worn by women?

[accelafine]

It seems like a valid point. a man wearing a dress and high heels probably isn't doing it because it's comfortable.

How about a dress and sensible shoes?

Why do you feel the need to defend men anyway? You don't think big, thunking men are capable of defending themselves?

[accelafine]

It seems like a valid point. a man wearing a dress and high heels probably isn't doing it because it's comfortable.

How about a dress and sensible shoes?

Well, that's a fair point and a little more difficult to assess. I mean, dresses look like they could be comfortable. Maybe wear a pair of comfortable athletic shoes with it. Hmm. What do you think? Do you think men should be allowed to dress like women at their own discretion, even in public or professional places? What are your thoughts on that? Do you think there are any good reasons to discourage men from dressing in clothes that are normally only worn by women?

That's not what women of at least normal intelligence are protesting about anyway. It's the whole 'a man is a woman because he says he is' crap and having it written into law so that women have effectively lost all their rights as women-- like separate changing rooms and their own sports competitions. It's about power and control over women.
Did you know that a gynaecologist in France was prohibited from practicing for six months recently because he refused to 'treat' a man cosplaying as a 'woman'? The man abused him and his staff before going crying to the authorities. WTF is a gynaecologist supposed to do when presented with a penis and testicles, or a revolting, stinking hole 'faux vagina'? That's a completely different kind of medical professional. That pervert was trying to FORCE the gynaecologist to participate in his fetish. Why else would he be there?
So now the doctor's LEGITIMATE FEMALE patients are having to miss out because of ANOTHER whining, entitled male fuckwit.
Interesting that their opposite, women who pretend to be men, don't seem to cause any problems, except perhaps on gay dating sites where they seriously believe that gay men are going to be interested in them. It's actually really sad, because a lot of them have been brainwashed when very young that they are in the 'wrong body'.
No one batted an eyelid at butch lesbians who got about in baggy dungarees. Now young women are getting their breasts lopped off at epidemic levels. It's mass hysteria on a scale never seen before thanks to the internet. Not only lopped off breasts, but ending up needing to use crutches and walkers like old ladies, crippled by the hormone treatments. Giving women MASSIVE amounts of testosterone is obviously something that is going to damage their health FFS.

[Gary Childress]

How about a dress and sensible shoes?

Well, that's a fair point and a little more difficult to assess. I mean, dresses look like they could be comfortable. Maybe wear a pair of comfortable athletic shoes with it. Hmm. What do you think? Do you think men should be allowed to dress like women at their own discretion, even in public or professional places? What are your thoughts on that? Do you think there are any good reasons to discourage men from dressing in clothes that are normally only worn by women?

That not what women of normal intelligence are protesting about anyway. It's the whole 'a man is a woman because he says he is' crap and having it written into law so that women have effectively lost all their rights as women-- like separate changing rooms and their own sports competitions. It's about power and control over women.
Did you know that a gynaecologist in France was prohibited from practicing for six months recently because he refused to 'treat' a man cosplaying as a 'woman'. The man abused him and his staff before going crying to the authorities. WTF is a gynaecologist supposed to do when presented with a penis and testicles, or a revolting, stinking hole 'faux vagina'? That's a completely different kind of medical professional. That pervert was trying to FORCE the gynaecologist to participate in his fetish. Why else would he be there?
So now the doctor's LEGITIMATE FEMALE patients are having to miss out because of ANOTHER whining, entitled male fuckwit.
Interesting that their opposite, women who pretend to be men, don't seem to cause any problems, except perhaps on gay dating sites where they seriously think that gay men are going to be interested them. It's actually really sad, because a lot of them have been brainwashed when very young that they are in the 'wrong body'.

I agree that men shouldn't be allowed in women's restrooms just because they dress like a woman and I doubt that "transitioning" is the equivalent of fully changing sex. The French gyno situation sounds stupid. I also don't think it's fair at all to allow men pretending to be women into women's sports.

I guess the question is, why are guys hated more for dressing like women than women are hated for dressing like men? Is there a rational reason to hate men who dress like women just for dressing like women, so long as they don't go into ladies' only rooms, or play women's sports, etc.

[accelafine]

Well, that's a fair point and a little more difficult to assess. I mean, dresses look like they could be comfortable. Maybe wear a pair of comfortable athletic shoes with it. Hmm. What do you think? Do you think men should be allowed to dress like women at their own discretion, even in public or professional places? What are your thoughts on that? Do you think there are any good reasons to discourage men from dressing in clothes that are normally only worn by women?

That not what women of normal intelligence are protesting about anyway. It's the whole 'a man is a woman because he says he is' crap and having it written into law so that women have effectively lost all their rights as women-- like separate changing rooms and their own sports competitions. It's about power and control over women.
Did you know that a gynaecologist in France was prohibited from practicing for six months recently because he refused to 'treat' a man cosplaying as a 'woman'. The man abused him and his staff before going crying to the authorities. WTF is a gynaecologist supposed to do when presented with a penis and testicles, or a revolting, stinking hole 'faux vagina'? That's a completely different kind of medical professional. That pervert was trying to FORCE the gynaecologist to participate in his fetish. Why else would he be there?
So now the doctor's LEGITIMATE FEMALE patients are having to miss out because of ANOTHER whining, entitled male fuckwit.
Interesting that their opposite, women who pretend to be men, don't seem to cause any problems, except perhaps on gay dating sites where they seriously think that gay men are going to be interested them. It's actually really sad, because a lot of them have been brainwashed when very young that they are in the 'wrong body'.

I agree that men shouldn't be allowed in women's restrooms just because they dress like a woman and I doubt that "transitioning" is the equivalent of fully changing sex. The French gyno situation sounds stupid. I also don't think it's fair at all to allow men pretending to be women into women's sports.

I guess the question is, why are guys hated more for dressing like women than women are hated for dressing like men? Is there a rational reason to hate men who dress like women just for dressing like women, so long as they don't go into ladies' only rooms, or play women's sports, etc.

How would you even tell if a woman was 'dressing like a man'?? Try to think for once. It's not remotely the same thing.

[accelafine]

Pinned on this X account and censored everywhere else (gee, I wonder why). The truth has become a dirty word.

https://x.com/Skirt_Go_Spinny/status/16 ... 3884676135

''My favourite thing about being 'trans' is that I can say misogynistic things and people just think I'm being ironic and self-aware but really I just hate women'.
Straight from the horse's mouth.

What the OP should be asking is why men hate women so much and why that's completely acceptable.

[popeye1945]

Generally, these patterns have evolved and endured through time because they work.

Works for whom?

So, your taste is untraditional, you buck the norm, and to some degree you pay for that luxury, not earth-shattering. Pretty safe, in a world, in the West at least, where people identify as whatever pops into their heads,

At which point did I anything about "identity"?

The feminist movement from its inception wanted to destroy the nuclear family

Are you on glue?

No, you are either quite young and have not lived through the movement's development, or you have done squat research.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Nu ... 3d&first=1

[accelafine]

Generally, these patterns have evolved and endured through time because they work.

Works for whom?

So, your taste is untraditional, you buck the norm, and to some degree you pay for that luxury, not earth-shattering. Pretty safe, in a world, in the West at least, where people identify as whatever pops into their heads,

At which point did I anything about "identity"?

The feminist movement from its inception wanted to destroy the nuclear family

Are you on glue?

No, you are either quite young and have not lived through the movement's development, or you have done squat research.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Nu ... 3d&first=1

So women standing up for themselves pisses you off? Oh diddums. I'm sure we will take your feelings into account next time

ps. WTF is a 'nuclear' family anyway? Is that a family that lived near Chernobyl? Or Hiroshima?

[carlafeit]

No, you are either quite young and have not lived through the movement's development, or you have done squat research.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Nu ... 3d&first=1

The movement goes back to the 19th century if not earlier so no one has lived through its development.

Not sure what age has to do with it. I am old enough to have seen that the men who are most prone to going on and on about importance of nuclear family are the men most likely to be abusive assholes.

[carlafeit]

Why do you feel the need to defend men anyway? You don't think big, thunking men are capable of defending themselves?

Have the Canadians cut off their supply of fentanyl so effectively that people are switching to glue?

[carlafeit]

Well, that's a fair point and a little more difficult to assess. I mean, dresses look like they could be comfortable. Maybe wear a pair of comfortable athletic shoes with it. Hmm. What do you think? Do you think men should be allowed to dress like women at their own discretion, even in public or professional places? What are your thoughts on that? Do you think there are any good reasons to discourage men from dressing in clothes that are normally only worn by women?

Women are already allowed to dress like men in the workplace. I literally wear men's shirts (complete with buttons on the men's side) at work and this occasionally causes someone's brain to go for a bit of a loop but has not so far caused major problems.

So I do not see why a man could not dress as a woman at my workplace. Obviously a cute cocktail dress would not work here for a man or a woman but something more sensible could easily work. However, I do not think most people who work here or most customers are ready for something like that yet. (I am in a blue state in a purple county.)

There is a certain amount of arbitrary in all of this. One of my female coworkers wears jeans (like I do) but her shirts are cute and in girly colors and have frilly things on them and have buttons of the girl side and she has shoulder length hair. Her presentation of herself does not cause anyone's brains do go for a loop. A man dressing like this would risk a beating from the local white trash, unfortunately.

[accelafine]

Why do you feel the need to defend men anyway? You don't think big, thunking men are capable of defending themselves?

Have the Canadians cut off their supply of fentanyl so effectively that people are switching to glue?

Exactly the response I would expect from an American wokie

[accelafine]

Well, that's a fair point and a little more difficult to assess. I mean, dresses look like they could be comfortable. Maybe wear a pair of comfortable athletic shoes with it. Hmm. What do you think? Do you think men should be allowed to dress like women at their own discretion, even in public or professional places? What are your thoughts on that? Do you think there are any good reasons to discourage men from dressing in clothes that are normally only worn by women?

Women are already allowed to dress like men in the workplace. I literally wear men's shirts (complete with buttons on the men's side) at work and this occasionally causes someone's brain to go for a bit of a loop but has not so far caused major problems.

So I do not see why a man could not dress as a woman at my workplace. Obviously a cute cocktail dress would not work here for a man or a woman but something more sensible could easily work. However, I do not think most people who work here or most customers are ready for something like that yet. (I am in a blue state in a purple county.)

There is a certain amount of arbitrary in all of this. One of my female coworkers wears jeans (like I do) but her shirts are cute and in girly colors and have frilly things on them and have buttons of the girl side and she has shoulder length hair. Her presentation of herself does not cause anyone's brains do go for a loop. A man dressing like this would risk a beating from the local white trash, unfortunately.

How stunning and brave: 'buttons on the left hand side' Can you even hear yourself? A workplace is a private environment of business. The owners can enforce whatever dress code they want. If it involves working with the public then attire should be neutral and not shoving any kind of politics or fetish in others' faces. You shouldn't be allowed to do that with workmates either--it's a form of bullying. They do it because they know they can get away with it. Everyone is running scared of these fascists in bad wigs and heels.

[accelafine]

That person is a LITERAL moron.