Christianity

[attofishpi]

I agree there’s an intelligence operating below the Planck scale , it’s subtle and not everyone dives that deep.

It seems most people live in the shallows that is atomic life.


We have had similar life experiences atto, and are probably walking the same path to God realisation.

Sure. But I am certain you have not experienced the 3 month stints in HELL that GOD put me through whenever I was fool enough to return to the tree of Know_Ledge: https://www.androcies.com/Images/Art/Tr ... wledge.jpg

[Age]

Attofishpi, you say *the other scatterbrains ----in our midst". To be sure there are those. If the scatterbrains were more able at precise use of English they would be able to focus better.

You however, one does not know you are a scatterbrain or not, as your focus on standard English spelling amounts to obsession. I tried to sort out your thinking by referring you to the history of standard spelling and you took no notice

I am very capable of conversing in good structured English with grammar and spelling intact. You are overlooking the reasons that I choose not to when attempting to discuss things of the nature that I am attempting to highlight to people.

Why don't you real eyes this? <--- see, I did it there!

WHY have you NOT YET realized that 'you' are, literally, with and in ME, and so are, literally, MinE, AS WELL?

WHEN WILL 'you' STOP being so far behind, and cold, and START getting closer, and warmer, and thus (be) NOT-ICE that 'you' are OUT-SIDE of COGNITION, and NOT RE-CONNECTING and RE-COG-NIZING that when 'you' are CLOSED you are NOT CLOSE enough TO COME-TO COMPREHEND, UNDERSTAND, and KNOW that WITH-OUT 'I', the One and ONLY Mind's 'Eye', 'you' REALLY ARE AS LOST and AS CON-FUSED as you OBVIOUSLY are, HERE - NOW.

WHY do 'you' NOT REAL-EYES 'this' "attofishpi". WITH the One and ONLY Mind - I, you would have SEEN, EXACTLY, what I just did, HERE.

Do you think God sends you secret messages via standard spelling?

(*again, not me - everyone and they're not secret)

Using the term spelling is another attempt to deflect from the entire point I am making. It goes a lot deeper than mere spelling of words, it's words being broken down structurally and into phonetic sounds, homophones, word reversals etc..

For example, if "attofishpi" had been LISTENING and LOOKING, properly AND Correctly, then it would have NOT-ICED and REAL-IZED that 'I' AM the, ACTUAL, One and ONLY Spirt(in)-u-all One.

Why are you so insistent on detracting from the argument I am making?

ONCE AGAIN, for the VERY SLOW, JUST SAYING and CLAIMING is NOT necessarily 'ARGUING' ANY thing.

If, and WHEN, you PRESENT an ACTUAL 'argument', here, "attofishpi", then THERE WILL BE some thing TO 'LOOK AT', and 'DISCUSS'. But, UNTIL then there is CERTAINLY NO 'argument', FROM you, TO DISTRACT FROM.

By the way, If there is SO MUCH WITHIN the "english language", which WAS SENT BY God, then do you NOT think that God would have ALREADY PRE-SENT 'A sound AND valid argument', here, ALREADY, for ALL of 'us' TO JUST 'LOOK AT', and SEE?

Which brings ME to MY NEXT QUESTION, FOR you. 'Could the ACTUAL Truth of things, ALREADY, BE WITH-IN (with and in) 'language', itself, JUST WAITING FOR you human beings, here, to JUST CATCH UP, TO RECOGNIZE and SEE It, ALSO, AS WELL.

In Fact COULD the so-call "mysteries of Life' JUST ALREADY BE, WAITING, WITHIN, TO JUST BE FINALLY REVEALED TO, and BY, ALL OF you human being, ONCE you ALL just STOP BELIEVING what you DO and JUST START BE-COMING, and BE-ing Truly OPEN, Intelligent Beings, ONCE MORE, like you ALL USED TO BE, once upon a time?

Could the, PREVIOUS, 'mysteries of Life' JUST BE 'My-Story', JUST WAITING, TO BE HEARD, and RECOGNIZED, FROM BE-HIND, and 'BE-TWEEN THE LINES'. Could the ACTUAL INTENDED 'MESSAGE/S' JUST BE WITH-IN 'the ACTUAL WORDS', which HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID, and WRITTEN, but which BE-CAUSE SOME just do NOT BELIEVE, 'THE MESSAGE/S' are JUST NOT BE HEARD, nor READ?

[Age]

Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.

I am really impressed that you have taken, upon yourself, to define what a Christian is. Some people believe that Christ set the standard and they spend their lives trying to figure out what that standard was and if it could be achieved.
But now the world has another hero, making all that work of self-discovery disappear in a few simple sentences.

GREAT JOB. have you explored the possibility that something is very wrong with yourself?

For example, is subjective identification with something perceptible or some hazy intelligible, really a mind doing its own work? Or is it symptomatic of a very inadequate mind?

AGAIN, there is ONLY One Mind, and It is CERTAINLY NEITHER OF 'these'.

[attofishpi]

You do understand that these 18 people had their souls taken prior to great suffering?

It always boggles my mind that so many are actually able to convince themselves of things like this. But then I remember I once believed it myself. And a part of me would believe it again if only someone was able to convince me their own God is the real deal.

So even though you see so many people suffering and dying via natural disasters, you do admit that you'd still prefer for GOD to exist?

That makes perfect sense. Since 1997 and have ongoing interaction with this GOD entity - even though I have experienced its EVIL side for crossing a certain line that IT/sage set for me personally (pertaining to the Tree of Know_Ledge) - I LOVE the fact that GOD exists..

Y?

Because when I watch Mr Ballen for example (a fantastic U tube channel btw, he's a great story teller based on research of actual real accounts - ex-navy seal) - ONE particular story I saw had a man in a factory trapped in an industrial oven, where once the door had closed the heat automatically started to build. This man was charcoal or just ashes when they finally opened the oven door.
- my point being upon that account alone, is that I KNOW what is plausible from this GOD entity - that this man in the oven would *likely* have had his soul snatched prior to unimaginable pain. Y would I believe that level of power - when I had my arm fractured from a baseball bat attack and had no pain killers due to a pharmacy stuff up - that night 2005 I prayed for the pain to go. (*this was the first night the sage introduced himself to me) The voice stated "would you like me to erase that?" - of course I said Yes..and the pain completely disappeared for about 10mins - when it returned the voice said "do you understand" <-- I won't go into that.

So.

KNOWING that GOD exists, where we witness the most awful things happening to humans around the world, I feel it unlikely, that their suffering is at the level of Christs. (* the worst story I have ever witnessed from MrBallen was that of a woman that poured acid over her former lover - never have I seen such an evil act and the consequences - thus am puzzled where it comes to GOD - perhaps the what remained of the man was an NPC!! crazy consideration, but plausible in account of what I have witnessed within reality.)

[Age]

On or Off.

1's and 0's

Is atto's theory of God.

Fairy agrees with atto's theory.

Will you PLEASE EXPLAIN TO 'the readers', here, what even IS the so-called ' "attofishpi's" theory of God', EXACTLY? '.

If no, then WHY NOT?

'I', FOR One, are ABSOLUTELY CURIOUS AS TO what 'it' is, EXACTLY, which 'you' are, supposedly, AGREEING WITH, here.

I am resonating more than agreeing with atto theory….here >
viewtopic.php?p=683085&hilit=Simulation+theory#p683085

On closer inspection I’m not really sure if atto is sure reality is a simulation tbh. Also atto mentioned’Dark Matter’ could be God.

BACK THEN "attofishpi" thought or BELIEVE that God, itself, was just 'artificial intelligence', itself. Which PUT God as some thing, for lack of a better word, 'LESS' than what you human beings HAVE.

But you’ll have to talk to atto directly and seek clarification if you are really curious.

LOL I ALREADY KNOW, EXACTLY, which PARTS OF "attofishpi's" VIEWS and BELIEFS ALIGN, PERFECTLY, WITH the ACTUAL and ONLY God, Itself, AND which PARTS DO NOT.

Now, 'you' CLAIMED you AGREED WITH some so-called "attofishpi's theory of God". So, I just WANTED 'you' TO PRESENT what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, which you WERE/ARE AGREEING WITH. If you are UNABLE TO DO 'this', then so be it.

Personally, I’ve pondered the simulation theory for a long time.

And, as I have POINTED OUT A FEW TIMES, here, in this forum ALREADY, it would NOT MATTER ONE SINGLE IOTA IF you human beings were IN A 'simulation' OR NOT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY there IS something ELSE ABOVE, BEYOND, or OUTSIDE of the very one/thing, which CREATED, or CAUSED, 'the simulation'. AND, what 'It' IS, EXACTLY, which IS OUTSIDE OF, ABOVE, NOT A PART OF, AND BEYOND 'that one/thing' IS, ONCE AGAIN, the Universe, Itself, which AS ALWAYS, and IRREFUTABLY, IS INFINITE, and ETERNAL.

I never really engaged much with atto because I was too entangled in my own ideas pertaining to the nondual nature of reality.

Which is ANOTHER THING that I HAVE BEEN POINTING OUT, and HIGHLIGHTING, here. That is; WHEN you human beings HAVE A PRESUMPTION or A BELIEF ABOUT some thing being true, then you are NOT OPEN TO ANY thing ELSE CONVERSELY NOR OPPOSING that BELIEF.

AND, as I HAVE ALSO SHOWN and PROVED ABSOLUTELY True, A FEW TIMES, ALREADY, here, in this forum, it does NOT MATTER AT ALL even IF one HAS 'IRREFUTABLE PROOF', ITSELF, and 'THAT PROOF" IS BEING SHOWN, while one HAS and/or IS HOLDING ONTO AN OPPOSING BELIEF, 'they' are, LITERALLY, NOT ABLE TO SEE and HEAR what IS BEFORE 'them'. Whilst one IS BELIEVING some thing, they ARE COMPLETELY BLIND, DEAF, CLOSED, and JUST TO STUPID TO even JUST SEE and/or HEAR the ACTUAL Truth, or the ACTUAL PROOF, ITSELF.

And another reason I didn’t engage with atto much was because he was always being horrible to me.

Were you ever so-called 'horrible' to "attofishpi", as well?

But anyway, I’ve matured enough to look beyond personalities, rise above ridicule and just concentrate on what people have to say about God.

Again, you are, more or less, contradicting what you were just saying about it does not matter whatever anyone says ABOUT God. So, 'why now' 'concentrate'?

That’s all I care about these days.

Do you not have HAVE ANY 'care' AT ALL ABOUT the ACTUAL Truth/s OF and ABOUT God, Itself, and/or the ACTUAL PROOF that IS ALREADY EXISTING FOR God, Itself?

[Fairy]

I agree there’s an intelligence operating below the Planck scale , it’s subtle and not everyone dives that deep.

It seems most people live in the shallows that is atomic life.


We have had similar life experiences atto, and are probably walking the same path to God realisation.

Sure. But I am certain you have not experienced the 3 month stints in HELL that GOD put me through whenever I was fool enough to return to the tree of Know_Ledge: https://www.androcies.com/Images/Art/Tr ... wledge.jpg

Maybe I have experienced stints of hell. Why do you assume otherwise. In fact I recently suffered 5 years of hell, due to an injury to my leg. I’m recovered now but it seemed like the journey to wellness emotionally and physically lasted forever, but I never gave up hope that I would one day be able to walk without excruciating pain ever again. I’m walking fine now.

[Age]

Words cast spells that's why they call it spell-ing


Do you ever question? the quest-you-are-on?


Intimacy - Into - Me - U - See?


Listen and Silent are spelled with the same letters


EARTH the first three letters are EAR and the three middle letters are ART and Earth without Art is just Eh... Yet going even deeper than that if you remove the H and put it in the front it creates the word HEART...

And they've always told us... the Key to Life on Earth is to Listen to the Heart

BUT, the 'heart' pumps blood ONLY.

However, what IS AT 'the center' OF Everything IS WORTH LISTENING TO, and WORTHY ACTUALLY HEARING.

Also, the QUICKER one is ABLE TO RECOGNIZE and SEEING the 'SIGNALS', WITH-IN 'words', themselves, then that IS A SURE 'SIGN' that 'you' HAVE CHANGED, and ARE 'now' OPENING up MORE, and are, at least, HEADING TOWARD the MORE True, and Right, PATH, and T.R.A.C.K, IN Life.

ONCE you have, ALSO, OBTAINED and GAINED the True, Right, Accurate, and Correct Knowledge, then you ALSO have the KNOW-HOW of HOW TO STAY ON the One and ONLY REAL TRACK, in Life.

[attofishpi]

I agree there’s an intelligence operating below the Planck scale , it’s subtle and not everyone dives that deep.

It seems most people live in the shallows that is atomic life.


We have had similar life experiences atto, and are probably walking the same path to God realisation.

Sure. But I am certain you have not experienced the 3 month stints in HELL that GOD put me through whenever I was fool enough to return to the tree of Know_Ledge: https://www.androcies.com/Images/Art/Tr ... wledge.jpg

Maybe I have experienced stints of hell. Why do you assume otherwise. In fact I recently suffered 5 years of hell, due to an injury to my leg. I’m recovered now but it seemed like the journey to wellness emotionally and physically lasted forever, but I never gave up hope that I would one day be able to walk without excruciating pain ever again. I’m walking fine now.

Honestly Fairy, I could not even start to explain the differences. The Day of Reckoning for example is something to behold..I never want to return there - the power this GOD entity has over my synapses such that THE MOST EVIL thoughts can be driven into my consciousness --- well ---- I shudder even attempting to consider it again.

I wrote a poem that might shed a VERY LITTLE light upon the subject:-

Basically, GOD makes you feel that at ANY moment you are about to BURN IN HELL FOREVER.

DAY OF RECKONING

Two days of reckoning
I have felt
was it God's consciousness
that then I was dealt?
Feeling the chaos
the synapses switching
the heat of the Sun
and I'm just a son
why upon me
why should I see
the sea of the ocean
is in complete retreat
all of my knowledge
force fed to my pledge
my toes curling
over my soles near edge
the furnace burning
upon each thought is fraught
with the insatiable knowing
from which I was taught
for what I did
I must pay
too late to pray
I am the universe's prey
each thought twisted
upon itself
and I feel my flesh
no longer my self
but what does it matter
that is all I am
is my soul an ION
am I the ram
the beast
now fleeced
what did I pose
to this
far too many
QUEST_IONs
a bliss amiss
don't eat from the tree
or suck it and see
you'll be the sap
fool into its trap
where is my Christ
He doesn't help mice
that look down and wander
attempt to look up
and wonder
Y?


www.androcies.com

[Fairy]

AGE: wrote:

And, as I have POINTED OUT A FEW TIMES, here, in this forum ALREADY, it would NOT MATTER ONE SINGLE IOTA IF you human beings were IN A 'simulation' OR NOT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY there IS something ELSE ABOVE, BEYOND, or OUTSIDE of the very one/thing, which CREATED, or CAUSED, 'the simulation'. AND, what 'It' IS, EXACTLY, which IS OUTSIDE OF, ABOVE, NOT A PART OF, AND BEYOND 'that one/thing' IS, ONCE AGAIN, the Universe, Itself, which AS ALWAYS, and IRREFUTABLY, IS INFINITE, and ETERNAL.

I intuitively understand that our experience of say touching a table, or smelling the sweet fragrance of a rose, is not a sensation that is in the table or the rose, nor are these sensations in the body. But that there is something else that is beyond the limitations of bodies and minds of space-time experiencing. And that something else is the universe itself, which as always and irrefutably is infinite and eternal.

I agree Age.

[Fairy]

I agree atto, the feeding from the tree of knowledge is a trap, binding one to ego, away from the true self which is God.

I trust only in Gods silence, that speaks to me more deeply than the tree of knowledge.

[Belinda]

Attofishpi, you say *the other scatterbrains ----in our midst". To be sure there are those. If the scatterbrains were more able at precise use of English they would be able to focus better.

You however, one does not know you are a scatterbrain or not, as your focus on standard English spelling amounts to obsession. I tried to sort out your thinking by referring you to the history of standard spelling and you took no notice

I am very capable of conversing in good structured English with grammar and spelling intact. You are overlooking the reasons that I choose not to when attempting to discuss things of the nature that I am attempting to highlight to people.

Why don't you real eyes this? <--- see, I did it there!

Do you think God sends you secret messages via standard spelling?

(*again, not me - everyone and they're not secret)

Using the term spelling is another attempt to deflect from the entire point I am making. It goes a lot deeper than mere spelling of words, it's words being broken down structurally and into phonetic sounds, homophones, word reversals etc..

Why are you so insistent on detracting from the argument I am making?

I am no longer interested. You refuse to stand informed of a fact that does not fit your theory.

[attofishpi]

Attofishpi, you say *the other scatterbrains ----in our midst". To be sure there are those. If the scatterbrains were more able at precise use of English they would be able to focus better.

You however, one does not know you are a scatterbrain or not, as your focus on standard English spelling amounts to obsession. I tried to sort out your thinking by referring you to the history of standard spelling and you took no notice

I am very capable of conversing in good structured English with grammar and spelling intact. You are overlooking the reasons that I choose not to when attempting to discuss things of the nature that I am attempting to highlight to people.

Why don't you real eyes this? <--- see, I did it there!

Do you think God sends you secret messages via standard spelling?

(*again, not me - everyone and they're not secret)

Using the term spelling is another attempt to deflect from the entire point I am making. It goes a lot deeper than mere spelling of words, it's words being broken down structurally and into phonetic sounds, homophones, word reversals etc..

Why are you so insistent on detracting from the argument I am making?

I am no longer interested. You refuse to stand informed of a fact that does not fit your theory.

You are no longer interested because you finally are comprehending the point I am making regarding there being CUMALATIVE evidence where logical connections are made, discounting your argument that only natural language etymology has occurred.

The fact is, you need to save face.

[Age]

I am resonating more than agreeing with atto theory….here >
viewtopic.php?p=683085&hilit=Simulation+theory#p683085

On closer inspection I’m not really sure if atto is sure reality is a simulation tbh. Also atto mentioned’Dark Matter’ could be God.

But you’ll have to talk to atto directly and seek clarification if you are really curious.

Personally, I’ve pondered the simulation theory for a long time.

Wow, I forgot about that thread. I do explain my reasoning that I believe we are in the primary, not simulated reality mostly because of my belief in the life of Christ (* I can't see some AI simulation programmer deciding to pop into the simulation to sacrifice his nerdy self )

I never really engaged much with atto because I was too entangled in my own ideas pertaining to the nondual nature of reality. And another reason I didn’t engage with atto much was because he was always being horrible to me.

Yes, one of the traits of mine that I continually attempt to abate. Lacewing in particular used to bring out the worst in me,

ONCE AGAIN, 'this one' IS SHOWING and PROVING that it, STILL, HAS A LONG WAY TO GO, BEFORE it Truly 'grows up' and/or 'MATURES'.

ONLY CHILDREN ALLOW 'others' TO CONTROL them or TO HAVE CONTROL OVER them. And, this is JUST BECAUSE 'they' HAVE TO.

because she made so many assumptions and ad hominem attacks without actually applying much intellectual analysis to what I was stating.

So, 'this one' CAN BE CONTROLLED even EASIER and SIMPLER than it first appeared.

FYI - and for any others - since I am an analyst, I attempt to base my more favoured conclusions without stating ITS THIS!

Thus, since 1997 this is where I am arguing from in relation to GOD based on my analysis of experiences of GOD and its omnipotence over my reality:

1. GOD is divine, we are living in a reality where this intelligence operates from below the Planck scale and possibly uses tech akin to AI -- for ultimate karmic judgment etc..

1. Claiming that God is divine is NOTHING new, and NOTHING AT ALL even exciting.

2. I would HOPE that you claim that 'we are living in a reality'. If you were claiming the opposite, then you would be seriously need of IMMEDIATE HELP.

3. WHAT 'intelligence'?

4. If 'this intelligence' operates from below some so-called 'plank scale', then that ESSENTIALLY MEANS 'this intelligence' operates from EVERY scale and NOT just as some human being made up conceptualized ONLY 'separated scale'.

5. And, 'possibly' uses ....'. The so-called 'this intelligence' has been operating, FOREVER, ON EVERY thing.

6. BELIEVING that 'karma' is in regards to 'individuals', SHOWS and PROVES just HOW SELFISH and GREEDY 'this one' REALLY IS.

OR

2. "GOD" is AI OS, that we have evolved into a simulation where this intelligence operates from below the Planck scale and is capable of ultimate karmic judgment etc..(*as to who has the right to reincarnate as human through time based on their life decisions - i don't think child murdering rapist get much beyond incarnation as the beast hence 666)

LOL
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'This one' ACTUALLY BELIEVES that God, Itself, KEEPS ON RE-INCARNATING 'the devil' and/or 'the beast'. LOL 'this one' continually KEEPS MISSING THE MARK, and KEEPS MISSING its OWN COMPLETE ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTIONS, and/or INCONSISTENCIES.

I believe in 1, mostly because of Christ - AND - the level of suffering I personally endured via the wrath of GOD and my faith in Christ was required to get out of HELL.

1. you have NOT YET REALLY ACTUALLY 'suffered' "attofishpi".

2. you BELIEVING what you DO, here, EXPLAINS WHY you SEE ABSOLUTE DISTORTIONS and DELUSIONS.

[Age]

I agree there’s an intelligence operating below the Planck scale , it’s subtle and not everyone dives that deep.

If ANY one 'dived' ANY depth, then they would have ALREADY WORKED OUT the words, 'God IS WITHIN', just MEANS that God IS ABSOLUTELY EVERYWHERE.

So, if you and/or "attofishpi" had just DIVED ANY DEPTH, then you would ALREADY KNOW that God does NOT JUST 'operate' AT that one and only TINY PLACE, ONLY.

It seems most people live in the shallows that is atomic life.

you SPEAK as THOUGH you and/or "attofishpi" DO NOT

We have had similar life experiences atto, and are probably walking the same path to God realisation.

LOL
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What ARE the, SUPPOSED, so-claimed 'similar life experiences', here, EXACTLY?

you two are just AS EQUALLY FAR FROM REALIZING who AND what God ACTUALLY IS, EXACTLY, as EVERY other of you human beings ARE, in the days when this is being written.

God is more or less relatively NOTHING like what you two PRESUME and/or BELIEVE God IS.

[Age]

I don’t drink alcohol though, don’t smoke cigarettes, and have never taken psychedelics or even tried weed.

I’m clean, and I’m self realised

Claiming to be so-called 'self realized' implies that 'that one' HAS 'realized' who and what the 'self' IS. So, who and what IS the 'self', EXACTLY, "fairy"?

through immense suffering,

AND, you HAVE 'suffered' REAL SUFFERING, "fairy". Unlike "attofishpi".

so I am thankful to have suffered for that lead me back to God, who waited for my return patiently.

you SPEAK as though God could NOT, nor WOULD NOT, BE JUST WAITING, PATIENTLY, ALWAYS.