Assisted suicide

[Walker]

It does sound awful.

But maybe there are more questions.

1. We have one life...what does it mean to give up any moment of it?

A: It would mean a presumption that awareness ends because animating life leaves the body, whereas the possibility exists that awareness transfers to a form that is currently undetectable due to sensory limitations. The transfer to another form would necessarily be outside of time.

Because life is all we can ever know, then life is all we ever knew, or ever will know, which means for humans life is all there is. This places life outside of time because “nothingness,” defies the identity-dependent imagination that considers nothingness. This reveals non-existence to be merely a paradoxical, intellectual conjecture that requires life while attempting to presume the absence of life.

[Immanuel Can]

One famously kindly Catholic priest.(I forget the name) was asked if he believed in hell. "I believe in it, because that is the dogma of yhe church, but I don't think anyone is in it."

Did he ever find out if he was right?

[Immanuel Can]

By "one life" are you suggesting one lifetime? You can't possibly know that.

I think we can. Science tells us the system we're living in is entropic, so it's not going to last forever. And we do not see any unambiguous evidence of people having more than one life, so we have no reason at all to suppose it.

..so there is no life for you in heaven?

And was Jesus wrong in stating that those that believe in him will never see death?

It's talking about one earthly life, of course. If there were no afterlife, neither could there be the Judgment.

The person within the living body.

Why? We neither created ourselves, nor can we determine our lifespan, nor can we even guarantee most of its conditions. What secures to you that you own anything?

GOD created me, I own my body, once it's dead GOD can deal with my soul...no issue.

Why would one assume the second clause was true? What gives one such "ownership"?

[Immanuel Can]

It does sound awful.

But maybe there are more questions.

1. We have one life...what does it mean to give up any moment of it?

A: It would mean a presumption that awareness ends because animating life leaves the body, whereas the possibility exists that awareness transfers to a form that is currently undetectable due to sensory limitations. The transfer to another form would necessarily be outside of time.

Okay, but that's not quite what I'm trying to ask. I'm trying to ask what is the basis for giving up even a second of the one life that one has on this earth: is what is being given up something worthless, or something of inestimable value?

How do we rightly estimate the actual value of a single moment of life?

[Walker]

It does sound awful.

But maybe there are more questions.

1. We have one life...what does it mean to give up any moment of it?

A: It would mean a presumption that awareness ends because animating life leaves the body, whereas the possibility exists that awareness transfers to a form that is currently undetectable due to sensory limitations. The transfer to another form would necessarily be outside of time.

Okay, but that's not quite what I'm trying to ask. I'm trying to ask what is the basis for giving up even a second of the one life that one has on this earth: is what is being given up something worthless, or something of inestimable value?

How do we rightly estimate the actual value of a single moment of life?

Life is the measure of all things. Life is the measure of the actual value of a single moment of life. When life moves on the value found in the remains is to either be reabsorbed in the ecosystem, or released all at once into the atmosphere as ashes and elemental gases. Those with government power who are ostensibly fearful of climate-abuse could find value for the government, by slapping a hefty tax and fines on cremations that pollute the atmosphere rather than recycle through the ecosystem for the benefit of other life forms, a carbon-pollution upon pristine mother earth that never would have happened if not for the existence of humans.

If the government keeps getting involved then eventually death will no longer be affordable.

[Immanuel Can]

A: It would mean a presumption that awareness ends because animating life leaves the body, whereas the possibility exists that awareness transfers to a form that is currently undetectable due to sensory limitations. The transfer to another form would necessarily be outside of time.

Okay, but that's not quite what I'm trying to ask. I'm trying to ask what is the basis for giving up even a second of the one life that one has on this earth: is what is being given up something worthless, or something of inestimable value?

How do we rightly estimate the actual value of a single moment of life?

Life is the measure of all things.

Well, that's a strange claim. How can something contingent and temporary be the "measure" of anything?

[attofishpi]

It’s already a societal virtue to defend one’s country to the death. On behalf of society, individuals already say to soldiers who take the risk, “Thank you for your service.”

With effective messaging, when state assisted suicide becomes state approved suicide, the acknowledgment of societal virtue could become, “Thank you for your suicide,” thus changing insult into compliment.

SUICIDE?

It works both ways legally via the "state"..

So currently the state is saying: “Thank you for your pain & suffering, keep enjoying the ride it's likely to get far worse” thus changing compassion into sadistic kuntfuckery.

[attofishpi]

I think we can. Science tells us the system we're living in is entropic, so it's not going to last forever. And we do not see any unambiguous evidence of people having more than one life, so we have no reason at all to suppose it.

..so there is no life for you in heaven?

And was Jesus wrong in stating that those that believe in him will never see death?

It's talking about one earthly life, of course.

The KEY problem you and all fund_a_mental_lists have, is that Christ was rarely impressed with the faith and level of discernment of those around him, thus, the stuff they decided to place within "holy" scripture is likely to be rather inaccurate.

If there were no afterlife, neither could there be the Judgment.

Of course there can. GOD has been judging me for quite some time and indeed, reacting in some rather negative ways on the choices I've made since introducing itself to me since 1997.

[Immanuel Can]

..so there is no life for you in heaven?

And was Jesus wrong in stating that those that believe in him will never see death?

It's talking about one earthly life, of course.

The KEY problem you and all fund_a_mental_lists have, is that Christ was rarely impressed with the faith and level of discernment of those around him, thus, the stuff they decided to place within "holy" scripture is likely to be rather inaccurate.

And yet, Christ Himself insisted "... truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished!" For Him, of course, "the Law" referred to the entire Tanakh. So Christ didn't seem to share your skepticism.

If there were no afterlife, neither could there be the Judgment.

Of course there can. GOD has been judging me for quite some time and indeed, reacting in some rather negative ways on the choices I've made since introducing itself to me since 1997.

To quote an old saying, "We ain't seen nothin' yet."

[Walker]

Well, that's a strange claim. How can something contingent and temporary be the "measure" of anything?

Without life there is no value or measure of anything. When in the desert dying of thirst, a bucket of water is more valuable than a bucket of gold because the worth of each is measured by life.

[Age]

One of my girlfriend's good friends killed herself yesterday. She had Multiple Systems Atrophy, a rare disease that robs one of motor control. She was beginning to have trouble swallowing (she already couldn't move by herself, even in her electric wheel chair). In her state, you have to be able to swallow the legal assisted suicide pills, so her options were:intubate; do nothing and die of thirst; assisted suicide.

This woman was a former triathlete and claimed her life had become torture. Of course it is all sad. Her husband has been her caretaker for 7 years, as the disease slowly robbed her of her mobility. I'm sure he's very sad, but perhaps one reason for his wife's choice was to unburden him.

"Der tod ist gros," wrote Rilke. Death is huge. What do people think of assisted suicide?

I think of 'assisted suicide' as the suicide of "one" 'self' with and by the assistance of 'another'.

What do you think of 'assisted suicide'?

[Age]

One of my girlfriend's good friends killed herself yesterday. She had Multiple Systems Atrophy, a rare disease that robs one of motor control. She was beginning to have trouble swallowing (she already couldn't move by herself, even in her electric wheel chair). In her state, you have to be able to swallow the legal assisted suicide pills, so her options were:intubate; do nothing and die of thirst; assisted suicide.

This woman was a former triathlete and claimed her life had become torture. Of course it is all sad. Her husband has been her caretaker for 7 years, as the disease slowly robbed her of her mobility. I'm sure he's very sad, but perhaps one reason for his wife's choice was to unburden him.

"Der tod ist gros," wrote Rilke. Death is huge. What do people think of assisted suicide?

In those sorts of circumstances I think there's definitely a good argument for it. Sounds like a truly awful situation and I'm very sorry to hear about it.

How could ANY one soundly and validly argue AGAINST the choice of another to commit suicide?

If absolutely ANY one chooses to commit suicide, then does absolutely ANY one else have ANY 'right' to SAY or CLAIM that 'that one' SHOULD NOT?

[Age]

It does sound awful.

But maybe there are more questions.

1. We have one life...what does it mean to give up any moment of it?

It means to 'give up', OBVIOUSLY.

Exactly like when "jesus christ" ALSO 'gave up'.

Do you even KNOW the ANSWER to your QUESTIONS, here, "immanuel can"?

Is there some point for this QUESTION, here?

2. Who owns the life we have?

According TO you, you DO.

Which like a LOT OF your other BELIEFS, here, is ALSO an oxymoron and self-contradiction.

3. Who pays the price for our decision?

NO one HAS TO.

What do you ENVISION is 'payment' FOR, EXACTLY?

And, WHY do you adult human beings PUT A 'price' on SO MANY 'invaluable things'?

4. Where do we go when we die?

ONCE MORE, for the SLOW OF LEARNING, here.

The visible human body part, that 'you' are IN, just made up of matter, which OBVIOUSLY just keeps EVOLVING INTO other shapes and forms.

The invisible human being part, which is who 'you' actually ARE, just keeps EXISTING, here, IN this eternal Universe. As 'you' have, literally, been 'PASSED ON'.

AGAIN, ALL of 'this' can be SHOWN, and PROVED, IRREFUTABLY SO, FOR 'those' with ANY REAL and True INTEREST.

Absent answers to these questions, would we be making an informed decision about the end of life?

But there are NO so-called 'absent answers' to these VERY INSIGNIFICANT LITTLE QUESTIONS.

A more PRESENT QUESTION, which you have been absolutely ABSENT IN ANSWERING, and CLARIFYING, is; 'HOW could God, Itself, be SEPARATE FROM the Universe, Itself, and HAVE a PENIS and GONADS?'

Absent answer to this question, would you have ANY reason to ACTUALLY BELIEVE such A 'thing'?

[Age]

It's about PERSONAL CHOICE. The fact that it's religious nuts spreading lies and propaganda with horror stories about hypothetical 'killer children' coercing sweet little grannies into it (it's ALWAYS grannies) only shows how utterly disingenuous and hypocritcal kristians are (as if any normal person needed convincing).

So, to "accelafine" anyway, there has NOT be a 'family member', in the WHOLE of earth, who ANY one HAS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT, who MAY HAVE CONSIDERED "assisting" 'another family member' in an 'earlier' than usual 'death', for the purposes of 'obtaining money'. So, to "accelafine" anyway, there need NOT BE ANY thing CONSIDERED, with ANY 'checks and balances' PUT IN PLACE. BECAUSE it is just about PERSONAL CHOICE, ONLY.

NO WONDER some people WANT TO HELP IN PROTECTING 'others' when there are 'ones' like "accelafine" around.

It's ALWAYS about control with them. They can't get away with saying outright that it's 'murder' so they create imaginery 'murder' scenarios where apparently women 'of a certain age' are completely incapable of making decisions for themselves.

So, ALREADY 'we' HAVE GOT TO 'the religious', 'the men', and so there is just 'the americans' LEFT.

I would also add that if you have children who are all out to murder you then perhaps you might not be the sweetest 'granny' in the world.
Medical advances of this magnitude belong to ALL humans. Witholding it is akin to witholding an absolute cure for cancer or some other horrible disease. I'm sure the religious nuts who are unfortunately still amongst us would spread lies and propaganda about how sharing THAT breakthrough would be a terrible thing too. They can shove their 'suffering is good' crap up their arses. No one's stopping them from suffering as much as they like--just don't try to force it on others.
I can't believe that people actually buy their self-serving propaganda.

Can you BELIEVE that you actually 'buy' your OWN self-serving propaganda?

Or, are you, STILL, completely UNABLE TO RECOGNIZE, and SEE, it?

Euthanasia choice is something that benefits evey single human. Why would anyone NOT want to have that choice if it came down to it? It's not dying that most people fear. It's the process that goes into dying that they are afraid of. That is often horrible and extremely messy. You don't hear these same naysayers spreading lies about pet euthanasia. No decent person would allow their doggy to suffer pointlessly.
The idiot poms protesting about this bill don't need to worry. You have to be practically dead anyway to qualify. All the red tape would ensure that you die before it gets processed, and the frustration would most likely only hasten death (and increase the suffering).
I firmly believe that anyone should qualify once they reach a certain age.

And, what IS 'that age', EXACTLY, "accelafine"?

And, WHY do you WANT those UNDER 'that age'' TO SUFFER? What do you have AGAINST 'them', EXACTLY?

Some people just feel that they've had enough--and who is anyone else to tell them otherwise?

you just got through TELLING 'us' that you WANT TO TELL 'some', OTHERWISE. So, 'you', "accelafine", are ONE OF the 'who' WHO is 'anyone else', here, to 'TRY TO' TELL 'them' otherwise.

Talk about ALSO being 'one' of the HYPOCRITICAL ONES.

What's wrong with wanting to leave your home and assets to your children, without it all being eaten up by a 'life' of torture in a sub-grade 'care' home where you are completely at the mercy of 'care' workers?

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AGAIN, the above is SAID as though 'money', and/or so-called 'possessions', actually has ANY bearing ON or relation TO 'Life' and 'living', themselves.

ONCE MORE, FOR the VERY SLOW OF LEARNING, CONCERNING "yourselves" WITH or ABOUT 'money' and/or 'possessions' is WHY you people, here, when this is being written, ARE LIVING IN 'A Truly VERY SICK, DEMENTED, and UNHEALTHY WORLD'.

That's a horror that lies in wait for the majority of the elderly. That's not 'life'; it's slow, painful death.

[Age]

Death is the most non-binary experience. We can only know life.

But, WHY can 'you', supposedly, ONLY KNOW 'life', while 'we', ALSO, KNOW so-called 'death', AS WELL?

“I shall tell you how my Guru's Guru died. After announcing that his end was nearing, he stopped eating, without changing the routine of his daily life. On the eleventh day, at prayer time he was singing and clapping vigorously and suddenly died! Just like that, between two movements, like a blown out candle. Everybody dies as he lives. I am not afraid of death, because I am not afraid of life. I live a happy life and shall die a happy death. Misery is to be born, not to die. All depends how you look at it.”
- Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj