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1) If you take 'forgiveness' to a logical conclusion then you forgive all behaviors.

2) If you take 'helping people' to a logical conclusion then you take in migrants and immigrants.

3) If you take 'not harming others' to a logical conclusion then you can't say anything critical or challenging.

4) Isn't that what Jesus taught?

5) If he was here now, he would be hanging out with trannies and migrants just as he hung out with prostitutes and thieves.

Hard to know where to start. What you have put forward here — it is a condensation of your grasp of Christian theology (and ethics) and therefor idiosyncratic, however it is certainly completely wrong.

“Forgiveness” is a divinely-decreed release from the consequences of sinful activity. And to be “forgiven” requires genuine repentance.

NO it DOES NOT AT ALL.

Once one KNOWS, EXACTLY, WHY ALL people DO what they DO, then 'GENUINE FORGIVENESS', FOR ALL people, IS GIVEN, and ABSOLUTELY NO repentance, genuine or not, FROM ANY one IS NEEDED.

That is a moral process leading to forgiveness. In no sense is the logical conclusion that on-going or established behaviors, deemed to be illicit, immoral, antisocial or what have you “forgiven” in the sense of allowed or condoned.

2) In Christian theological doctrine there is respect and consideration for the community, the state, the region. It is understood that the rights of those people are to be respected. To establish as a mandatory ethic that those people must accept floods of immigrants whose presence affects the economy and social well-being of the established residents, is not “Christian”. It is actually a false or perverted sense of genuine Christian theology.

Charity (helping people) is a more complex question than your simplistic take, which amounts to being morally coerced to give over one’s resources, or opening one’s neighborhood or home, out of a misplaced sense of obligation to a needy person.

Obviously — working your example — it would be better to help that migrant learn to make his own region and state better. But to encourage abandoning his region is actually a negative action. How one gives, and why, are obvious questions.

3) And yet the figure of Jesus in the Gospels said extremely pointed things to those he attempted to admonish (heal, influence). And as God’s representative, when the whole deal went down, God exiled the recalcitrant Jews from Judea. (I refer to the narrative of early Christianity).

All theological doctrine is “admonishing” and therefore it is always pointed. It is always critical, always challenging.

4) That is apparently what you sincerely believe. It is completely incorrect!

5) He would, by his presence, be (to follow the Gospel tone and narrative) transforming the people he spent time with.

I guess it stand to reason that one does not find oneself in God’s presence and then simply carry on committing grave injustices, or sexual perversions, or robberies and cruelties.

Obviously you have not even a slight interest in nor any knowledge at all, even remotely, of the essence of Christian theology and ethics, so it follows that your view of it is literally of a looney-tune (cartoon) level.

[phyllo]

Obviously you have not even a slight interest in nor any knowledge at all, even remotely, of the essence of Christian theology and ethics, so it follows that your view of it is literally of a looney-tune (cartoon) level.

I don't know why you feel the need to post something like this.

The rest of your post was fairly restrained. So why this ending?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Obviously you have not even a slight interest in nor any knowledge at all, even remotely, of the essence of Christian theology and ethics, so it follows that your view of it is literally of a looney-tune (cartoon) level.

I don't know why you feel the need to post something like this.

The rest of your post was fairly restrained. So why this ending?

First, do not take it or anything personally. Why do you do that?!?

It constantly baffles me.

I don’t “feel” a need to write what appears true to me. I discern, intellectually, that to complete my thought I must follow-through.

You and so many others, in a generally descending temporal period (of decadence, diminishment in the capacity to reason, and the collapse of the mind), operate not in knowledge but in nescience. That is the psycho-intellectual environment.

You-plural constantly interpret directness as offensiveness. It is so bizarre!

Why do you participate in the world of ideas?!?

Now, forget the ending, respond to the content.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Obviously you have not even a slight interest in nor any knowledge at all, even remotely, of the essence of Christian theology and ethics, so it follows that your view of it is literally of a looney-tune (cartoon) level.

If you had interest, you would have researched. Had you researched you’d never have expressed a grasp that is so off-the-mark.

Therefore: ”Obviously you have not even a slight interest in nor any knowledge at all, even remotely, of the essence of Christian theology and ethics, so it follows that your view of it is literally of a looney-tune (cartoon) level.”

Clear?

[Atla]

“Forgiveness” is a divinely-decreed release from the consequences of sinful activity.

Only that?

"Lord, how often should I forgive someone who sins against me? Seven times?” “No, not seven times,” Jesus says, “but seventy-seven times!"

"If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly Father will forgive you. But if you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins."

"Forgive others, and you will be forgiven."

"Forgive us our sins, as we have forgiven those who sin against us."

"Even if that person wrongs you seven times a day and each time turns again and asks forgiveness, you must forgive."

"first forgive anyone you are holding a grudge against, so that your Father in heaven will forgive your sins, too."

[Alexis Jacobi]

I forgive you, Atla. But in no sense do I condone your naughtiness.

(Did you take a lot of LSD in the Old Days? You don’t have to answer that of course).

[Alexis Jacobi]

You (plural) might find this lecture worthwhile. Segrue is always good.

[phyllo]

“Forgiveness” is a divinely-decreed release from the consequences of sinful activity.

Only that?

"Lord, how often should I forgive someone who sins against me? Seven times?” “No, not seven times,” Jesus says, “but seventy-seven times!"

"If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly Father will forgive you. But if you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins."

"Forgive others, and you will be forgiven."

"Forgive us our sins, as we have forgiven those who sin against us."

"Even if that person wrongs you seven times a day and each time turns again and asks forgiveness, you must forgive."

"first forgive anyone you are holding a grudge against, so that your Father in heaven will forgive your sins, too."

Yes, that section. Matthew 18:15-17

The requirement to be forgiven is that your brother "listens" when you point out his fault. If he doesn't listen then you can treat him as a "pagan or tax collector"(NIV). Is that "genuine repentance"?

Then there is the story of the woman caught in adultery who is to be stoned.

10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

John 8:1-11(NIV)

She doesn't repent at all.

Then the references to not judging others:

7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Matthew 7:1-5(NIV)

[Alexis Jacobi]

She doesn't repent at all.

If she did not “repent” —

[Middle English repenten, from Old French repentir : re-, re- + pentir, to be sorry (from Vulgar Latin *paenitīre, from Latin paenitēre).]

— and if she continued on that path, then in the simplest terms she missed an opportunity.

But the narrative is less about the act or process of moral self-interrogation (through which one comes to regret or sorrow), and more about non-condemnation of that unfortunate person.

Simply put, she was saved from the cruel mob by one who would not “condemn” her:

[Middle English condemnen, from Old French condemner, from Latin condemnāre : com-, intensive pref.; see com- + damnāre, to sentence (from damnum, penalty).]

The operative sense is penalty: stoning.

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[Alexis Jacobi]

Not “judging” others has a different connotation. To pass judgment is to assume a power that (compared to God) one does not have.

But assessment, discernment — for example of your child’s misdeeds — is quite different from “judgment”.

Assessment, discernment, and decision, are necessary moral and ethical undertakings. In fact to avoid that undertaking is morally questionable.

[Atla]

I forgive you, Atla. But in no sense do I condone your naughtiness.

(Did you take a lot of LSD in the Old Days? You don’t have to answer that of course).

If a murderer truly repents, he can go to Heaven. The Cheistian God more or less condones his action. Humans are less forgiving, that's why we have the life inprisonment and the death sentence.

Maybe you're not a very Christian-like demigod? More like a demiapollon?

May God forgive your blasphemy, because I never will!

[Alexis Jacobi]

So, yes I take it?

[phyllo]

Evangelicals now think Jesus was a liberal wimp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aitvb7bdX18

[phyllo]

Jesus Was Woke - The Bible Says So?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgUjqcX5jLs

[Atla]

Evangelicals now think Jesus was a liberal wimp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aitvb7bdX18

Ha!

(Good thing we don't have these Evangelicals in Europe much. Wonder if they even follow Christ or some Israeli propaganda anymore.)