Assisted suicide

[LuckyR]

Those against assisted suicide like to imply that death can be avoided, when everyone who thinks about it for a moment knows it is inevitable.

But, 'death' in 'the way' you people envision or imagine it is NOT inevitable, AT ALL.

Thus the issue isn't life vs death, rather it's death at time #1 vs at time #2. Doesn't seem like the OP's friend didn't change the time much. Everyone else (including the government) should just butt out.

What happens if 'the partner' was 'convincing' 'that one' 'to go' earlier, so that they could 'get' some thing earlier?

Should ANY one or A government so-call 'butt in', 'then'?

In regards to your first paragraph: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'm waiting. (and until provided, ignoring your comment).

I'm prepared to address your second comment, please clarify what you mean, exactly.

[commonsense]

As there is no God who can prevent one from committing suicide, I conclude that each person‘s life is his own.

As such, it is a person‘s prerogative to decide whether to commit suicide or not. It is also a person’s prerogative whether,to assist with suicide or not.

[attofishpi]

As there is no God who can prevent one from committing suicide, I conclude that each person‘s life is his own.

As such, it is a person‘s prerogative to decide whether to commit suicide or not. It is also a person’s prerogative whether,to assist with suicide or not.

I totally agree.

In fact, it was GOD that drove me to suicide way back in 2003 when IT had me in HELL yet again after foolishly consuming the fruit of the Tree of Know_Ledge (of good and evil)

https://www.androcies.com/Images/Art/Tr ... wledge.jpg

The next morning I awoke in bed, feeling fine. The car (my Hyundai - hi un die! ) I found had rolled down and crashed into the shed - still with the tubes from the exhaust to the wound up windows. The empty packet of stilnox on the passenger seat as was the empty bottle of wine.

So.

I gave GOD the best chance to finish me off without doing it the physical way - I'd use an angle-grinder to the jugular in my throat if I wanted to be certain of it.

When I climbed out of bed I felt great. I remembered some voices stating "he'll wake the neighbours"..wasn't sure what that was about - until I couldn't find the remote control to my mega blasting stereo system!! Eventually I found the remote control at the bottom of the garden..lmao, maybe one of the sages popped over that threw it there.

*maybe I was resurrected into my bed

[Walker]

Fortunately you didn't have any assistance, or if you did they were incompetent.

In Christianity, isn’t suicide a sin that barricades Heaven's gate?

That's a big sin.

Why is suicide a sin?

Why is suicide such a sin if everyone's life is their own, to do with as they please?

If you're not Christian or don't believe in god, then what do you suppose?

[commonsense]

Fortunately you didn't have any assistance, or if you did they were incompetent.

In Christianity, isn’t suicide a sin that barricades Heaven's gate?

That's a big sin.

Why is suicide a sin?

Why is suicide such a sin if everyone's life is their own, to do with as they please?

If you're not Christian or don't believe in god, then what do you suppose?

If there is a god and you destroy something of hers, that would be a big sin. But only if you believe in sin. And god.

[Age]

Those against assisted suicide like to imply that death can be avoided, when everyone who thinks about it for a moment knows it is inevitable.

But, 'death' in 'the way' you people envision or imagine it is NOT inevitable, AT ALL.

Thus the issue isn't life vs death, rather it's death at time #1 vs at time #2. Doesn't seem like the OP's friend didn't change the time much. Everyone else (including the government) should just butt out.

What happens if 'the partner' was 'convincing' 'that one' 'to go' earlier, so that they could 'get' some thing earlier?

Should ANY one or A government so-call 'butt in', 'then'?

In regards to your first paragraph: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'm waiting. (and until provided, ignoring your comment).

If you ACCEPT things based on 'evidence' ALONE, then this EXPLAINS WHY people like "yourself" are STILL LOOKING FOR and SEEKING Truth and/or ANSWERS.

If by, 'In regards to your first paragraph', words, you are referring to just 'my sentence',
'But, 'death' in 'the way' you people envision or imagine it is NOT inevitable, AT ALL.'

Then,

1. To me there is absolutely NOTING so-called 'extraordinary', here, AT ALL.

2. What even is so-called 'extraordinary evidence', EXACTLY?

3. If you are REALLY WAITING FOR 'extraordinary evidence', then WHY have you NEVER ASKED FOR ANY, AT ALL?

Now,

1. I do NOT DO 'evidence', extraordinary NOR ordinary.

2. If you, REALLY, would like some thing CLARIFIED, EXPLAINED, and/or PROVED, TO and/or FOR you, then I suggest you JUST ASK FOR 'such'.

3. AGAIN, I STAND BY EVERY word I SAY and WRITE, here, and I WAIT, PATIENTLY, FOR 'those' who SHOW CURIOSITY and/or INTEREST.

By the way, and ONCE MORE,

1. What visible physical human bodies are made up of do NOT 'decease', NOR 'die', it just CHANGES in shape and/or form.

2. What people are made up of although STOP existing in a human body that is NOT breathing/pumping blood anymore, they also do NOT 'decease', NOR 'die', as they LIVE ON in other breathing/blood pumping human bodies.

3. 'you', and what 'the human bodies', which 'you' all were living in, HAVE DONE, leaves an everlasting effect.

4. Which MEANS that 'you', human beings, do NOT 'die', and so 'death', in 'the way' you people envision or imagine it, is NOT inevitable, AT ALL.

I'm prepared to address your second comment, please clarify what you mean, exactly.

Why CLAIM that you ARE PREPARED TO ADDRESS some 'thing', when you do NOT YET KNOW 'the meaning' OF?

After all and obviously AFTER you HEAR or SEE 'the meaning', there may well be NOTHING TO address.

It appears that, at the moment, you have some sort of PRESUMPTION OF what 'the meaning' COULD BE.

If by, 'your second comment', words, you are referring to,

What happens if 'the partner' was 'convincing' 'that one' 'to go' earlier, so that they could 'get' some thing earlier? And, or

Should ANY one or A government so-call 'butt in', 'then'?

Then, they are NOT comments. They are QUESTIONS, ASKED FOR CLARITY SAKE.

And, what I MEAN, EXACTLY, by those two CLARIFYING QUESTIONS IS, If a person is CONVINCING another to 'commit suicide' BEFORE they are REALLY READY and WANTING TO, then SHOULD ABSOLUTELY ANY one be ABLE TO 'step in or but in'?

[Walker]

If there is a god and you destroy something of hers, that would be a big sin. But only if you believe in sin. And god.

Why do you suppose that is?

[commonsense]

As there is no God who can prevent one from committing suicide, I conclude that each person‘s life is his own.

As such, it is a person‘s prerogative to decide whether to commit suicide or not. It is also a person’s prerogative whether,to assist with suicide or not.

I totally agree.

In fact, it was GOD that drove me to suicide way back in 2003 when IT had me in HELL yet again after foolishly consuming the fruit of the Tree of Know_Ledge (of good and evil)

https://www.androcies.com/Images/Art/Tr ... wledge.jpg

The next morning I awoke in bed, feeling fine. The car (my Hyundai - hi un die! ) I found had rolled down and crashed into the shed - still with the tubes from the exhaust to the wound up windows. The empty packet of stilnox on the passenger seat as was the empty bottle of wine.

So.

I gave GOD the best chance to finish me off without doing it the physical way - I'd use an angle-grinder to the jugular in my throat if I wanted to be certain of it.

When I climbed out of bed I felt great. I remembered some voices stating "he'll wake the neighbours"..wasn't sure what that was about - until I couldn't find the remote control to my mega blasting stereo system!! Eventually I found the remote control at the bottom of the garden..lmao, maybe one of the sages popped over that threw it there.

*maybe I was resurrected into my bed

I’m at a loss for words, Atto, except to say that I am fortunate to encounter your thoughts here.

[Walker]

I’m at a loss for words, Atto, except to say that I am fortunate to encounter your thoughts here.

It would help the rest of us to understand if you explained why.

[Walker]

Whether or not one is a Christian, or one believes in God, it’s all how one interprets what it means to assist someone who intends suicide.

The proper way is with life as the measure, and how far that life extends.

I would say that the humanitarian duty for those living in the human realm is the duty to life, because life is the measure of all things. In a civilized society the duty to life has limitations but whatever is done is still measured against life in the here and now, not necessarily in the there and maybe. Therefore as a human being, one has a duty to life as a principle, even if one may not feel a duty to the personality housing a life. As a hell being, or a hungry ghost, or an animal (labels one can take figuratively if not literally), there is no such duty. However, due to the limitations in civilized, non-totalitarian free society where the government does not dictate life and death, persuasion in the form of offering alternative views is the way, and there’s all kinds of persuasions, from money to hope to religion, and so on. Quality of life is certainly a factor.

I would say the Christian reason that suicide is a sin, is because you don’t own your life, God owns your life. Therefore God will take your life when God decides. This would make Life the limit of free will, thus the measure of free will.

However not being a theologian myself, this observation is likely ripe for some commentary.

[attofishpi]

I would say the Christian reason that suicide is a sin, is because you don’t own your life, God owns your life. Therefore God will take your life when God decides. This would make Life the limit of free will, thus the measure of free will.

Fuck GOD regarding any ownership of my body. Ultimately, IT (GOD) has control over what happens to my soul - woteva that it - but certainly, if God's design and/or manufacturing process is so flawed as to cause the suffering to the poor lady that is the reason for this thread, then again fuck GOD for fucking up - she had every right to terminate her suffering.

* Where in the Bible is it stated that to commit suicide is a sin?

[attofishpi]

As there is no God who can prevent one from committing suicide, I conclude that each person‘s life is his own.

As such, it is a person‘s prerogative to decide whether to commit suicide or not. It is also a person’s prerogative whether,to assist with suicide or not.

I totally agree.

In fact, it was GOD that drove me to suicide way back in 2003 when IT had me in HELL yet again after foolishly consuming the fruit of the Tree of Know_Ledge (of good and evil)

https://www.androcies.com/Images/Art/Tr ... wledge.jpg

The next morning I awoke in bed, feeling fine. The car (my Hyundai - hi un die! ) I found had rolled down and crashed into the shed - still with the tubes from the exhaust to the wound up windows. The empty packet of stilnox on the passenger seat as was the empty bottle of wine.

So.

I gave GOD the best chance to finish me off without doing it the physical way - I'd use an angle-grinder to the jugular in my throat if I wanted to be certain of it.

When I climbed out of bed I felt great. I remembered some voices stating "he'll wake the neighbours"..wasn't sure what that was about - until I couldn't find the remote control to my mega blasting stereo system!! Eventually I found the remote control at the bottom of the garden..lmao, maybe one of the sages popped over that threw it there.

*maybe I was resurrected into my bed

I’m at a loss for words, Atto, except to say that I am fortunate to encounter your thoughts here.

Thank you commonsense and I am glad you are posting again. I know you have had trauma I could not begin to imagine, so...I guess we both understand something about life and it's more dire side.

[Walker]

* Where in the Bible is it stated that to commit suicide is a sin?

Beats me. Does it?

[attofishpi]

* Where in the Bible is it stated that to commit suicide is a sin?

Beats me. Does it?

No I don't think it does. I could find out within a quick online search that would take less time than typing this, but alas, I don't care enough.

[Walker]

Catholic cemeteries don't accept suicides, at least not without some lax standards or special dispensation. It that because suicide is not a sin?