Christianity

[Age]

I agree there’s an intelligence operating below the Planck scale , it’s subtle and not everyone dives that deep.

It seems most people live in the shallows that is atomic life.


We have had similar life experiences atto, and are probably walking the same path to God realisation.

Sure. But I am certain you have not experienced the 3 month stints in HELL that GOD put me through whenever I was fool enough to return to the tree of Know_Ledge: https://www.androcies.com/Images/Art/Tr ... wledge.jpg

'you' ARE SO OUT OF PLACE, here, "attofishpi".

'you' HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA NOR CLUE ABOUT REAL 'suffering'. AND, 'you' NEVER SUFFERED ANY thing like "fairy" HAD TO.

'you' ARE SHOWING JUST HOW Truly WEAK 'you' REALLY ARE, here, "attofishpi".

And, BY what 'you' just SAID and CLAIMED SHOWS and PROVES JUST HOW 'UNCHRISTIAN' 'you' REALLY ARE.

'you' ARE DELUSION IN and BY NOT what you just SAID and CLAIMED, here, above, but ALSO BY 'your' CLAIM that God TELLS 'you' that 'you' are a "good christian".

[Age]

You do understand that these 18 people had their souls taken prior to great suffering?

It always boggles my mind that so many are actually able to convince themselves of things like this. But then I remember I once believed it myself. And a part of me would believe it again if only someone was able to convince me their own God is the real deal.

So even though you see so many people suffering and dying via natural disasters, you do admit that you'd still prefer for GOD to exist?

That makes perfect sense. Since 1997 and have ongoing interaction with this GOD entity - even though I have experienced its EVIL side for crossing a certain line that IT/sage set for me personally (pertaining to the Tree of Know_Ledge)

WILL you EXPAND ON and/or ELABORATE FURTHER, here?

If no, then WHY NOT?

- I LOVE the fact that GOD exists..

WHO CARES?

you OBVIOUSLY HATE, let alone LOVE, some of those WHO God CREATED.

Y?

Because when I watch Mr Ballen for example (a fantastic U tube channel btw, he's a great story teller based on research of actual real accounts - ex-navy seal) - ONE particular story I saw had a man in a factory trapped in an industrial oven, where once the door had closed the heat automatically started to build. This man was charcoal or just ashes when they finally opened the oven door.
- my point being upon that account alone, is that I KNOW what is plausible from this GOD entity - that this man in the oven would *likely* have had his soul snatched prior to unimaginable pain. Y would I believe that level of power - when I had my arm fractured from a baseball bat attack and had no pain killers due to a pharmacy stuff up

OHHH 'you' MUST OF 'suffered' SO, SO MUCH 'then' "attofishpi", 'you POOR LITTLE soul'.

LOL Does 'this one' REALLY HAVE 'the hide', as some call it, TO COME INTO A PUBLIC forum, and DECLARE 'that' as 'suffering', when others have HAD TO FIGHT, and DIE, IN WARS, IN and WITH 'REAL SUFFERING', and/or there ARE 'the ones' like "fairy" who ALSO HAD TO ENDURE 'REAL SUFFERING' IN childhood.

LOL 'this one' is ACTUALLY 'TRYING TO' CLAIM that a 'fractured arm' IS some sort of ACTUAL 'suffering'. ONCE AGAIN, "attofishpi" you ARE ABSOLUTELY BEING DELUSIONAL, here.

Do you think that human beings IN PAST WARS GOT 'pain killers', or that children WHO GET ABUSED ARE GIVE 'pain killers'?

ONCE AGAIN, "attofishpi" what you, laughingly, 'went through' was relatively NOTHING AT ALL COMPARED to MILLIONS and BILLIONS OF 'others' and what they HAD TO, ACTUALLY, 'GO THROUGH'.

I WILL, AGAIN, suggest that you JUST STOP BELIEVING your OWN stories, OPEN UP, and REALLY LISTEN and LOOK, and HEAR, and SEE, OTHERS, and THEIR STORIES. AGAIN, 'your story' is relatively NOTHING in comparison.

- that night 2005 I prayed for the pain to go. (*this was the first night the sage introduced himself to me) The voice stated "would you like me to erase that?" - of course I said Yes..and the pain completely disappeared for about 10mins - when it returned the voice said "do you understand" <-- I won't go into that.

WHY WILL you NOT KEEP GOING, KEEP EXPANDING, and KEEP ELABORATING FOR, EXACTLY?

Do you HAVE some thing TO HIDE, here?

So.

KNOWING that GOD exists, where we witness the most awful things happening to humans around the world, I feel it unlikely, that their suffering is at the level of Christs.

NONE OF 'this' LOGICALLY FOLLOWS, and therefore does NOT MAKE LOGICAL SENSE.

So, BECAUSE you know God exists, the ACTUAL SUFFERING A child EXPERIENCES WHEN WITNESSING the DEATH of 'their parents' FROM BEING BURNED TO DEATH BY AN EXPLODING BOMB, BEFORE they, "themself", FEELS the PAIN, ITSELF, OF BEING BURNED ALIVE, is to you UNLIKELY TO BE A 'level of suffering' that some so-called 'God', known as "jesus christ" would have 'gone through'.

you could NOT come across MORE SHALLOW, MORE NARROWED, NOR MORE CLOSED, here, "attofishpi".

"attofishpi" SO DESPERATELY WANTS TO BE A so-called "christian", that even when it WITNESSES the ABSOLUTELY HORROR, and ABSURDITY, of adult human beings DROPPING BOMBS ON CHILDREN'S HEADS, "attofishpi", STILL, PUTS its CONCERNS and WORRIES INTO "jesus christ", (who was AN ADULT, DOING what it SUPPOSEDLY KNEW it WAS DOING, and what 'that doing' WOULD CAUSE), OVER, ACTUAL COMPLETELY INNOCENT and UNCAUSING OF ANY Wrong DOING AT ALL, CHILDREN.

you ARE COMPLETELY and UTTERLY LOST and DELUSION, here, "attofishpi".

your PRIORITIES ARE ABSOLUTELY 'OUT OF ORDER'.

(* the worst story I have ever witnessed from MrBallen was that of a woman that poured acid over her former lover - never have I seen such an evil act and the consequences - thus am puzzled where it comes to GOD - perhaps the what remained of the man was an NPC!! crazy consideration, but plausible in account of what I have witnessed within reality.)

So, WHEN some 'man' ends up in some incinerator, and is BURNED TO DEATH, then God just did this. But, when some 'woman' POURS acid OVER some face, then that, all of a sudden, becomes a so-called 'evil act', and NOT just ANOTHER ACT OF God.

If God operates below the so-called 'planck scale' and you BELIEVE and CLAIM God does, then WHY DID God CAUSE and CREATE 'this act', which you CLAIM is AN 'evil act'?

[Age]

I agree there’s an intelligence operating below the Planck scale , it’s subtle and not everyone dives that deep.

It seems most people live in the shallows that is atomic life.


We have had similar life experiences atto, and are probably walking the same path to God realisation.

Sure. But I am certain you have not experienced the 3 month stints in HELL that GOD put me through whenever I was fool enough to return to the tree of Know_Ledge: https://www.androcies.com/Images/Art/Tr ... wledge.jpg

Maybe I have experienced stints of hell.

'you' OBVIOUSLY HAVE "fairy".

And, FAR WORSE STINTS than "attofishpi" could even IMAGINE.

Why do you assume otherwise.

Just for the record, "attofishpi" will NOT ANSWER and CLARIFY 'this', FOR you.

In fact I recently suffered 5 years of hell, due to an injury to my leg. I’m recovered now but it seemed like the journey to wellness emotionally and physically lasted forever, but I never gave up hope that I would one day be able to walk without excruciating pain ever again. I’m walking fine now.

Here, 'we' have ANOTHER one who has OBVIOUSLY NOT YET FULLY 'grown up', and 'matured'.

BUT, WITH A 'childhood' like 'this one' HAD TO ENDURE, there is NO SURPRISE, AT ALL.

[Age]

Sure. But I am certain you have not experienced the 3 month stints in HELL that GOD put me through whenever I was fool enough to return to the tree of Know_Ledge: https://www.androcies.com/Images/Art/Tr ... wledge.jpg

Maybe I have experienced stints of hell. Why do you assume otherwise. In fact I recently suffered 5 years of hell, due to an injury to my leg. I’m recovered now but it seemed like the journey to wellness emotionally and physically lasted forever, but I never gave up hope that I would one day be able to walk without excruciating pain ever again. I’m walking fine now.

Honestly Fairy, I could not even start to explain the differences.

BECAUSE you do NOT KNOW WHAT 'they' EVEN ARE, AT ALL, let alone EXACTLY.

The Day of Reckoning for example is something to behold..

LOL Some so-called 'day of reckoning' is NOT ABOUT 'individuals'. Although I KNOW the SELFISH and GREEDY ones HOPE and/or BELIEVE that it is.

I never want to return there - the power this GOD entity has over my synapses such that THE MOST EVIL thoughts can be driven into my consciousness --- well ---- I shudder even attempting to consider it again.

LOL
LOL
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So, 'now' 'this one' is, LAUGHINGLY, 'TRYING TO' BLAME something ELSE for the VERY OWN 'thoughts' of its OWN MAKING.

AND, is 'this one' JOKING ABOUT 'TRYING TO' CLAIM that it WAS God, Itself, who PUT the MOST EVIL 'thoughts' INTO 'this one'?

LOL Is God NOT MEANT TO BE the OPPOSITE, and/or ENCOURAGE the EXACT OPPOSITE.

AGAIN, you ARE BEING ABSOLUTELY DELUSIONAL, here, "attofishpi". Which is OF NO SURPRISE, AT ALL, especially considering that you were ALREADY DIAGNOSED AS HAVING 'schizophrenia'.

I wrote a poem that might shed a VERY LITTLE light upon the subject:-

Basically, GOD makes you feel that at ANY moment you are about to BURN IN HELL FOREVER.

DAY OF RECKONING

Two days of reckoning
I have felt
was it God's consciousness
that then I was dealt?
Feeling the chaos
the synapses switching
the heat of the Sun
and I'm just a son
why upon me
why should I see
the sea of the ocean
is in complete retreat
all of my knowledge
force fed to my pledge
my toes curling
over my soles near edge
the furnace burning
upon each thought is fraught
with the insatiable knowing
from which I was taught
for what I did
I must pay
too late to pray
I am the universe's prey
each thought twisted
upon itself
and I feel my flesh
no longer my self
but what does it matter
that is all I am
is my soul an ION
am I the ram
the beast
now fleeced
what did I pose
to this
far too many
QUEST_IONs
a bliss amiss
don't eat from the tree
or suck it and see
you'll be the sap
fool into its trap
where is my Christ
He doesn't help mice
that look down and wander
attempt to look up
and wonder
Y?


www.androcies.com

WHY are you SEEKING HELP FROM others, and/or FOR others TO HELP you?

[Age]

AGE: wrote:

And, as I have POINTED OUT A FEW TIMES, here, in this forum ALREADY, it would NOT MATTER ONE SINGLE IOTA IF you human beings were IN A 'simulation' OR NOT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY there IS something ELSE ABOVE, BEYOND, or OUTSIDE of the very one/thing, which CREATED, or CAUSED, 'the simulation'. AND, what 'It' IS, EXACTLY, which IS OUTSIDE OF, ABOVE, NOT A PART OF, AND BEYOND 'that one/thing' IS, ONCE AGAIN, the Universe, Itself, which AS ALWAYS, and IRREFUTABLY, IS INFINITE, and ETERNAL.

I intuitively understand that our experience of say touching a table, or smelling the sweet fragrance of a rose, is not a sensation that is in the table or the rose, nor are these sensations in the body.

BUT YET you, STILL, went and USED the COMPLETE INCONSISTENT and CONTRADICTORY WORDS, '... our experience of say touching a table, ...'.

1. The human body 'touches a table'. Through 'the sense of touch', a feeling, or a sensation, is passed on to 'the brain'. Before ANY 'sense' of 'table' EVERY came INTO 'that body', again through any of the five senses, then what was ACTUALLY 'experienced' was just 'touch', alone.

2. If 'the experience' of 'touching' some thing, or of 'smelling' some thing, is, supposedly, NOT 'a sensation' in 'the body', itself, then WHERE IS 'the sensation', EXACTLY?

But that there is something else that is beyond the limitations of bodies and minds of space-time experiencing.

1. ALL 'sensations' ARE WITHIN 'the senses' OF 'the physical matter' OF 'the physical body'. The very reason WHY the 'five senses' are called 'senses' is BECAUSE that is WHERE 'sensations' ACTUALLY ARISE, and EXIST. 'Nerve endings' are 'there' to 'sense' things.

2. There is ONLY One Mind, and One MIND, ONLY.

3. 'Space-time' is A 'term' or 'phrase', which even so-called "experts" can NOT EXPLAIN. Just like the words and terms, 'time', 'space', and, 'mind', for example. Although what 'they' ACTUALLY, and IRREFUTABLY, ARE, EXACTLY, is VERY SIMPLE and EASY TO LEARN, COMPREHEND, KNOW, and UNDERSTAND.

And that something else is the universe itself, which as always and irrefutably is infinite and eternal.

I agree Age.

[Age]

I agree atto, the feeding from the tree of knowledge is a trap, binding one to ego, away from the true self which is God.

So, APPARENTLY, God, Itself, PLANTED some so-called 'Tree of knowledge', while, at the 'same time', also creating a species called human beings, with the Intelligence, and with the ability, to GRASP, RETAIN, RECALL, EXPRESS, and SHARE 'knowledge' WITH other human beings and/or other brains, but 'now', well according to 'these two' anyway, NOT A one of this Truly Intelligent, Inquisitive, CURIOUS, and 'knowledge attaining and storing beings' are meant to partake IN, nor take FROM, some 'tree of knowledge'.

Which, TO some, would DEFEAT the VERY PURPOSE of BOTH of 'these things' even coming-to-exist, in the beginning.

I trust only in Gods silence,

So, 'we' have ANOTHER one who will JUST NOT LISTEN TO God, Itself.

that speaks to me more deeply than the tree of knowledge.

REALLY?

So, what does 'God's silence' SAY, TO you, EXACTLY?

And, what IS ON the 'tree of knowledge', EXACTLY?

[Age]

I am very capable of conversing in good structured English with grammar and spelling intact. You are overlooking the reasons that I choose not to when attempting to discuss things of the nature that I am attempting to highlight to people.

Why don't you real eyes this? <--- see, I did it there!




(*again, not me - everyone and they're not secret)

Using the term spelling is another attempt to deflect from the entire point I am making. It goes a lot deeper than mere spelling of words, it's words being broken down structurally and into phonetic sounds, homophones, word reversals etc..

Why are you so insistent on detracting from the argument I am making?

I am no longer interested. You refuse to stand informed of a fact that does not fit your theory.

You are no longer interested because you finally are comprehending the point I am making regarding there being CUMALATIVE evidence where logical connections are made, discounting your argument that only natural language etymology has occurred.

The fact is, you need to save face.

What 'these two', here, KEEP MISSING is the IRREFUTABLE Fact that ANY and ALL 'language' IS 'natural language', just like absolutely EVERY thing IS 'natural', and which ALL OF 'it' IS just ANOTHER PART OF God, Itself.

[iambiguous]

You do understand that these 18 people had their souls taken prior to great suffering?

It always boggles my mind that so many are actually able to convince themselves of things like this. But then I remember I once believed it myself. And a part of me would believe it again if only someone was able to convince me their own God is the real deal.

So even though you see so many people suffering and dying via natural disasters, you do admit that you'd still prefer for GOD to exist?

"Here and now" I have thought myself into believing that in a No God world human interactions are...

1] essentially meaningless and purposeless

2] that morality is profoundly problematic in a world bursting at the seams with contingency, chance and change

3] that death means oblivion.

"'Into oblivion' means to be completely forgotten, destroyed, or cease to exist, emphasizing a state of being no longer remembered or considered important".

Of course, this deeply disturbs any number of mere mortals so, among other things, they invent Gods to make it all go away. And, in believing He does exist "in their heads", they are comforted and consoled all the way to the grave.

Unless, of course, they are actually able to demonstrate to me that a God, the God, their God does in fact exist.

That's basically why I react to IC as I do. He tells you that the Christian God does in fact exist and that beyond leaps of faith and wagers there is substantive and substantial "historical and scientific" confirming this.

But he refuses to explore that evidence with me.

KNOWING that GOD exists, where we witness the most awful things happening to humans around the world, I feel it unlikely, that their suffering is at the level of Christs.

As I once noted:

It’s like those who go on and on and on about the terrible suffering Christ endured when He was crucified. All the while though, given His actual existence, He knows that this suffering is but an unimaginably teeny-tiny speck of time given the duration of, say, all the rest of eternity?

And, unlike the suffering endured by those historically who were persecuted for following Him, He did not have to fall back on a leap of faith, did He?

Really, how much pain could you endure if you knew for certain that God existed? If you knew for certain that Salvation was the real deal?

So, sure, if a God, the God is demonstrated to exist, how is it not better for me to accept Him for what He is? Given the alternative.

On the other hand, which God: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions

[Fairy]

https://in.lcms.org/gods-duality-consta ... 0and%20Son.

Unified Duality.




Scratch the non duality logo. It’s nonsensical. I’m done with that BS

[attofishpi]

It always boggles my mind that so many are actually able to convince themselves of things like this. But then I remember I once believed it myself. And a part of me would believe it again if only someone was able to convince me their own God is the real deal.

So even though you see so many people suffering and dying via natural disasters, you do admit that you'd still prefer for GOD to exist?

"Here and now" I have thought myself into believing that in a No God world human interactions are...

1] essentially meaningless and purposeless

2] that morality is profoundly problematic in a world bursting at the seams with contingency, chance and change

3] that death means oblivion.

On your point 1, I see human interactions remaining meaningful and purposeful in a "NO GOD" world.

On your point 2, in a "NO GOD" world I see the world devolving into delinquency, gang-banging, rape, murder etc increasing - via NO FAITH.

On your point 3, I myself have prayed many times over the past 28 years of experience of GOD to indeed, be granted to be dead for the rest of eternity - such is the suffering this entity made me endure. Truly to this day, I don't see much problem with oblivion for eternity - it's just a sleep that one doesn't wake from, big deal. (*and I don't care about being forgotten by those that still walk on their soles)

Of course, this deeply disturbs any number of mere mortals so, among other things, they invent Gods to make it all go away. And, in believing He does exist "in their heads", they are comforted and consoled all the way to the grave.

Man never invented the Abrahamic GOD - the Jews were made aware, then Christ came along and some came to real eyes he's the dude. Forget Islam.

Also, I've said it before - other religions such as Hinduism\Sikhism, I have little doubt that "prophets" - people that were interacted via this GOD entity through time also spoke to others within their culture of this entity and their experiences, hence other forms of religion developed within various cultures around the world.

THESE WERE NOT INVENTED BY MAN to soothe the existential fear of oblivion (* to borrow a VA angle!! )

Unless, of course, they are actually able to demonstrate to me that a God, the God, their God does in fact exist.

Then please iambiguous, watch the following two videos..perhaps will enlighten a slumbering synapse or two!

Acta Pilate (Letter of Pilate to Caesar about Jesus, His Crucifixion & Resurrection) - ARCHKO VOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQUJGce ... ex=30&t=0s


Shroud of Turin – Dr John Campbell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT1R2kDPHFA&t=0s

That's basically why I react to IC as I do. He tells you that the Christian God does in fact exist and that beyond leaps of faith and wagers there is substantive and substantial "historical and scientific" confirming this.

But he refuses to explore that evidence with me.

..and you would likely scoff at the evidence (granted CUMULATIVE) that I provide since analysing our entire reality AFTER GOD started interacting with me in 1997.

KNOWING that GOD exists, where we witness the most awful things happening to humans around the world, I feel it unlikely, that their suffering is at the level of Christs.

As I once noted:

It’s like those who go on and on and on about the terrible suffering Christ endured when He was crucified. All the while though, given His actual existence, He knows that this suffering is but an unimaginably teeny-tiny speck of time given the duration of, say, all the rest of eternity?

And, unlike the suffering endured by those historically who were persecuted for following Him, He did not have to fall back on a leap of faith, did He?

Really, how much pain could you endure if you knew for certain that God existed? If you knew for certain that Salvation was the real deal?

So, sure, if a God, the God is demonstrated to exist, how is it not better for me to accept Him for what He is? Given the alternative.

On the other hand, which God: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions

From one of my latest "tests" in borderline HELL mode - where I hadn't even eaten of the Tree of Know_Ledge this time - GOD for some reason decided to give me a FINAL harrowing TEST.

My end result answer: NO sentient creature BURNS in hell forever - GOD would not even create a universe if that was ever a default requirement. GOD seems to be pleased that Je Sus I sussed that out.

So.

I decided to ask our friend ChatGPT
My prompt:- Please list any passage within the Bible that states we humans will burn in hell forever? Provide your response formatted for me to paste into a phpBB forum with .. and .. elements where appropriate.

The Bible contains several references to concepts like eternal punishment, but the idea of humans burning in hell forever is more of an interpretation that has developed over time, rather than a clear-cut, direct statement in the text. Some verses are often cited in support of this idea, though interpretations may vary depending on theological perspectives.

Here are some passages that are often linked to the concept of eternal punishment:

1. Matthew 25:46 (NIV) – “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
- This is part of the parable of the sheep and the goats, where Jesus speaks of the separation between the righteous and the wicked, with the wicked receiving eternal punishment.

2. Revelation 14:11 (NIV) – “And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
- This passage speaks of the eternal torment of those who follow the "beast" and are punished forever.

3. Mark 9:43-48 (NIV) – “If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’”
- Jesus mentions hell (or Gehenna) here and the idea of unquenchable fire, which has been interpreted by some as a reference to eternal punishment.

4. Revelation 20:10 (NIV) – “And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
- This verse speaks about the eternal punishment of the devil, but some interpret it to mean that others who are cast into the same "lake of fire" could experience similar eternal torment.

5. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (NIV) – “They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.”
- This verse refers to the punishment of the wicked at the return of Jesus, often associated with eternal destruction or separation from God.

While these verses are often cited to support the idea of eternal torment, the exact nature of hell and whether it involves eternal conscious punishment is a topic of significant theological debate. Some Christian denominations interpret these passages differently, suggesting that the "eternal punishment" could mean separation from God rather than literal eternal suffering. Others interpret it symbolically rather than literally.

The red bit I highlighted IS the accurate interpretation - separation may include no longer reincarnating as human - 666 perhaps.

[iambiguous]

So even though you see so many people suffering and dying via natural disasters, you do admit that you'd still prefer for GOD to exist?

"Here and now" I have thought myself into believing that in a No God world human interactions are...

1] essentially meaningless and purposeless

2] that morality is profoundly problematic in a world bursting at the seams with contingency, chance and change

3] that death means oblivion.

On your point 1, I see human interactions remaining meaningful and purposeful in a "NO GOD" world.

Existential meaning? Yeah, it's everywhere. But my point revolves instead around an essential meaning such that all of these folks...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... ideologies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... philosophy

...are finally able to agree on a one-size-fits-all universal meaning.

On your point 2, in a "NO GOD" world I see the world devolving into delinquency, gang-banging, rape, murder etc increasing - via NO FAITH.

First, we'll need to run this by IC's omnipotent God to find out why He does absolutely squat regarding those things. Then the part where He is entirely responsible for all "acts of God" because He was the one who created a planet that pummels us over and over again with all manner of ghastly pain and suffering.

On your point 3, I myself have prayed many times over the past 28 years of experience of GOD to indeed, be granted to be dead for the rest of eternity - such is the suffering this entity made me endure. Truly to this day, I don't see much problem with oblivion for eternity - it's just a sleep that one doesn't wake from, big deal. (*and I don't care about being forgotten by those that still walk on their soles)

Imagine this....

With each new catastrophic natural disaster, you go there to remind others of this. See how many pat you on the back, thanking you for bringing that to their attention.

Of course, any number of men and women accept what they are told about God here because the only alternative is to glumly, grimly believe that..."shit happens"?

Of course, this deeply disturbs any number of mere mortals so, among other things, they invent Gods to make it all go away. And, in believing He does exist "in their heads", they are comforted and consoled all the way to the grave.

Man never invented the Abrahamic GOD - the Jews were made aware, then Christ came along and some came to real eyes he's the dude. Forget Islam.

Which just reminds us that the God of Abraham is worshipped and adored by Christians, Muslims and Jews. Then the part where come Judgment Day, Jews and Muslims will be expected to accept Jesus Christ as their savior.

Or else, let's say.

Unless, of course, they are actually able to demonstrate to me that a God, the God, their God does in fact exist.

Then please iambiguous, watch the following two videos..perhaps will enlighten a slumbering synapse or two!

Acta Pilate (Letter of Pilate to Caesar about Jesus, His Crucifixion & Resurrection) - ARCHKO VOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQUJGce ... ex=30&t=0s


Shroud of Turin – Dr John Campbell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT1R2kDPHFA&t=0s

Sum them both up in 25 words or less such that I'll be so impressed I'd be willing to watch them.

That's basically why I react to IC as I do. He tells you that the Christian God does in fact exist and that beyond leaps of faith and wagers there is substantive and substantial "historical and scientific" confirming this.

But he refuses to explore that evidence with me.

..and you would likely scoff at the evidence (granted CUMULATIVE) that I provide since analysing our entire reality AFTER GOD started interacting with me in 1997.

Okay, sure, tell me about that. And did you perchance happen to record these interactions with God and upload them on YouTube? No? How about the next one then.

What actual evidence can you provide us with that this happened? And there is simply no way I would scoff at evidence that make my three points above go away.

Though many here scoff at my own insistence that I want to be saved.

KNOWING that GOD exists, where we witness the most awful things happening to humans around the world, I feel it unlikely, that their suffering is at the level of Christs.

As I once noted:

It’s like those who go on and on and on about the terrible suffering Christ endured when He was crucified. All the while though, given His actual existence, He knows that this suffering is but an unimaginably teeny-tiny speck of time given the duration of, say, all the rest of eternity?

And, unlike the suffering endured by those historically who were persecuted for following Him, He did not have to fall back on a leap of faith, did He?

Really, how much pain could you endure if you knew for certain that God existed? If you knew for certain that Salvation was the real deal?

So, sure, if a God, the God is demonstrated to exist, how is it not better for me to accept Him for what He is? Given the alternative.

On the other hand, which God: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... _traditios

I decided to ask our friend ChatGPT
My prompt:- Please list any passage within the Bible that states we humans will burn in hell forever? Provide your response formatted for me to paste into a phpBB forum with .. and .. elements where appropriate.

The Bible contains several references to concepts like eternal punishment, but the idea of humans burning in hell forever is more of an interpretation that has developed over time, rather than a clear-cut, direct statement in the text. Some verses are often cited in support of this idea, though interpretations may vary depending on theological perspectives.

AI: "Yes, the Bible does mention "hell" (or "Gehenna" in the New Testament) as a place of punishment for the wicked, often described as a place of fire and torment, and eternal punishment.

Okay scrap Hell and tell us what the Bible does say those punishments will be? After all, it might be something that some will be willing to endure. Why? Because from their
frame of mind Heaven itself sounds like Hell.

3. Mark 9:43-48 (NIV) “If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’”

Sure sounds like Hell to me.

Then this part:

Some Christian denominations interpret these passages differently, suggesting that the "eternal punishment" could mean separation from God rather than literal eternal suffering. Others interpret it symbolically rather than literally.

Again, think this through. With moral commandments on this side of the grave, and with immortality and salvation on the other side, why on Earth does God not make it abundantly clear which one of these paths -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions -- is the One True Path?

[attofishpi]

"Here and now" I have thought myself into believing that in a No God world human interactions are...

1] essentially meaningless and purposeless

2] that morality is profoundly problematic in a world bursting at the seams with contingency, chance and change

3] that death means oblivion.

On your point 1, I see human interactions remaining meaningful and purposeful in a "NO GOD" world.

Existential meaning? Yeah, it's everywhere. But my point revolves instead around an essential meaning such that all of these folks...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... ideologies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... philosophy

...are finally able to agree on a one-size-fits-all universal meaning.

None of that matters whether GOD does or doesn't exist - the conversations remain the same, on the point of GOD, some are wrong and some are right, all without knowing either way whether they are correct -- woopee doo.

On your point 2, in a "NO GOD" world I see the world devolving into delinquency, gang-banging, rape, murder etc increasing - via NO FAITH.

First, we'll need to run this by IC's omnipotent God to find out why He does absolutely squat regarding those things.

I know GOD to be omnipotent to our reality. To state as you do with any ounce of certainty that GOD does squat regarding such things is extremely arrogant and I will add, short of sight.

See how this settles within your lack of comprehension of GOD: A man takes a child, rapes, murders the child. In the reality that the child exists, NONE of that happened. In the reality of the evil paedophile - all of that happened - he will be judged to be born as a beast, perhaps for the rest of Earth's entropy. Police investigate the incident - all of which is 'virtual' - they never catch the evil character, or they do - either way - matters not.
From what i have witnessed of omnipotence since 1997 - much of what we PERCEIVE of evil things happening COULD be mmm, fake, not real. Thank GOD.

On your point 3, I myself have prayed many times over the past 28 years of experience of GOD to indeed, be granted to be dead for the rest of eternity - such is the suffering this entity made me endure. Truly to this day, I don't see much problem with oblivion for eternity - it's just a sleep that one doesn't wake from, big deal. (*and I don't care about being forgotten by those that still walk on their soles)

Imagine this....

With each new catastrophic natural disaster, you go there to remind others of this. See how many pat you on the back, thanking you for bringing that to their attention.

Of course, any number of men and women accept what they are told about God here because the only alternative is to glumly, grimly believe that..."shit happens"?

I don't see what your point is. TO be honest, I have never heard anyone in all the years I have been posting on this forum post that they have suffered terribly from a natural disaster. We (in the most part) have things pretty good. If you wish to focus on all the negative stuff that happens around the world, and of course then blame GOD, well that is your decision, but it is not particularly wise and is extremely short of sight as to what is actually PLAUSIBLE where an omnipotent GOD is concerned during n after a natural disaster.

Of course, this deeply disturbs any number of mere mortals so, among other things, they invent Gods to make it all go away. And, in believing He does exist "in their heads", they are comforted and consoled all the way to the grave.

Well, you are the one with the ongoing existential angst! Maybe you should pay better attention to certain things that may convince you that man never invented any of it, that some of us do get the in sight...the personal empirical evidence. You choose not to listen, to pay attention to any account or evidence such as what I have been banging on about on this forum for the past 15 years, that's your daft decision - you are too proud.

Man never invented the Abrahamic GOD - the Jews were made aware, then Christ came along and some came to real eyes he's the dude. Forget Islam.

Which just reminds us that the God of Abraham is worshipped and adored by Christians, Muslims and Jews. Then the part where come Judgment Day, Jews and Muslims will be expected to accept Jesus Christ as their savior.

Busllshit.

Unless, of course, they are actually able to demonstrate to me that a God, the God, their God does in fact exist.

Then please iambiguous, watch the following two videos..perhaps will enlighten a slumbering synapse or two!

Acta Pilate (Letter of Pilate to Caesar about Jesus, His Crucifixion & Resurrection) - ARCHKO VOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQUJGce ... ex=30&t=0s


Shroud of Turin – Dr John Campbell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT1R2kDPHFA&t=0s

Sum them both up in 25 words or less such that I'll be so impressed I'd be willing to watch them.

No thanks, you are the one that is searching for answers - you make the effort - put the kettle on, have a cuppa, and watch. I'd be interested in your analysis but ONLY if you watch the entirety of them. I must say, I was surprised by both.

That's basically why I react to IC as I do. He tells you that the Christian God does in fact exist and that beyond leaps of faith and wagers there is substantive and substantial "historical and scientific" confirming this.

But he refuses to explore that evidence with me.

Mmm, I've been planning on starting a detailed thread, based on my analysis of GOD since 1997 - the contents of which most Christians would consider heresy!

If you want my best opinion re WHICH religion is THE religion to engage with per GOD.

Yes, I'd say Christ is the KEY. The man went to his death stating to all to love and respect each other. If that doesn't inspire FAITH - in LOVE & TRUST towards each other - KEY to what I would consider DIVINE, then nothing else should!!

The 'miracles' accounted for throughout his life are plausible when you understand that GOD operates from below the Planck scale (*OK that's a personal belief of mine based on the countless miracles I have witnessed)

..and you would likely scoff at the evidence (granted CUMULATIVE) that I provide since analysing our entire reality AFTER GOD started interacting with me in 1997.

Okay, sure, tell me about that. And did you perchance happen to record these interactions with God and upload them on YouTube? No? How about the next one then.

What actual evidence can you provide us with that this happened? And there is simply no way I would scoff at evidence that make my three points above go away.

Though many here scoff at my own insistence that I want to be saved.

What do you mean 'saved'? Which one or more of these are you implying?:-

A) hey I want to have eternal life as a human. Well, does that mean reincarnating each time - all memories of your former life wiped, having to learn all over again...and again....and again...etc..
B) hey, I want this heaven thing where my life and knowledge continues, I can hang out with the sages and Christ and continue to learn about the universe in total protection from - stuff like, natural disasters!
C) hey, I dont want to burn in hell!


Now if you don't mind, I am just going to omit the Bible stuff for now from our previous discussion.

As I pointed out to IC, the fund_a_mental_list approach to the buy bull is rather daft. For one thing, Christ was constantly reprehending his disciples for not quite comprehending his message(s) - thus, although the Gospels were my favourite reading material within the Bible, we should still think with critical minds about the contents that these followers of Christ inscribed.

I think I mentioned earlier (*yes another personal account) that fairly recently, just last year when I had not even eaten of the Tree of Know_Ledge, that GOD put me to the test over a period of a couple of weeks - whilst I was renovating my bathroom - wow, it was rather difficult just to do that. During the 'tests' I came to the conclusion, yet again, that NO sentient being literally burns in HELL. Finally, the TEST stopped, and the voice of GOD stated something more profound than "you are a good Christian" - I won't state what was actually said - but elevate that some (Brian is meek believe it or not)

[Fairy]

None of that matters whether GOD does or doesn't exist - the conversations remain the same, on the point of GOD, some are wrong and some are right, all without knowing either way whether they are correct -- woopee doo.

Quite right.

It matters not whether we believe in God or not. What is there to lose anyway. There is absolutely nothing to lose, either way, whether we believe or not believe.

If there's no God, things will remain the same as it ever was. If there is a God, things will remain the same as it ever was.

Until we meet God personally, we'll just be continuously dependant on our own authority. That's what it states in the Bible, you chose to leave the garden to find your own way in life, to figure it out.

God hasn't left the garden, God waits patiently for your return, because in God's wisdom, all who left, will crave the garden once again.

That's why we are always at war, with our other self, selves. It's the battle between wanting peace and fighting to maintain that peace at what ever cost to others that fight will bring. Ultimately, it's all about what we want. What do we want? Peace or War?

It's your choice.

[Belinda]

Atto, you won't literally burn in hell., nobody can do that. Hell is the feeling of being separated from God. Jesus tells that being with God is being good to others.

You are a good person so don't be afraid .

[attofishpi]

Atto, you won't literally burn in hell., nobody can do that. Hell is the feeling of being separated from God. Jesus tells that being with God is being good to others.

You are a good person so don't be afraid .

My word Belinda, please don't skim what I have said, if you had read it's entirety you'd see that's the conclusion I came to on my last TEST - reckoning with GOD - and it made a profound statement to me on finalising that test.

..but thanks for your concern!