DARK GOTHIC MAGA: How Tech Billionaires Plan to Destroy America

[Alexis Jacobi]

The "modern hyper-liberalism" can be seen as taking the teachings of Jesus to their logical conclusion.

Hyper-liberalism, in my lexicon, refers to taking liberty to perverse, uncontrolled, unconsciously-driven levels and, importantly and consequentially, a burrowing into material and sensual categories.

What do you mean by modern hyper-liberalism?

Maybe Christianity, the "slave" religion doesn't work, doesn't work in our society, or some/many don't want it to work. Certainly that has all been said.

I am unsure what you mean by “slave”. The Nietzschean sense as in debasing?

Or do you mean it in the Christian esoteric sense of choosing to be committed to (a slave of) the Higher Reality? Of commitment to intangible principles and ideals?

How many are interested in going back to paganism and the pagan gods, or something further back?

1) Those who cannot relate to a divine figure who is an emblem of Jewishness.

2) Who understand aspects of Judaism, and their expression in Christianity, as weakening to man and manliness, and who seek to “get out from underneath” it and forge directions in living defined formerly (i.e. in pagan traditions.

In my own view I actually do feel that the figure of Jesus is an insufficient image for man. Since it is based on (rooted mythically in) the eventuality of utter destruction of the planet and the dissolution of the cosmos.

The figure of Jesus cannot operate as a warrior-figure. So in this sense it is not manly. Jesus is I think too feminine.

The fact of the matter that the ideal Christian society is un-achievable except by renunciants and perhaps eunuchs.

I doubt that a large number of conservatives or traditionalists want to go that far.

I guess “most people” will connect with some tradition that feels essentialist enough.

It's probably best to limit it to America 2025. Still more than one movement, but at least there is some focus.

If that is so then reference to “real” Traditionalism can be broached. And reference to Bannon, JD Vance, Peter Thiel and others who influence ideas in our present.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Maybe when in his fragmented mind he finally connects to an emotion, he thinks he's in transcendetal-metaphysical la-la-land

Beware the whip, Atla! Beware the whip!

[Atla]

Maybe when in his fragmented mind he finally connects to an emotion, he thinks he's in transcendetal-metaphysical la-la-land

Beware the whip, Atla! Beware the whip!

You're not very intimidating. Maybe you could use some of your higher dimensional Voodoo magic to get me in line.

[phyllo]

Hyper-liberalism, in my lexicon, refers to taking liberty to perverse, uncontrolled, unconsciously-driven levels and, importantly and consequentially, a burrowing into material and sensual categories.

What do you mean by modern hyper-liberalism?

I take it to be elements of the current woke culture.

- Inclusiveness for various marginal/untouchable groups ... trans, gays, etc

- Equality of all peoples

- Equality of all cultures, religions and philosophies

- Suppression of narratives, symbols, acts which can be interpreted as harming someone

I am unsure what you mean by “slave”. The Nietzschean sense as in debasing?

Or do you mean it in the Christian esoteric sense of choosing to be committed to (a slave of) the Higher Reality? Of commitment to intangible principles and ideals?

"Slave" in the sense that it's a religion that the slaves, old, lame and sick want and need ... and the masters, young, strong and healthy don't.

1) Those who cannot relate to a divine figure who is an emblem of Jewishness.

2) Who understand aspects of Judaism, and their expression in Christianity, as weakening to man and manliness, and who seek to “get out from underneath” it and forge directions in living defined formerly (i.e. in pagan traditions.

In my own view I actually do feel that the figure of Jesus is an insufficient image for man. Since it is based on (rooted mythically in) the eventuality of utter destruction of the planet and the dissolution of the cosmos.

The figure of Jesus cannot operate as a warrior-figure. So in this sense it is not manly. Jesus is I think too feminine.

The fact of the matter that the ideal Christian society is un-achievable except by renunciants and perhaps eunuchs.

Yes, the 'masters' may want to go back to an older religion.

But do they really know what they are asking for? After all, even the strong pagans converted to Christianity. Why is that? Why did the old religions die?

Maybe the grass looks greener from a distance of hundreds of years.

[Alexis Jacobi]

I take it to be elements of the current woke culture.

- Inclusiveness for various marginal/untouchable groups ... trans, gays, etc

- Equality of all peoples

- Equality of all cultures, religions and philosophies

- Suppression of narratives, symbols, acts which can be interpreted as harming someone

And this is what you believe the religion of Christianity results in? Or what is advocated by the religious philosophy?

I.e.

The "modern hyper-liberalism" can be seen as taking the teachings of Jesus to their logical conclusion.

[phyllo]

I take it to be elements of the current woke culture.

- Inclusiveness for various marginal/untouchable groups ... trans, gays, etc

- Equality of all peoples

- Equality of all cultures, religions and philosophies

- Suppression of narratives, symbols, acts which can be interpreted as harming someone

And this is what you believe the religion of Christianity results in? Or what is advocated by the religious philosophy?

I.e.

The "modern hyper-liberalism" can be seen as taking the teachings of Jesus to their logical conclusion.

If you take 'forgiveness' to a logical conclusion then you forgive all behaviors.

If you take 'helping people' to a logical conclusion then you take in migrants and immigrants.

If you take 'not harming others' to a logical conclusion then you can't say anything critical or challenging.

Isn't that what Jesus taught?

If he was here now, he would be hanging out with trannies and migrants just as he hung out with prostitutes and thieves.

[attofishpi]

If you take 'helping people' to a logical conclusion then you take in migrants and immigrants.

Oh, so EVERONE that decides they want to live within your shores should be welcomed?

Islam should be permitted to spread within our shores according to you, just because we are loving Christians?

An IDEOLOGY that permits paedophilia (Hadiths) and killing of others?


A conversation with a Muslim on this very forum:

To the contrary, Imam's are free to ram any crap down the throats of uneducated Muslims throughout the world, especially in the M.E. & Africa.

Unlike in Christianity, which is not closed under logical consequence, any logical consequence of the scriptures is valid in the Islamic doctrine.

That makes absolutely no sense. The logical consequence of a Muslim strapped with explosives and blowing himself up in an English chippy killing lots of non-muslims inside IS a logical consequence of Islamic doctrine. I suppose that is ok then?

It's to do with when a girl menstruates, then a Muslim can have sexual intercourse with her. This means that girls as young as 8 can, under consideration of non medieval cultures, be raped by a much older man - marriage or whatever doesn't discount the fact that any civilised man would not want his 8-12 year old daughter to be having sexual relations with a grown man.

Or do you believe that it is perfectly ok as per the Hadiths that a Muslim man of ANY age can have a bride at the age of 8-12 and have sexual intercourse with her?

You can view it in that way, or in any other way if you want, but that won't detract from the fact that you have no say over the matter. In the end, it is about other people's daughters, and not your own. In that sense, it is none of my business either.

If you want to impose your doctrine onto others, you will have to prove that you are willing to risk your life and die for what you believe in.

Oh I view it precisely as it is.

That Islam is a barbaric medieval non divine ideology that supports paedophilia. That you in fact support paedophilia. That anyone in modern civilised society that understands the affect on the mental development of a child when (in the case of Islam) she is forced as a child to marry or just have sex with an old Muslim man because some Hadith states its ok, is DISGUSTING.

HENCE, why I must again INSIST to anyone with a brain that is reading this, that ISLAM should be kept from the shores of all civilised democratic societies.

[Age]

If you take 'helping people' to a logical conclusion then you take in migrants and immigrants.

Oh, so EVERONE that decides they want to live within your shores should be welcomed?

Islam should be permitted to spread within our shores according to you, just because we are loving Christians?

An IDEOLOGY that permits paedophilia (Hadiths) and killing of others?

Some people really could NOT be MORE CLOSED, MORE BLIND, MORE DEAF, and thus MORE STUPID in relation to some things.

A conversation with a Muslim on this very forum:

Unlike in Christianity, which is not closed under logical consequence, any logical consequence of the scriptures is valid in the Islamic doctrine.

That makes absolutely no sense. The logical consequence of a Muslim strapped with explosives and blowing himself up in an English chippy killing lots of non-muslims inside IS a logical consequence of Islamic doctrine. I suppose that is ok then?

You can view it in that way, or in any other way if you want, but that won't detract from the fact that you have no say over the matter. In the end, it is about other people's daughters, and not your own. In that sense, it is none of my business either.

If you want to impose your doctrine onto others, you will have to prove that you are willing to risk your life and die for what you believe in.

Oh I view it precisely as it is.

That Islam is a barbaric medieval non divine ideology that supports paedophilia. That you in fact support paedophilia. That anyone in modern civilised society that understands the affect on the mental development of a child when (in the case of Islam) she is forced as a child to marry or just have sex with an old Muslim man because some Hadith states its ok, is DISGUSTING.

HENCE, why I must again INSIST to anyone with a brain that is reading this, that ISLAM should be kept from the shores of all civilised democratic societies.

[Alexis Jacobi]

If you take 'forgiveness' to a logical conclusion then you forgive all behaviors.

If you take 'helping people' to a logical conclusion then you take in migrants and immigrants.

If you take 'not harming others' to a logical conclusion then you can't say anything critical or challenging.

Isn't that what Jesus taught?

If he was here now, he would be hanging out with trannies and migrants just as he hung out with prostitutes and thieves.

Since this is honestly what you yourself believe, I prefer not to involve myself in contradiction.

But if you wish me to offer commentary I certainly will.

[phyllo]

Please do

[Dubious]

He is a genuinely innovative businessman and his two main ventures - Tesla and SpaceX - could in their different ways transform humanity's future for the better. Unforutnately like many geniuses he is very erratic and has become very distracted by his involvement in Trumpian politics.

This is a more accurate assessment of Elon Musk...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx3CVZx-aXE

Just because he established himself as a highly talented entrepreneur does not preclude him from simultaneously being an outstanding moron who by his associations and lust for power and wealth has managed to achieve the opposite. Musk has just been the latest to experience the Trump curse...that anyone in his orbit eventually goes down in flames or, at the very least, gets diminished in stature and the reputation they once may have had. Musk, in effect, has proven himself to be a clown and a pathetic, ignorant wimp.

[attofishpi]

This is a more accurate assessment of Elon Musk...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx3CVZx-aXE

Just because he established himself as a highly talented entrepreneur does not preclude him from simultaneously being an outstanding moron who by his associations and lust for power and wealth has managed to achieve the opposite. Musk has just been the latest to experience the Trump curse...that anyone in his orbit eventually goes down in flames or, at the very least, gets diminished in stature and the reputation they once may have had. Musk, in effect, has proven himself to be a clown and a pathetic, ignorant wimp.

Dubious, I am starting to think you might be somewhat dubious about the Trump n Musk relationship.

Just imagine playing golf on Mars. Truly, some people just have no vision.

[Dubious]

This is a more accurate assessment of Elon Musk...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx3CVZx-aXE

Just because he established himself as a highly talented entrepreneur does not preclude him from simultaneously being an outstanding moron who by his associations and lust for power and wealth has managed to achieve the opposite. Musk has just been the latest to experience the Trump curse...that anyone in his orbit eventually goes down in flames or, at the very least, gets diminished in stature and the reputation they once may have had. Musk, in effect, has proven himself to be a clown and a pathetic, ignorant wimp.

Dubious, I am starting to think you might be somewhat dubious about the Trump n Musk relationship.

Just imagine playing golf on Mars. Truly, some people just have no vision.

I'm not dubious at all! Since the gravity on Mars is approximately only 40% that of Earth, Trump may need a Tesla to travel to where the golf ball landed.

[attofishpi]

This is a more accurate assessment of Elon Musk...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx3CVZx-aXE

Just because he established himself as a highly talented entrepreneur does not preclude him from simultaneously being an outstanding moron who by his associations and lust for power and wealth has managed to achieve the opposite. Musk has just been the latest to experience the Trump curse...that anyone in his orbit eventually goes down in flames or, at the very least, gets diminished in stature and the reputation they once may have had. Musk, in effect, has proven himself to be a clown and a pathetic, ignorant wimp.

Dubious, I am starting to think you might be somewhat dubious about the Trump n Musk relationship.

Just imagine playing golf on Mars. Truly, some people just have no vision.

I'm not dubious at all! Since the gravity on Mars is approximately only 40% that of Earth, Trump may need a Tesla to travel to where the golf ball landed.

..It wouldn't improve my game, always ending up in the sand bunker---oh hang on, that's the entire planet!

Maybe one of the first new companies Musk would start up on settlement of Mars would be astro-turf.

[Alexis Jacobi]

1) If you take 'forgiveness' to a logical conclusion then you forgive all behaviors.

2) If you take 'helping people' to a logical conclusion then you take in migrants and immigrants.

3) If you take 'not harming others' to a logical conclusion then you can't say anything critical or challenging.

4) Isn't that what Jesus taught?

5) If he was here now, he would be hanging out with trannies and migrants just as he hung out with prostitutes and thieves.

Hard to know where to start. What you have put forward here — it is a condensation of your grasp of Christian theology (and ethics) and therefor idiosyncratic, however it is certainly completely wrong.

“Forgiveness” is a divinely-decreed release from the consequences of sinful activity. And to be “forgiven” requires genuine repentance. That is a moral process leading to forgiveness. In no sense is the logical conclusion that on-going or established behaviors, deemed to be illicit, immoral, antisocial or what have you “forgiven” in the sense of allowed or condoned.

2) In Christian theological doctrine there is respect and consideration for the community, the state, the region. It is understood that the rights of those people are to be respected. To establish as a mandatory ethic that those people must accept floods of immigrants whose presence affects the economy and social well-being of the established residents, is not “Christian”. It is actually a false or perverted sense of genuine Christian theology.

Charity (helping people) is a more complex question than your simplistic take, which amounts to being morally coerced to give over one’s resources, or opening one’s neighborhood or home, out of a misplaced sense of obligation to a needy person.

Obviously — working your example — it would be better to help that migrant learn to make his own region and state better. But to encourage abandoning his region is actually a negative action. How one gives, and why, are obvious questions.

3) And yet the figure of Jesus in the Gospels said extremely pointed things to those he attempted to admonish (heal, influence). And as God’s representative, when the whole deal went down, God exiled the recalcitrant Jews from Judea. (I refer to the narrative of early Christianity).

All theological doctrine is “admonishing” and therefore it is always pointed. It is always critical, always challenging.

4) That is apparently what you sincerely believe. It is completely incorrect!

5) He would, by his presence, be (to follow the Gospel tone and narrative) transforming the people he spent time with.

I guess it stand to reason that one does not find oneself in God’s presence and then simply carry on committing grave injustices, or sexual perversions, or robberies and cruelties.

Obviously you have not even a slight interest in nor any knowledge at all, even remotely, of the essence of Christian theology and ethics, so it follows that your view of it is literally of a looney-tune (cartoon) level.